Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[stickdog99]

Was given 30% chance of 5 year survival and in year 5.

You're already kicking the odds in the ass.

Thank you, Harvey.

Maybe time for that Recipes and How to Cope with the shit storm we are experiencing thread?

Best wishes to you. I try to cope by getting sunlight, cooking food that actually spoils, and staying away from sugar as much as possible. I would add hanging out with good friends and seeing live music, but I have been ostracized by my former friends because they have been brainwashed to think that you get COVID-19 from unclean unvaccinated people. And I haven't been able to make new friends or see live music since none of us unclean unvaccinated are allowed to show our faces in San Francisco.

[MacCruiskeen]

Black Lives Matter, except (of course) when they're the lives of tinfoiled-hatted black covidiots, the selfish bastards. Or maybe they're just too mired in primitive magical thinking to follow TheScience™ when it instructs them to fear those Tiny Invisible Airborne Killer-Dots and bend over for the sacred Prick of Gates.

@stacey_rudin
This is a leading daily in Uganda today. By complying with tyrannical rules like a bunch of cowards, we have given governments license to do horrific things to regular people.

This is on everyone who complies.



https://twitter.com/stacey_rudin/status ... 8731642880

Jailed for breathing without a licence. It's been obvious from the start that it was always going to come to this.


Wear A Fucking Mask. Get The Fucking Jab. Stay the Fuck Home.
.

[stickdog99]

Quite convenient...
Leaving only Anthony Fauci as the lone HIV voice.
https://time.com/3003840/malaysia-airlines-ukraine-crash-top-aids-researchers-killed-aids2014-mh17/

\https://www.icao.int/Meetings/SingaporeSeminar2019/Documents/3_2_Annie_Marie_-_MH17_DEFINITIEF.pdf

Causes of the crash

• The crash of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200
was caused by the detonation of a model 9N314M
warhead, fitted to a 9M38-series missile that was
fired from a Buk surface-to-air missile system.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48691488

From 2019:

Three Russians and a Ukrainian have been charged with bringing a missile into the area in eastern Ukraine and with murdering 298 passengers and crew.

The passenger flight was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down over conflict-hit Ukraine.

Russia said the accusations against its military were "absolutely threadbare".

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2021- ... iMRqO.html

The Joint Investigation Team in the case of the crash of Boeing on flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine rejected the testimony of two witnesses who said they saw the missile launch from the direction of Amvrosievka, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces were stationed at the time.

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/23/netherlan ... estigation

Netherlands won’t deport Russian informants in MH17 investigation

The Netherlands won't deport a Russian couple who gave the judiciary information about the downing of flight MH17, the Volkskrant reports. The couple had exhausted all legal remedies in the Netherlands after three failed asylum applications, but the IND recently granted them asylum after all, according to the newspaper.

In July 2014, the woman accidentally overheard information about who was involved in firing the BUK missile that brought down flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine earlier that same month. Knowing that information brought her and her boyfriend into trouble. They were threatened and assaulted by Russian security agents, according to the newspaper.

They eventually fled to the Netherlands, where they applied for asylum and cooperated with the judiciary in the MH17 investigation.

In the summer, their third asylum application was rejected. The Volkskrant reported that the Netherlands would deport two people who gave important information in the major investigation. Several Dutch intelligence sources then criticized the immigration and naturalization service IND's conduct and raised concerns about what would happen to the couple if they were sent back to Russia. This prompted the IND to reassess their final application, and they were granted refugee status.

http://johnhelmer.net/the-moment-of-tru ... rican-lie/

The US Government told the Dutch Government on April 23, 2021, that it does not trust Dutch judges in the trial of Russians accused of shooting down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.

In a letter that has been kept secret until yesterday, the US Director of National Intelligence (DNI), the State Department and the Department of Justice declared that they were happy to tell Dutch prosecutors that US satellite images proved that a Russian-fired BUK missile destroyed the MH17 in flight above eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014. However, they would not allow the evidence of the satellite images, or the details of the secret DNI briefing of unnamed Dutch government officials on August 23, 2016, from being repeated, tested and verified by the Dutch judges who have been requesting the evidence for several years.

The US officials also said in their letter they rejected all possible alternatives for the Dutch judges to examine the alleged evidence.

According to a statement of the Dutch investigating judge to the presiding trial judge, read out in court on June 7, taking into account “the clear reaction of the American authorities the investigating judge in all reasonableness sees no possibility to indeed further execute this referred request [for the satellite evidence].”
...

Secret records of meetings held by Dutch prosecutors and police with Ukrainian and Australian counterparts have revealed that the Dutch requests for the US satellite evidence began officially in 2015. The US Government promised informally at the time to provide the satellite imagery they claimed to have recorded and viewed just days after the shootdown of MH17.

