Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Joe Hillshoist]

Let's touch on a few of the broader key issues raised here since the onset of this thread, which the mainstream has recently pivoted to accept (or are approaching broad acceptance):

1. Lockdowns: recent Johns Hopkins study finding lockdowns had little/no benefit, and actually caused harms. A number of us flagged this back in 2020;

You lot constantly said they didn't prevent infection or death yet what happened here shows they did. But we've gone over this a bit in the last few pages.

Look one issue I have with this is that its in an economics journal, written by economists, but I haven't actually read the John Hopkins thing properly so I'm not gonna comment on it beyond the other issue that really stands out to me. They excluded early lockdowns from the study! WTF??? The whole point of lockdowns is to go early otherwise they are a waste of time.

THis is a massive deal in terms of effectiveness. And frankly if you exclude early lockdowns and go for ongoing pointless lockdowns then I'd be more inclined to miss most of them too. But... you can't dismiss early lockdowns from the discussion because they are the most effective.

2. Masks: CDC recently acknowledged -- after 2 years -- that cloth masks do NOT work; they've pivoted to N95, which also have not been demonstrated to work effectively -- at least not well enough for broad-scale mandates; per the FDA, there are currently no N95 masks constructed for use by children. A number of us flagged the ineffectiveness of masks back in 2020.

In Australia people should have known for years (since mid 2020) that it takes at least 3 ply cloth masks to have any affect and even then its limited and even the best mask is limited by how well fitted it is. But I suspect we have better media here if you listen carefully.

3. Vaccines: it is now acknowledged these mRNA products do NOT prevent spread or contagion, and are NOT sterilizing. The claims that they temporarily prevent severe symptoms/death may be true, though much of this depends on how certain figures are presented and interpreted. In time there will be better clarity on this, but in any event, protection is fleeting. It's quite clear these mRNA/viral vector products should NEVER have been mandated, certainly not across all populations with no regard to an individual's risk factor, and without acknowledging natural immunity in lieu of 'vaccination'. Again, a number of us have been calling this out since 2020.

No it isn't. You're gilding the lily way beyond what it can hold up. Vaccines have much greater levels of side effects than claimed, especially for young men, and are not really effective against the latest variant, Omicron. That's all.

Protection for vaccination and immunity from survivng an infection is almost exactly the same. With all variants. In South Africa where the vaccination numbers were low but natural immunity was high the virus spread as fast thru as many people proportionally.

Before Omicron they both stopped some spread and lowered the risk of infection significantly.

4. Lab-created origins/gain of function research: what was initially identified by the mainstream as blatant "conspiracy theory" -- and aggressively censored* -- is now largely accepted as a probability. The details of this (accidental vs advertent 'leak', etc.) remain in question and will likely never be resolved, but again, this is a topic raised in this thread at the very 1st page.

I posted links to experiments where spike proteins that bind to ACE2 were taken from bat corona viruses and inserted into old SARS in the first half of 2020. Built by people from the Wuhan institute and the Uni of North Carolina working together under funding from gov. sources.

So obviously I think the "lab leak" is bullshit? Fuck, you people are irritating.

I believe -- and correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm applying a broad-brush summary -- you acknowledge a number of issues with covid-related policies enacted by govts but essentially explain them to be byproducts of corruption and/or greed, and that govt/science-based fuckups/instances of govt overreach over the last 2 years were primarily, if not exclusively, driven by a global effort to address and solve a health crisis. To save lives, in other words. You currently do not entertain the notion of other/more nefarious agendas as causes for current circumstances (such as a variation of a depopulation program, or facilitating a push towards a global social credit system/4th industrial revolution, etc).

No.

Like everything I said it was far more nuanced than that but there's not much point repeating myself if you didn't listen the first time.

I posted a video from Prof. Nikolai Petrovski as he documented how difficult it was for a smaller company to get testing approval in Australia against the hurdles put up to satisfy Big Pharma. Its called regulatoiry capture. You lot ignored it or made some patronising comment then several months later one of you posted it in some massive screed about the corporate shenanigans.

