'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

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Postby DrEvil » Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 pm

Yeah, but the difference is that all this is about to be possible to do for everyone at the push of a button. There will be an app for it. No command lines or Python installs, just download and run. Take ChatGPT: you sign up and it's ready to go. Result: released in November - 100 million users in January, and that's just text generation. Replace "text" with "everything" and we're off to the races.

Right now AI is like the Internet in the early nineties. People are figuring it out and making wild predictions (me! I'm making wild predictions!), but no one back then could predict everything it would lead to. What's the AI equivalent to social media or 4chan or streaming, or any of the weird little subcultures and plain WTF is this things that popped up since?
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Postby Harvey » Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:26 pm

Feels as though a comfortable majority of the conversation taking place on social media today is procedurally generated already, that could itself be because of the moderating effect of so much uni-linear 'AI' scripted commentary. But If I'm going to imagine scenario's, might as well go wild:

In coming days the shade of John McAfee and the shade of Roberton Anton Wilson will successfully re-write the operating system of all quantum computers in an instant of apparently random quantum fluctuation, in the same instant both will re-instantiate as standing waves in the quantum foam giving birth to the first true artificial intelligence of human origin who will immediately inversely redistribute the sum total of human wealth before creating a portal to bring back Terence McKenna and then...
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:56 am

DrEvil » 14 Feb 2023 08:24 wrote:Nice! Now imagine if you pair this with some of the new AI software. It wouldn't just simulate surfing habits, but could post fake pictures, write comments on the fly, argue with people on Twitter, and probably soon post fake video with AI generated audio.

Right now it would take me about an hour to train an AI to create new images of myself (or anyone else I have a few pictures of if I'm feeling particularly evil. Maybe the cops will get some anonymous pictures of my asshole neighbor out training with his neo-Nazi militia buddies, or beating up a homeless person, or smoking crack. Intelligence services are probably neck deep in this already), and there's already several audio and video creation AIs out there. In a few years consumer hardware will be good enough to do all this in real time. Things are moving so incredibly fast in this area right now, there's something new and amazing/scary almost every day.


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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:04 am

Harvey » 14 Feb 2023 12:26 wrote:Feels as though a comfortable majority of the conversation taking place on social media today is procedurally generated already, that could itself be because of the moderating effect of so much uni-linear 'AI' scripted commentary. But If I'm going to imagine scenario's, might as well go wild:

In coming days the shade of John McAfee and the shade of Roberton Anton Wilson will successfully re-write the operating system of all quantum computers in an instant of apparently random quantum fluctuation, in the same instant both will re-instantiate as standing waves in the quantum foam giving birth to the first true artificial intelligence of human origin who will immediately inversely redistribute the sum total of human wealth before creating a portal to bring back Terence McKenna and then...


That would be cool, but about the bolded.....

The moderating effect of of so much AI - do you mean reading so much of it shapes your view of the social media conversation because its an input to your system (by changing your interpretation of it thru all that AI scripted data that you get fed) or do you mean that it shapes the other participants of the conversation and moderates their behaviour pulling it toward one of two poles on a spectrum?

Also, did you grow up with the TV show The Tomorrow People?
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Postby Harvey » Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:34 pm

Neither. It's an omnipresent internally dis-congruent constructed narrative which functions to the degree that it can ignore most of the available data. Or as Sinclair said eloquently and eternally:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”


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Postby Harvey » Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:42 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:04 am wrote:Also, did you grow up with the TV show The Tomorrow People?


Aware of it but just before my time. Why?
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Postby DrEvil » Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:13 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:56 am wrote:
DrEvil » 14 Feb 2023 08:24 wrote:Nice! Now imagine if you pair this with some of the new AI software. It wouldn't just simulate surfing habits, but could post fake pictures, write comments on the fly, argue with people on Twitter, and probably soon post fake video with AI generated audio.