Then Secretary of State John Kerry announced on July 20, 2014, and again on August 12, 2014, that he had seen US satellite imagery of the attack on the MH17 flight – the launch of a ground-based missile, its flight, and then detonation beside the civilian aircraft in flight. “We picked up the imagery of this launch,” Kerry announced on NBC television just three days after the crash. “We know the trajectory. We know where it came from. We know the timing….And it was exactly at the time that this aircraft [MH17] disappeared from the radar.” ...

A leaked Dutch prosecution document has revealed that by February 12, 2016, no US satellite data had been handed over to the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) of Dutch, Ukrainian and other agents. Seven months later, on September 21, 2016 – another leak from JIT files has disclosed — — the then-head of the MIVD, Major-General Onno Eichelsheim, reported to the Dutch prosecutors that the US and NATO satellite data shown to his agency revealed no Russian BUK missile radar and launch units had crossed the border into Ukraine before or on July 17, 2014; no BUK missile radar targeting or firing on MH17 had been detected; and no identified Russian units on the Russian side of the border had launched missiles.

https://www.promoteukraine.org/ukraine- ... mh17-case/

Ukraine did not know that civil aviation was in danger when a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was shot down over Donbas in July 2014. Accordingly, the Netherlands will not hold Ukraine accountable for its decision not to close airspace over the war zone.

The NU.nl Dutch online newspaper, quoting Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands Stef Blok, reported that there is not enough evidence to hold Ukraine legally responsible for the incomplete closure of airspace, which was confirmed by an independent investigation.

The lower house of the Dutch parliament insisted on an investigation because it wanted to get more information on Ukraine’s role in the MH17 crash. In particular, the MPs asked why the airspace over the conflict zone was not completely closed.

The Flight Safety Foundation’s report notes that “insufficient evidence was found to indicate that the Ukrainian authorities, responsible for the safety of civil aviation in eastern Ukraine at that time, were aware of the threat to civil aviation except for that part of the airspace that had already been closed.”

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/12 ... -foot.html

The Case of Igor Tarakanov Who Shot Down MH17 Before Shooting Himself in the Foot

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According to Ukrainian government sources reported by CNN, Wagnergate was “an elaborate intelligence sting by Ukraine, with the knowledge and alleged support of the United States. According to the Ukrainian intelligence officials, the Ukrainian-led operation got US cash, technical assistance and advice from the CIA on how to draw the Russian mercenaries in. A senior US official told CNN those claims are ‘false.’ He indicated US intelligence was aware of the operation but denied any involvement. The official, who requested anonymity as he was not authorized to speak publicly, suggested efforts to implicate US agencies may be an attempt to share, or even pass, blame for what was a high-risk Ukrainian operation that went wrong. CNN spent weeks in Ukraine, verifying and reviewing accounts of the operation and speaking to the men who were on the inside.”

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This CNN report appeared on September 8, 2021, just days before Bellingcat started broadcasting. CNN made no mention of Tarakanov or of BUK missiles. Nor did the US intelligence or Ukrainian goverrnment sources who briefed CNN mention the MH17 shootdown or trial. “According to CNN’s Ukrainian sources, the failure was a serious blow to Ukrainian intelligence who they say had worked on hooking the Russian suspects for close to 18 months. ‘If these people would have ended up here in Ukraine, the details of their criminal acts would have become known around the world,’ one of the sources told CNN. ‘Ukraine could have brought them to justice and shown that our fight with Russia is serious and that we won’t raise our hands in surrender,’ the source added. ”

Two weeks after CNN, the Wagnergate story resurfaced in the Ukrainian media on September 24, 2021. One of the Bellingcat writers, Christo Grozev (lead image), told a Ukrainian publication that three of the Russian candidates for the fake Venezuela operation “may be involved in the MH17 crash. Two of them boasted themselves that they were at the launch site, but, to be honest, this is not supported by objective data.” Note the subjunctive verb and the disclaimer of evidence.

One of them, according to Grozev, claimed he had “accompanied the convoy with BUKs and in a managerial role was engaged in convoys of these BUKs [note the plural] from the border of Ukraine and Russia to the distribution point in the Lugansk region.”

Igor Tarakanov was making his first appearance. Bellingcat was conceding he hadn’t gone to Belarus with the others; had not been arrested; and apart from his say-so, there was no evidence of his BUK claim. At first, Bellingcat wasn’t giving him his name. That surfaced several weeks later on November 17. According to the new publication, “at least two of the mercenaries claimed to have used sophisticated, Russia-provided anti-aircraft weaponry in and around a location near Snizhne on certain days that might make them useful witnesses in the ongoing MH17 trial. One of the mercenaries had even spoken of having escorted a BUK-TELAR [transporter-erector-launcher-and-radar] across the Russian-Ukrainian border — an anti-aircraft weapon of the same type as of the one that shot down MH17 – in early July 2014.”