Even now you're inflating the things youse got right and ignoring the things you got wrong or pretending they aren't real.

[Harvey]

From the Renz DOD data set... confronting data with more to come.

All health authorities will have data on pulmonary embolism rates for 2021 and should have raised the alarm.

But they haven't.

This is more than 10 standard deviations.
"Never event" level.

https://twitter.com/JikkyKjj/status/1490137383337340928

[drstrangelove]

the anti-lockdown/vaccine movement has become more global than the globalist movement.

[MacCruiskeen]

What fucking point do you imagine you're making, you callous gullible bone-lazy thickwitted complacent flamebaiting smirking snarking LOLing incessantly timewasting stoner?

This has no content from you to justify the abuse directed at a single-line post. The post you are reacting to was not abusive to you personally, and it consisted almost entirely of a quote-repetition of your own post. Can't you please just ignore it and not start flamewars without cause? What's the point of bogging down threads with fuck you vs. fuck you? I have no time and little inclination to get involved, but I'm getting complaints. Just go on with your own posts.

You know damn well I did not start it. I ignore 90% of the timewasting shitstirring LOLing flamebait I'm subjected to by this pea-brained blowhard. There is not one word in my response that wasn't entirely justified by his repeated needling, flamebaiting, and outright abuse in this thread and several others. You have never voiced the slightest objection to any of it.

(I bet you're getting complaints, and I bet I can even name the sneaky syrupy safely-silent spectators from whoomm you've been getting them.)

What fucking point do you imagine you're making, you callous gullible bone-lazy thickwitted complacent flamebaiting smirking snarking LOLing incessantly timewasting stoner?

Triggered much?

The point i'm making is I can see right thru you and your fake outrage.

Why are you linking BLM, which is a response to American cops over policing of black Americans to a fascist Christian regime on the other side of the world?

You use black people as props in your own personal psycho drama but really don't give a fuck about them, you move on to the next thing and they may as well not exist. You're no different to the white American (and in some cases black American) politicians that co opted and defanged the BLM movement.

"Here's some country run by cunts. Look they're sending people to jail for being unvaccinated. If you've ever worn a mask in public or think racism is bad you made this happen!!!"

- MC Ruiskeen

How come this Rigorous Intuitionist, this sparkling jewel of a contributor, gets away with these dimwitted junkposts and casually dishonest flamebaiting insults, again and again and again, while I predictably receive an immediate stern talking-to from the Bosses if I ever once get so irritated by it that I reply to him with something even remotely approaching the contempt he deserves?

Here's just one very recent specimen among too many to list, none of them ever even tentatively tut-tutted at by a Boss (and note that this wasn't even directed at me but at another poster):

The bottom line is that after 10 billion vaccines, case rates are the highest that they have ever been and all cause mortality among the young is also at the highest that it has ever been in almost every highly vaccinated nation.

Not here.

Yes, COVID-19 death rates are down slightly, but that is to be expected in the second year of a respiratory pandemic without or without vaccines due to better treatment regimes (that have been unconscionably suppressed just to promote vaccine uptake), huge swaths of the population gaining natural immunity, and expected viral evolution to less virulent strains. Natural immunity is far better than vaccine immunity against a wide variety of variants.

Not here. We had very little natural immunity before December. Most of our population haven't been exposed to wild covid in any form, even now.

The current vaccines instruct your cells to create a toxic spike protein to generate a specific immune response to something that effectively doesn't even exist anymore in the wild.

The only "argument' that vaccine zealots like you have to fall back on at this point is "But, but, trust us, it would have been far, far worse!"

You can't say "Oh but the spike protein changed and the vaccine doesn't work any more" then say those changes make what happened earlier invalid. That's rubbish. The data you posted about where I live proves your points wrong. I've been saying Omicron is different for months now, well nearly months. Since mid December or earlier. You were laughing at that idea then. Now you're using the very things I've been telling you for six weeks to claim some bullshit I'm not even saying. Get fucked.