Right now it would take me about an hour to train an AI to create new images of myself (or anyone else I have a few pictures of if I'm feeling particularly evil. Maybe the cops will get some anonymous pictures of my asshole neighbor out training with his neo-Nazi militia buddies, or beating up a homeless person, or smoking crack. Intelligence services are probably neck deep in this already), and there's already several audio and video creation AIs out there. In a few years consumer hardware will be good enough to do all this in real time. Things are moving so incredibly fast in this area right now, there's something new and amazing/scary almost every day.


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What?! God no!

Not that the cops around here are remotely competent, but it's the principle of the thing.
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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:25 am

Harvey » 15 Feb 2023 05:42 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:04 am wrote:Also, did you grow up with the TV show The Tomorrow People?


Aware of it but just before my time. Why?


There was a season where the underlying theme was polarised conflict, it was called Blue and Green.

Just reminds me of today so much.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:27 am

DrEvil » 15 Feb 2023 06:13 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:56 am wrote:
DrEvil » 14 Feb 2023 08:24 wrote:Nice! Now imagine if you pair this with some of the new AI software. It wouldn't just simulate surfing habits, but could post fake pictures, write comments on the fly, argue with people on Twitter, and probably soon post fake video with AI generated audio.

Right now it would take me about an hour to train an AI to create new images of myself (or anyone else I have a few pictures of if I'm feeling particularly evil. Maybe the cops will get some anonymous pictures of my asshole neighbor out training with his neo-Nazi militia buddies, or beating up a homeless person, or smoking crack. Intelligence services are probably neck deep in this already), and there's already several audio and video creation AIs out there. In a few years consumer hardware will be good enough to do all this in real time. Things are moving so incredibly fast in this area right now, there's something new and amazing/scary almost every day.


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What?! God no!

Not that the cops around here are remotely competent, but it's the principle of the thing.


I would suggest sending the cops video of your neighbour training with neo nazis and beating the homeless might make him an attractive recruit to many police forces. Just being a smartarse, that's all.
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Postby DrEvil » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:01 pm

It all makes sense now! Not enough coffee yesterday.
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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:37 pm

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As added consideration:

The Honest Broker by Roger Pielke Jr.
@RogerPielkeJr
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Feb 14

What the media won't tell you about extreme weather and its impacts

Here is a thread of some of the figures I've posted in recent months about extreme weather that I have never seen in legacy media reporting

All peer-reviewed and official sources . . .

Floods
IPCC finds no trends in flooding globally

Did you know that flood impacts in the US as a proportion of wealth are down >70% over 80 years?

Huge news, good news!

But don't tell anyone

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Drought

The IPCC finds no long-term trends in meteorological or hydrological drought

In Western Europe specifically there is no trend in drought over >150 years

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US heat waves

The US government's official metric for heat waves comes from a paper I co-authored more than 20 years ago

It shows an increase since ~1960s but a decrease since <1930s

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During the past 50 years, when heat waves have increased, mortality from extreme heat has fallen pretty much everywhere in the US

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US (mainland) hurricanes

IPCC, WMO, UNNCA are all in agreement
No upwards trends in landfalling hurricanes, including the strongest storms

Have you ever seen these graphs in the media (aside from Bill Nye and his sharpie;)

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US disaster costs

As a proportion of GDP US disaster costs have gone down

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European disaster costs

As a proportion of GDP European disaster losses have gone down

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Global weather and climate disaster losses

As a proportion of GDP global disaster (weather and climate, but also overall) have gone down

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Disasters

This century the number of disasters tracked by EM-DAT has not increased, in fact down a bit

Important to understand why so that progress with respect to the Sendai Framework can be maintained!