This issue totally deserves its own thread. Its appears to me as if US intelligence operatives seized an opportunity to kill off troublesome AIDS researchers and create bullshit recriminations against Russia with one stone.

[stickdog99]

[Joe Hillshoist]

Black Lives Matter, except (of course) when they're the lives of tinfoiled-hatted black covidiots, the selfish bastards. Or maybe they're just too mired in primitive magical thinking to follow TheScience™ when it instructs them to fear those Tiny Invisible Airborne Killer-Dots and bend over for the sacred Prick of Gates.

@stacey_rudin
This is a leading daily in Uganda today. By complying with tyrannical rules like a bunch of cowards, we have given governments license to do horrific things to regular people.

This is on everyone who complies.



https://twitter.com/stacey_rudin/status ... 8731642880

Jailed for breathing without a licence. It's been obvious from the start that it was always going to come to this.


Wear A Fucking Mask. Get The Fucking Jab. Stay the Fuck Home.
.

Uganda FFS.

Itsa country where its illegal for a married couple to go down on each other and they're trying to make homosexuality a capital offense.

[MacCruiskeen]

What fucking point do you imagine you're making, you callous gullible bone-lazy thickwitted complacent flamebaiting smirking snarking LOLing incessantly timewasting stoner?

[MacCruiskeen]

Note how they capitalise "city" but not "police force". L'état, c'est nous, votre force policière.

This is the glorious post-national post-legal cashless digital future the ruling class has planned for everyone everywhere. ("The future is here already, just not evenly distributed.") Dare to get uppity and the global corporate superstate will make you destitute at its leisure, instantly and unstoppably, and everywhere.

[Harvey]

What fucking point do you imagine you're making, you callous gullible bone-lazy thickwitted complacent flamebaiting smirking snarking LOLing incessantly timewasting stoner?

Perhaps he feels he needs to take charge of something.

[MacCruiskeen]

About Boris Johnson and those drinking parties at Number Ten and his "failure to set an example": Not one journalist has pointed out the obvious: Neither he nor any of his guests ever had the slightest fear of any damn virus. They knew it was risible, strictly for the rubes.

The media mercenaries also know the cover story is bullshit, that there is not now and never has been a deadly pandemic.They know that's why the ruling class have been holding parties everywhere, breathing and laughing and eating and drinking freely at Number Ten Downing Street and Royal Ascot and the Met Gala and Barack Obama's birthday party

No masks, no distancing, not a care in the world. None of them was ever the slightest bit worried about any Invisible Flying KIller-Dots.

The toffs didn't get where they are today by believing any old crap.

[drstrangelove]

Pentagon Responds To DoD Whistleblowers' Claim Of Spiking Disease Rates In The Military After COVID Vaccine Mandate
The DoD responded that the DMED (Defense Medical Epidemiology Database) data from 2016 to 2020 that the whistleblowers brought up was erroneous and incomplete, and is currently under review.

“DHA’s Armed Forces Surveillance Division (AFSD) conducted a complete review of the data contained in the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED) and found that the data was incorrect for the years 2016-2020,” Maj. Charlie Dietz, a spokesperson for the DoD, told The Epoch Times.

“DMED is a web-based tool to query de-identified active component personnel and medical event data contained within the Defense Medical Surveillance System (DMSS).

“Comparing the DMED database to the source data contained in DMSS, AFHSD discovered that the total number of medical diagnoses from 2016-2020 that were accessible in DMED represented only a small fraction of actual medical diagnoses for those years. In contrast, the 2021 total number of medical diagnoses were up to date in DMED. Comparison of 2021 to 2016-2020 resulted in the appearance of significant increased occurrence of all medical diagnoses in 2021 because of the under-reported data for 2016-2020. AFHSD has taken DMED offline to identify and correct the root-cause of the data corruption,” Dietz said.

- https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pent ... fter-covid

lol

[Joe Hillshoist]

What fucking point do you imagine you're making, you callous gullible bone-lazy thickwitted complacent flamebaiting smirking snarking LOLing incessantly timewasting stoner?

Triggered much?

The point i'm making is I can see right thru you and your fake outrage.

Why are you linking BLM, which is a response to American cops over policing of black Americans to a fascist Christian regime on the other side of the world?