And you're going on with the abuse again you rude cunt, calling me a zealot. I've already come on here and said no way I'd recommend someone under 30 get vaccinated (unless they had severe immunocompromise of some sort) and that if I'd known Omicron was coming along so quickly i wouldn't have done it myself. That makes me a zealot does it? Okay then fine. You need a punch in the face you unvaccinated, germ carrying disease machine.

Sorry, but it getting hard to trust you at this point since everything you have promised to date has turned out to be false other than the unfalsifiable claim that "it would have been far, far worse."

Your own fucken graph shows that. Open your fucken eyes.

Of course, I admit that omicron is different, so different that all previous public health rationales for vaccine mandates that should have been opposed on principle have now been completely obliterated.

You still trying to claim I'm in favour of mandatory vaccinations you lying puddle of dog vomit?

That kind of quality contribution you're perfectly happy to let pass without comment. Q.E.D.

Do I need to post evidence of this lovable rough diamond (salt o' the earth, ain't he) calling me and other people a cunt repeatedly, and threatening to cross the ocean and beat us all up? (It's barely less annoying for being so ridiculous.) I could do so very easily, but there's clearly no point, because you've already watched it happen countless times and shown by your dependable silence that you're just fine with all that. It only ever becomes a problem that requires to be dealt with the moment I lose patience and have the temerity to defend myself.

[Belligerent Savant]

Let's touch on a few of the broader key issues raised here since the onset of this thread, which the mainstream has recently pivoted to accept (or are approaching broad acceptance):

1. Lockdowns: recent Johns Hopkins study finding lockdowns had little/no benefit, and actually caused harms. A number of us flagged this back in 2020;

You lot constantly said they didn't prevent infection or death yet what happened here shows they did. But we've gone over this a bit in the last few pages.

Look one issue I have with this is that its in an economics journal, written by economists, but I haven't actually read the John Hopkins thing properly so I'm not gonna comment on it beyond the other issue that really stands out to me. They excluded early lockdowns from the study! WTF??? The whole point of lockdowns is to go early otherwise they are a waste of time.

THis is a massive deal in terms of effectiveness. And frankly if you exclude early lockdowns and go for ongoing pointless lockdowns then I'd be more inclined to miss most of them too. But... you can't dismiss early lockdowns from the discussion because they are the most effective.

To paraphrase the walking dead [Biden]: Come on, man. The NET RESULT is that it caused MARKEDLY MORE HARMS than BENEFIT.

Yes, lockdowns may have worked -- TEMPORARILY, initially. But there's no way to PERPETUALLY contain a god damned virus. Not without effectively ending all SOCIAL norms and causing massive damage to other aspects of life. For a virus with over a 99% survival rate? Come on, man.

A brief/~30-45 day lockdown among those most at risk, with a clear exit ramp, would have been far more reasonable. But that's not what happened, and as we assess current circumstances, it appears the reasons for mass extended lockdowns had far less to do with health, and far more to do with expediting a shift to a new social order (remote working, social credit systems, cashless commerce, etc., along with planned disruptions -- supply chains, inflation -- to help push forward objectives).

3. Vaccines: it is now acknowledged these mRNA products do NOT prevent spread or contagion, and are NOT sterilizing. The claims that they temporarily prevent severe symptoms/death may be true, though much of this depends on how certain figures are presented and interpreted. In time there will be better clarity on this, but in any event, protection is fleeting. It's quite clear these mRNA/viral vector products should NEVER have been mandated, certainly not across all populations with no regard to an individual's risk factor, and without acknowledging natural immunity in lieu of 'vaccination'. Again, a number of us have been calling this out since 2020.

No it isn't. You're gilding the lily way beyond what it can hold up. Vaccines have much greater levels of side effects than claimed, especially for young men, and are not really effective against the latest variant, Omicron. That's all.

Protection for vaccination and immunity from survivng an infection is almost exactly the same. With all variants. In South Africa where the vaccination numbers were low but natural immunity was high the virus spread as fast thru as many people proportionally.

