Suppression/Propaganda in Media

[MacCruiskeen]

Someone please post Rogan's offending "bits" in their full context. (Link or unedited transcript.)

[Joe Hillshoist]

https://www.projectcensored.org/categor ... s-of-2021/

[alloneword]

You probably won't find them, Mac.

That's what stuck me about this business - that somebody expended the time and resources to curate and go through (actually listen to) 10+ years of (some deleted?) podcasts to find these 'outrageous' nuggets, strip them of any context and then lovingly assemble them into a montage. That's not something you'd get done in an afternoon.

Also of note: Previous 'takedown' efforts (here's a fine example of the genre from last December) focused almost exclusively on alleged defects in Rogan's character other than the one they're currently crucifying him for. Unsurprisingly, the vast majority in that list are based on his saying things which are factually and demonstrably true, but conflict with the pandemic narrative.

Now, I'm no fan of the guy - and I can think of 100,000,000 reasons why his interests probably wouldn't align with mine - but it's clear that the main driver for nailing him is his exposure of (or allowing others to expose, buy allowing them the speak uninterrupted) the lies that support the pandemic narrative. That they've had to do it in this way I think says a lot, both about the veracity of the pandemic narrative and about how readily they'll co-op an issue to further their own objectives.

Quite distasteful, really.

[drstrangelove]

That's what stuck me about this business - that somebody expended the time and resources to curate and go through (actually listen to) 10+ years of (some deleted?) podcasts to find these 'outrageous' nuggets, strip them of any context and then lovingly assemble them into a montage. That's not something you'd get done in an afternoon.

Someone fed his archives through audio recognition software.

[alloneword]

Probably true, Dr.S, but in the case of the 'Media Matters' article I linked above:

[Paterson] tells me he listens to the episodes as soon as they come out, on 2X speed, to catch everything Rogan says.

(here)

[Belligerent Savant]

on this thread, and in real life with dealing with Covidianism and its varied oppositions, is the inability of many to see that the vast majority of those who believe in the full Covidian program (or, on the other side, one of its oppositions) are doing so because they actually believe it, for whatever reason, and act on their best intentions. I think they should wise the fuck up! But most of them think they're saving lives, they really do, and we all know it's very hard to go back on something once you believe it, especially if the belief is reinforced by polarization, accusations, and bad faith arguments on both sides. I've been trying to tell you all you're not helping if every two minutes you're calling them fascists, accusing them of worse than the Holocaust, automatically accusing them of being agents, or trying to fit them into some conspiratorial angle. Seems to come reflexively, so now we're looking at how Neil Young must be one of the secret controllers or agent of Pfizer. Why can't you accept that he believes what he's doing is the right thing? It's pretty obvious that he does.

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Yes, and Joni Mitchell has looked at authoritarian censorship from both sides now.

Minor clarification: no one is saying here that Neil Young is a "secret agent" of Pfizer. And yes, of course it remains probable that he had at least some agency in this decision. It's not like we're dealing with a man of pristine ethics or principle here.

http://www.tunesdujour.com/neil-youngs- ... ds-phobia/

“You go to a supermarket and you see a faggot behind the fuckin’ cash register, you don’t want him to handle your potatoes.” – Neil Young in Melody Maker, September 1985

Nothing is being etched in stone by typing words in this thread.

Perhaps Young formed this thought [Re: ultimatum to Spotify] in his addled mind all his own -- and then it was used as a springboard for other agendas. Or any variation thereof.

The larger issues remain, regardless.

This Iowa law school professor seems to have a clear read of it; he shares his perspective after listening to Rogan for the first time as a result of the media frenzy:

@AndyGrewal

Okay, the current hysteria made me download Spotify. I've listened to 30 minutes of the most (?) controversial Rogan episode, with Dr. McCullough.

If this episode is representative, I have absolutely no idea why so many celebrities & coastal elites have lost their minds.

...Rogan's approach is to just ask specific questions and let people speak. Example: "Tell me the people who disagree with your theories. Are they reasonable at all?"

... I think the media hates Rogan because he actually knows how to interview. He asks great questions. His "sin" is letting people respond.

...if this is representative of the Rogan show (I've never listened before), it is utterly insane that the elites want this censored.

Rogan just keeps directly asking questions that most of us, including me, want answers to. That's why, I gather, he gets 11M listeners.

https://twitter.com/AndyGrewal/status/1 ... 9d_mp5aZHA

[Disclosure: I don't have Spotify, nor have I listened to Rogan's show directly, other than when portions of his interviews are posted elsewhere. For example, I've only listened to ~2-3 minutes of his interview with Dr.Malone, but read a transcript of most of it, though as demonstrated here I was already largely familiar with Malone and his viewpoints, so it wasn't on the 'priority' queue of my media intake.]

It's increasingly apparent, by now, that the 'Rogan incident' -- starting with the Neil Young announcement -- has been part of yet another op (as is the case with most things presented in the dominant narratives, particularly in the last ~2 years).

I tend to align with much (but not necessarily all) of the following.

@AstridAlderleaf

The whole JR saga seems staged to me. Fits the “opposition” narrative way too perfectly. I think it was designed to progress this way from the beginning.

-They started saying the resistance is racist immediately. JR confirms this.
-They seem desperate for black people to get the hokey pokey [i.e. 'vaccine'].
-These JR racism montages were lined up and ready to go after the grand finale offending episode. They waited for *that* episode.

I have been saying for years JR is controlled opposition, whether or not he knows it. All famous people are.