You use black people as props in your own personal psycho drama but really don't give a fuck about them, you move on to the next thing and they may as well not exist. You're no different to the white American (and in some cases black American) politicians that co opted and defanged the BLM movement.

"Here's some country run by cunts. Look they're sending people to jail for being unvaccinated. If you've ever worn a mask in public or think racism is bad you made this happen!!!"

- MC Ruiskeen

[Joe Hillshoist]

What fucking point do you imagine you're making, you callous gullible bone-lazy thickwitted complacent flamebaiting smirking snarking LOLing incessantly timewasting stoner?

Perhaps he feels he needs to take charge of something.

Wish I could charge Mac for the time I've had to spend reading his shite.

Then I could spend the money on masks more vaccines for babies cannabis lessons on how to be an abusive internet tough guy.

[JackRiddler]

What fucking point do you imagine you're making, you callous gullible bone-lazy thickwitted complacent flamebaiting smirking snarking LOLing incessantly timewasting stoner?

This has no content from you to justify the abuse directed at a single-line post. The post you are reacting to was not abusive to you personally, and it consisted almost entirely of a quote-repetition of your own post. Can't you please just ignore it and not start flamewars without cause? What's the point of bogging down threads with fuck you vs. fuck you? I have no time and little inclination to get involved, but I'm getting complaints. Just go on with your own posts.

[Joe Hillshoist]

What fucking point do you imagine you're making, you callous gullible bone-lazy thickwitted complacent flamebaiting smirking snarking LOLing incessantly timewasting stoner?

This has no content from you to justify the abuse directed at a single-line post. The post you are reacting to was not abusive to you personally, and it consisted almost entirely of a quote-repetition of your own post. Can't you please just ignore it and not start flamewars without cause? What's the point of bogging down threads with fuck you vs. fuck you? I have no time and little inclination to get involved, but I'm getting complaints. Just go on with your own posts.

If people can't handle "fact checking" or someone calling out when stuff is demonstrably not accurate what is the point of this site?

Can we post any old shit now and expect people to take it on face value (like a religious sermon) cos its contradictory to the dominant narrative?

[Belligerent Savant]

If people can't handle "fact checking" or someone calling out when stuff is demonstrably not accurate what is the point of this site?

Can we post any old shit now and expect people to take it on face value (like a religious sermon) cos its contradictory to the dominant narrative?

"demonstrably not accurate" isn't necessarily objectively true because Joe H. says so.

But, let's say you rightly called out certain inaccuracies or, minimally, data points that can't, at the time of writing, be 'proven' to be accurate. Even if you've accomplished this it doesn't mean the 'bigger picture' positions are false or inaccurate.

Let's touch on a few of the broader key issues raised here since the onset of this thread, which the mainstream has recently pivoted to accept (or are approaching broad acceptance):

1. Lockdowns: recent Johns Hopkins study finding lockdowns had little/no benefit, and actually caused harms. A number of us flagged this back in 2020;

2. Masks: CDC recently acknowledged -- after 2 years -- that cloth masks do NOT work; they've pivoted to N95, which also have not been demonstrated to work effectively -- at least not well enough for broad-scale mandates; per the FDA, there are currently no N95 masks constructed for use by children. A number of us flagged the ineffectiveness of masks back in 2020.

3. Vaccines: it is now acknowledged these mRNA products do NOT prevent spread or contagion, and are NOT sterilizing. The claims that they temporarily prevent severe symptoms/death may be true, though much of this depends on how certain figures are presented and interpreted. In time there will be better clarity on this, but in any event, protection is fleeting. It's quite clear these mRNA/viral vector products should NEVER have been mandated, certainly not across all populations with no regard to an individual's risk factor, and without acknowledging natural immunity in lieu of 'vaccination'. Again, a number of us have been calling this out since 2020.

4. Lab-created origins/gain of function research: what was initially identified by the mainstream as blatant "conspiracy theory" -- and aggressively censored* -- is now largely accepted as a probability. The details of this (accidental vs advertent 'leak', etc.) remain in question and will likely never be resolved, but again, this is a topic raised in this thread at the very 1st page.

What's your stance on these points, again?

*one of many verboten topics suppressed and/or censored from open discourse.

I believe -- and correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm applying a broad-brush summary -- you acknowledge a number of issues with covid-related policies enacted by govts but essentially explain them to be byproducts of corruption and/or greed, and that govt/science-based fuckups/instances of govt overreach over the last 2 years were primarily, if not exclusively, driven by a global effort to address and solve a health crisis. To save lives, in other words. You currently do not entertain the notion of other/more nefarious agendas as causes for current circumstances (such as a variation of a depopulation program, or facilitating a push towards a global social credit system/4th industrial revolution, etc).