Before Omicron they both stopped some spread and lowered the risk of infection significantly.

"stopped some spread" and "lowered the risk of infection significantly" is conjecture; there's no raw data that backs this up, though I grant that later review may show this to be at least partially true. Omicron's easy transmission rate likely exposed dishonest data reporting (e.g., misleading metrics giving the impression these mRNA products were more effective and less harmful than they actually are). We'll see how these figures look, in time, as numbers are corrected (after they can no longer perpetuate the fraud -- though by then it may be a distant memory for most).

Once more: the mRNA products DO NOT prevent spread or contagion. CDC acknowledges this (CDC also claims this is due largely to the new strain inherent to Omicron. TBD). They do NOT "sterilize". They should NEVER have been mandated.

The prior sentence is the key point, for me at least: you can believe what you wish about the efficacy of these mRNA products, but there is NO justification for mandating them. Do you agree or disagree with this point, specifically?

Are they effective for a period of time? Again, as I typed, there is data that shows yes. But we'll see just how accurate that is over time. This doesn't offset the myriad HARMS.

Moreover, there are clear demonstrable issues with these 'vaccines' well beyond impact to young males. We've provided all manner of corroborating data points to this, and formal inquiries/investigations have only just begun. I anticipate by Fall of 2022 it will be more openly acknowledged that the side effects from these experimental mRNA products will extend beyond a single subset demographic (young males).

By way of a mere sampling, how many young males do you count within this repository (and how many of them aren't young males)? https://www.realnotrare.com/

So obviously I think the "lab leak" is bullshit? Fuck, you people are irritating.

I never stated that. I was summarizing broadly current understandings on covid (now vs initial claims), not necessarily whatever it is you believe. Indeed, this is why I ended the numbered tallies with a query to you, asking for a refresher of your stance on these points.

I posted a video from Prof. Nikolai Petrovski as he documented how difficult it was for a smaller company to get testing approval in Australia against the hurdles put up to satisfy Big Pharma. Its called regulatoiry capture. You lot ignored it or made some patronising comment then several months later one of you posted it in some massive screed about the corporate shenanigans.

Even now you're inflating the things youse got right and ignoring the things you got wrong or pretending they aren't real.

Of course regulatory capture is part of it. I don't believe there are objections to this.

I'm not inflating anything. Everything I typed in my prior posting is a fairly accurate assessment of things. I should know: I started this thread and have been contributing to it, along with others, from the onset. I have a clear sense of the amount of pushback received here in RI back in 2020 compared to now.

What, exactly, did we get wrong? To be clear, I'm not suggesting we got it all right. Of course we didn't. But what, precisely, is your assessment of what we got wrong? As far as I see it a number of these issues remain very much TBD. for some, we can't say, or know -- right now -- if they may turn out 'right' or 'wrong'. But as far as the 4 numbered items I listed in my prior posting, I'd say the RI crew that countered the narratives are sitting with a very impressive batting average right now.

But it's not about batting averages. I'm sure everyone here that expressed similar concerns early on WANTED TO BE WRONG about most/all of this.

The silver lining is that it appears we're in the early stages of Empire/Systems Collapse. Tough times right now, and tough times to follow in the near/mid-term. But it also represents a cleansing process. Discarding the bile with what we hope will be a better collective mindset, a better zeitgeist, a return to true community. Eventually*.

Perhaps not for us, but for future generations, after current collective expressions are fully exhausted.

Or, we may be facing various forms of dystopia for the foreseeable future.

*some of this can happen in the near-term, in much smaller groupings of like-minded individuals; it's already happening as more seek off-grid solutions.

[MacCruiskeen]

U.S. Dept. of Fear@FearDept 1 hr ago.

If the Canadian truckers can't heat their cabins at night they'll freeze to death. So the Ottawa police are seizing the trucker's fuel. [Film of them doing it, 57s.]

https://twitter.com/FearDept/status/1490715477634863106

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