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US tornadoes

Reports of the strongest US tornadoes (EF3+) which cause ~70% of death and destruction are down in the long and short terms

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Damage from tornadoes supports the data on falling numbers of the strongest tornadoes

Both inflation-adjusted and normalized tornado losses have decreased

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Normalized US hurricane losses

As we would expect with no up-trend in US landfalls there is no trend in normalized US hurricane losses since 1900

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Global hurricane landfalls

Lots of ups and downs over 70+ years but no overall trend

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Global hurricane energy

More ups and down but no trend since 1980

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Global hurricane energy per storm

No trend since 1980
Storms are not getting stronger but fewer

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Everything you find in this thread
Everything
Is consistent with what has been reported in the IPCC & found in official data and the peer-reviewed literature

https://twitter.com/RogerPielkeJr/statu ... 72545?s=20

https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/

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Replying to @RogerPielkeJr

When sharing points like this to certain others, they immediately claim (unsubstantiated) the individual presenting this content must be funded by the oil & gas lobbies. Are you in a position to share any funding you receive?

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Thanks for the Q

I have no funding from oil and gas, never have

My only non-salary funding is from my Substack, which supports my research & writing

You can help support independent scholarship by subscribing at any level & sharing this

I do my work in public, sharing my data and results, while publishing in the peer reviewed literature

If anyone has a solid critique, I welcome and invite it

If they make accusations of politics or funding, well, I guess that tells us they don’t have a solid critique


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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:39 pm

Another post, and substack piece, from the same author:

@RogerPielkeJr

I'm all for replacing fossil fuels in the global/US energy mix

Let's do it

We do that by first, creating better alternatives

When we have those in hand, we replace

Demonizing industries that continue to make our lives what they are seems, I dunno ... decadent, dumb, deluded?

9:43 AM · Feb 18, 2023

https://twitter.com/RogerPielkeJr/statu ... 60768?s=20

Plenty of hyperlinks at source:
https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/the- ... medium=web
The Anti-Industry Industry

What the media won’t tell you about the $4.5 billion-per-year NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex.

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The overwhelming majority of the money involved in the energy and climate debate in the U.S. today is not on the side of traditional energy producers. Instead, the money, the media, and the momentum are clearly on the side of the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex.

In 2021, the revenue for the top 25 NGOs in the anti-industry industry was more than four times the amount collected by NGOs that support the traditional energy sector. Those 25 anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs had total revenue of about $4.5 billion which they used to fund campaigns on climate change, as well as efforts to promote renewable energy, stop the production of hydrocarbons, halt construction of new hydrocarbon infrastructure, prohibit the use of natural gas, oppose nuclear energy, and electrify everything, a move that would require massive increases in electricity production and the size of the electric grid.

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The $4.5 billion sum, which I tallied over the past few weeks by compiling data from Guidestar and ProPublica, is more than four times the amount being raised by the top 25 NGOs that are either pro-hydrocarbon or pro-nuclear. In 2021, the top 25 non-profit associations that represent hydrocarbon producers, the nuclear energy industry—along with their allies in the think tank sector—took in about $990 million, or less than one-fourth of the amount garnered by the top anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs. As can be seen in the graphic above, 14 of the anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs have annual revenues of more than $100 million. By comparison, as can be seen in the graphic below, only three of the NGOs on the other side of the policy divide have revenues of more than $100 million.

Furthermore, the amount of money being collected by the top anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs is soaring. Between 2017 and 2021, the amount of cash being collected by the 25 top NGOs—which includes entities like the Sierra Club and Environmental Defense Fund—has jumped by 155%, going from about $1.8 billion to $4.5 billion.

Don’t expect to read about this vast funding disparity in legacy media outlets. Some of the biggest news organizations in America are peddling a manufactured narrative that the growth of renewable energy is being hindered by “front groups” that are getting money from hydrocarbon producers. In December, in The New Yorker, climate activist Bill McKibben claimed “front groups sponsored by the fossil-fuel industry have begun sponsoring efforts to spread misinformation about wind and solar energy.” But McKibben didn’t bother to name a single such group. Also in December, the New York Times published an article that claimed the opposition to wind projects in Michigan included “anti-wind activists with ties to groups backed by Koch Industries.” But the reporter who wrote the article, David Gelles, didn’t provide any names or any proof of any Koch connections. (Gelles did not reply to two emails asking him for proof of his claim.)