The simple fact that they want to draw your attention to JR, whether or not you agree, is a red flag.

My policy is to disregard anything they want me to care about.

Rage Against The Shadows
@shitpost_daddy

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@AstridAlderleaf

Elon Musk, Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. The new holy co-opted trinity.

https://twitter.com/AstridAlderleaf/sta ... 5XOMcZMjdw

[Harvey]

I like what Joe Rogan does. Very much. The fact that he's essentially in hock to Spotify and his work is behind a paywall I like much less. That there are certain places he can't go is fine because the places that he can go easily surpass most media, but perhaps somewhat less so since his Spotify contract.

On the subject of controlled opposition, I'll take an average JR discussion over most other media for the obvious reason that I'm 100% more likely to encounter interesting ideas. Whether I believe everything which comes up for discussion would be a bizarre question to ask because I believe hardly anything. There are things I know but they are relatively few and always subject to revision and refinement. Everything else occupies a space in which everything is provisional and constantly in flux. Some things appear more likely and others less so according to my own experience and knowledge at the time. Nothing is accepted and nothing is rejected without conscious reason.

I'm an artist and so there's relatively little pressure upon me to narrow my view unnecessarily. Perhaps this is why I tend to come to the correct conclusions long before almost everyone else around me, sometimes by decades. All those mired in interminable 'facts', some of which are true, many of which are at best imperfect descriptions of something partially true seem to have to rely on a step by step process of reasoning. I certainly don't disdain 'facts', I just question almost all narratives pertaining to what a particular fact is, how it became considered such, what it means, how it relates to me, to the realm of all other ideas and whether it will continue to be true in light of future evidence.

Joe Rogan is not an obvious demagogue, he is clearly not interested in disinformation for its own sake and likely never will be. All the media dickheads asking why so many people trust Joe Rogan are deliberately asking the wrong question. I don't trust him in the same sense that I don't trust myself. We can both be deceived. I do not have any sense that he wishes to deceive me, but equally I do not trust that he will not. There's nothing he can sell me that I do not already have, except exposure to the range of ideas his guests bring to the discussions he curates. He's just a man with a sense of curiosity and the means to bring interesting people to his door to discuss what interests him and what interests them. Very often those things interest me too.

One thing I am sure of: anyone who wants to shut all that down is a de facto enemy of mine.

[Belligerent Savant]

^^^^

Thanks for this -- very well articulated (you've captured much of my own thought processes on this but with a nuance and insight I wouldn't have been able to properly express in words).

Also:

One thing I am sure of: anyone who wants to shut all that down is a de facto enemy of mine.

Co-sign.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Joe Rogan is not an obvious demagogue, he is clearly not interested in disinformation for its own sake and likely never will be. All the media dickheads asking why so many people trust Joe Rogan are deliberately asking the wrong question. I don't trust him in the same sense that I don't trust myself. We can both be deceived. I do not have any sense that he wishes to deceive me, but equally I do not trust that he will not. There's nothing he can sell me that I do not already have, except exposure to the range of ideas his guests bring to the discussions he curates. He's just a man with a sense of curiosity and the means to bring interesting people to his door to discuss what interests him and what interests them. Very often those things interest me too.

One thing I am sure of: anyone who wants to shut all that down is a de facto enemy of mine.

I don't listen to Rogan but I have friends who do and the bolded bit is what they say is his greatest asset. Those friends have more open minds and more interest in the world around them as a result.

He is also reasonably fit and intelligent and uses weed and psychedelic drugs (probably alot of coke too now that he has shitloads of cash to waste,) and its clear they have resulted in him having an open mind. he is okay as far as critical thinking goes too, he questions what he is told if it doesn't make sense to him.

Yet he constantly cops shit and has for a while, its not just about covid. And its cos he doesn't just blindly accept any old orthodoxy. he asks questions and challenges narratives without being dogmatic about it.

Almost the opposite of what modern social meida promotes.

[stickdog99]

Agreed.

Joe Rogan, for all of his supposed and real faults >>> anything on corporate or even corporatized "public" media today

The reason his audience dwarfs theirs is because he doesn't actively shill for the controlled bullshit establishment (Team Blue vs. Team Red except for everything important to oligarchs on which all teams always agree) narrative 24-7.

[Belligerent Savant]

@primalpoly
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Obviously, the hegemonic media's attacks on @joerogan aren't really aimed at intimidating Joe Rogan.

They're aimed at intimidating YOU.

Joe is just the symbolic sacrifice, to remind everyone that anyone can be silenced, at any time, for any reason, or no reason.

https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1 ... 5XOMcZMjdw


This is why we fight.

That said, Rogan has a huge platform and is getting paid very handsomely for signing an agreement under certain terms. I agree with the 'symbolic sacrifice' part. Many of the rest of us don't have the leverage Rogan has.

[Joe Hillshoist]

My mate who listens to everything he does reckons a key part of his agreement with Spotify was he made the shopws and they published them with no creative or editorial control.

But they are removing all sorts of stuff. Appraently they removed his interview with Maynard j Keenan.

[Belligerent Savant]

[alloneword]

^^

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Here's Dr. John Campbell on the spectacle of facebook/'LeadStories' 'fact checking' the British Medical Journal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMf-Zq7xJcY

[Joe Hillshoist]

^^

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Here's Dr. John Campbell on the spectacle of facebook/'LeadStories' 'fact checking' the British Medical Journal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMf-Zq7xJcY

LOL


I was just coming here to post that.

Its mental.