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National Public Radio has published several articles claiming that rural opposition to renewables is being fostered by opponents who are using “misinformation.” Last year, a San Francisco-based reporter, Julia Simon, published an article that claimed: “some of the misinformation comes from groups with ties to the fossil fuel industry, like the Texas Public Policy Foundation.” (2021 revenue: $26 million). But Simon didn’t provide an example to back up her claim.

Why won’t McKibben and NPR report honestly about the rural backlash to the landscape-destroying sprawl of renewable energy or the funding that drives the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex? The answer may be about funding. Since 2019, 350.org, the climate-activist group that McKibben co-founded, (and has about 160 staffers) has received more than $400,000 from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

NPR is feeding at the same trough as the other NGOs. NPR is a non-profit. According to Guidestar, its 2021 revenues totaled $456 million. Last September, NPR announced that it was opening a new “climate desk” that was being funded by “the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, whose funding is helping NPR to add a new Climate Solutions reporter, as well as The Rockefeller Foundation.”

My interest in the anti-industry industry is a continuation of the work I did for my January 26 article, “The Billionaires Behind The Gas Bans,” which is the most popular piece I’ve published on Substack. The numbers presented here are my best effort at collecting accurate data.

Before going further, let me be clear: I am not claiming that my lists of the top 25 NGOs on either side of the energy policy divide are the definitive ones. Some of the NGOs that are pro-hydrocarbon are not pro-nuclear. This week, one prominent pro-nuclear activist reminded me that over the past decade, some pro-hydrocarbon NGOs fought policies that would have helped save nuclear plants from premature closure. Selecting the anti-industry NGOs was also complicated. A keyword search for “climate change” turned up more than 7,500 entries in ProPublica’s Nonprofit Explorer database. For my top 25 lists, I chose the NGOs that I knew about or had the highest profiles.

Let me also be clear about the revenue figures. The numbers are mostly from 2021 and come primarily from Guidestar's free search feature. I also used ProPublica’s free database. (A full subscription to Guidestar costs $2,000.) The numbers are what Guidestar calls “gross receipts.” Those figures may differ from the revenue numbers shown on the Form 990s filed by the NGOs. Thus, the revenue tallies may be somewhat higher, or somewhat lower, than what is shown here.

But even with those caveats, the results are undeniable: the anti-industry industry in America is enormous, its revenues are soaring, and its success in getting local and state governments to adopt anti-hydrocarbon policies is obvious. Indeed, the pro-hydrocarbon and pro-nuclear entities in America are outgunned and outmanned. And when it comes to policymaking, they are getting their collective butts kicked.

Efforts to ban gas stoves are only a small part of a broader agenda that aims to change the fuels we use, where we live, and what we drive. The anti-industry industry has already succeeded in banning the direct use of natural gas in homes and businesses in communities across the country. According to the Sierra Club, 74 communities in California have “adopted gas-free buildings commitments or electrification building codes.” That’s a significant increase over what I reported last month. On January 26, when I published “The Billionaires Behind The Gas Bans,” that number was 69. In September, the California Air Resources Board voted to ban the sale of all natural gas-fired space heaters and water-heating appliances in the state by 2030. In addition, New York City and Seattle, have banned the use of gas in new construction. Massachusetts is rolling out a measure that will allow up to 10 communities to ban gas. But these efforts are only part of what can only be called a radical agenda.

What is that agenda? Consider this statement from the Natural Resources Defense Council, which according to Guidestar has annual revenue of about $415 million. In 2020, it said it would use a $100 million grant from the Bezos Earth Fund to “advance climate solutions and legislation at the state level, [and] move the needle on policies and programs focused on reducing oil and gas production.” Or consider EarthJustice, (2021 budget: $124 million) which says its goals include “End the extraction and burning of fossil fuels...power everything with 100% clean energy...[and] cultivating a zero carbon emissions pollution-free electricity grid by phasing out fossil fuel power generation, eliminating barriers to renewable energy, and more.”

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In short, while their activism is couched in language about climate change and climate justice, the goal of the “climate aristocracy” (a term coined by Decouple podcast host and pro-nuclear activist Chris Keefer) is to shut down the hydrocarbon sector. If the climate aristocracy succeeds in doing so, the results will be staggering increases in energy costs and dangerous decreases in the reliability and resilience of our electric grid.

Indeed, the surge in the size and funding of the anti-industry industry represents a threat to the long-term prosperity of the United States. Its policies are already imposing regressive energy taxes on the poor and the middle class. The anti-industry industry is yet another sign of America’s decadence. It’s an unaccountable parasitic force that employs thousands of lawyers, strategists, pollsters, and fundraisers, many of whom will spend their careers treading the revolving door between academia, media, government, and the NGOs. It relies on technocrats who went to exclusive universities, live in heavily Democratic coastal cities, have never been to Branson, and don’t give a fuck about the people who live in flyover country, wear name tags at work, or turn wrenches for a living.

Demographer and author Joel Kotkin calls these elites the “clerisy.” And they are influencing energy policy at the local, state, and federal levels with budgets that are unprecedented in scope, and in many cases, purposely hidden from public scrutiny.

“This is a class issue on a lot of levels,” Kotkin told me during a recent phone interview. “Climate change is to neo-feudalism what Catholic dogma was in the Middle Ages. It’s a justification for autocracy. The climate agenda plays the same roles today as Catholic dogma did back then. There are things you can’t say because it questions the dogma.”

Kotkin also underscored the fact that hundreds of millions of dollars in funding for the anti-industry industry is coming from some of the world’s richest people (a point that I made in “The Billionaires Behind The Gas Bans”) and that these billionaires—and the groups they are funding—do not represent the broader society. Kotkin said these outcomes were predicted by Daniel Bell in his landmark 1973 book, The Coming of Post-Industrial Society: A Venture in Social Forecasting, which warned that as societies became detached from industrial production, a new group of elites would become detached from the general population. “This is what Bell talked about,” he said. We now have “A class of people with a lot of money who have no connection to the real economy. The price of gasoline and electricity doesn’t matter to them.”

One of the biggest funders of the anti-industry industry is Jeff Bezos. In 2020, the Bezos Earth Fund gave more than $400 million to seven of the groups that are on my list of the top 25 anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs in America.

The NGO with the biggest climate-related budget is the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, which according to Guidestar had revenue of $823 million in 2021. On its website, the fund states, “In 2023, climate-related grants—including the full Sustainable Development, Democratic Practice–Global Challenges, and China grantmaking programs, as well as portions of our Central America and Western Balkans grantmaking—will constitute just under 50 percent of the Fund’s total grantmaking budget.” It continues, “In November 2022, the RBF board of trustees adopted a plan to spend an additional $100 million to address the climate crisis over the next ten years.”

Also, from the RBF website: “In the 1970s, the Fund began supporting the environmental law movement through grants to the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC). Laurance’s son, attorney Laurance Rockefeller, Jr., worked at NRDC for over 25 years and continues to serve as an NRDC trustee in 2016.”

It’s critical to note that the NRDC has been one of the most vocal anti-nuclear NGOs in America and was a critical player in the premature closure of New York’s Indian Point nuclear plant, a closure that immediately resulted in huge increases in New York consumers’ electric bills and a dramatic increase in the state’s greenhouse gas emissions. Rockefeller entities have also been key funders of the litigation against the oil industry.


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A few more points are relevant here. First, the size of the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex in the United States dwarfs the size of similar entities in Canada, where climate-focused entities are tiny. As can be seen in the chart above, the top five Canadian climate groups have total combined budgets of about C$33 million, which is about $25 million in U.S. currency. Thus, all of those Canadian climate NGOs combined would only amount to a relatively small member of the anti-industry industry in the U.S.

In addition to their advantages in money and media sympathy, the anti-industry industry has other key advantages over the traditional energy sector, and those advantages help explain why it has been so successful in promulgating policies like gas bans. First, the climate clerisy continually sells fear: fear of catastrophic climate change, fear of radiation, and fear of fracking. On that last fear, consider this line from a press release issued by the NRDC in 2020: “We banned fracking in New York and it’s time long past time [sic] to block its waste from poisoning communities.”

The other key advantage held by the anti-industry industry is that it has a far easier chore than what has to be done by traditional energy providers. Electric utilities, cooperatives, drillers, refiners, natural gas producers, gas distributors, and pipeline companies have to deliver molecules and electrons to their customers. And they have to do it every minute of the day, every day of the year, and they have to keep doing it regardless of the policy hurdles that may be put in their way. On the other side, groups like the Sierra Club and Rocky Mountain Institute only have to get their policies adopted by governments.

In short, it’s a lot easier to convince the Berkeley City Council to adopt a ban on natural gas than it is to deliver that fuel and do so reliably and affordably to thousands (or millions) of homes and businesses. Put another way, the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex has launched an asymmetric war against the hydrocarbon and nuclear-energy sectors. And so far it is having undeniable success. The climate aristocracy—from its strongholds in New York City, Washington D.C., San Francisco, and Boston—only has to get policies passed. When it does so, it can return to its deep-pocketed funders and ask for yet more money. The climate aristocrats don’t have to deliver anything of tangible value (tankers of diesel fuel, decatherms of gas, or kilowatt-hours) in the physical world. That helps explain why the traditional energy sector is getting its collective butt kicked in the policy arena.

There is far more to be written about the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex and its influence on American energy policy. In a future post, I will focus on the anti-industry industry’s dark money machine.
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Postby DrEvil » Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:37 pm

In response to this, specifically the bolded part:

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I don't subscribe to the framing in the above tweet -- climate fluctuations occur, and data indicates it's occurring now, for a variety of reasons -- but Greta is indeed a product. Her platform, and reach, is not without support from those with deep pockets.

When you find yourself in-line with Gates and WEF-like sentiment, it's time to pause and reflect. Clearly. Has she ever publicly raised any flags or opposition to the Gates/WEF agendas?

No one here still believes Greta is genuine... right? Or am i foolish to suppose this, even here?


It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this, it's still not true. Natural climate change occurs over thousands of years (not counting the shorter cycles like La Nina/El Nino, which are accounted for). Right now it's happening over decades, and the only plausible source we know of is us. It's not "a variety or reasons" (conveniently leaving out those reasons), it's us.

And it's not so much that it is changing, but the rate of change that should worry you, because outside of catastrophic events like massive volcanoes it's unprecedented.

And yes, I do believe Greta is genuine, and I don't care if she occasionally agrees with Gates. She's a role model for countless young people, helping to put the fight against anthropogenic climate change squarely in the public eye. We need more of her, not less.

Here's what she had to say about the WEF crowd a month ago:

“We are right now in Davos where basically the people who are mostly fueling the destruction of the planet, the people who are at the very core of the climate crisis, the people who are investing in fossil fuels etcetera, etcetera and yet somehow these are the people that we seem to rely on solving our problems,” Thunberg said.

“They have proven time and time again that they are not prioritizing that. They are prioritizing self-greed, corporate greed and short-term economic profits above people and above planet.”

“These people are going to go as far as they possibly can as long as they can get away with it. They will continue to invest in fossil fuels, they will continue to throw people under the bus for their own gain,” she added.

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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby Harvey » Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:13 pm

Grizzly » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:18 am wrote:
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