Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Harvey]

Nice. Did you do it? If so, hat's off. If not, thanks, it's brilliant!

[stickdog99]

Nope. I am not sure who the author of he above meme is. but I agree that it is great.

[Harvey]

I wonder if that graph is a close mirror of mRNA distribution?

Edited to add:

I read once of some Muslim midwives and nurses who instead of performing female genital mutilation on the children in their charge, would give a them a hard pinch on the thigh to make them yell out in surprise and pain, satisfying anyone present the awful deed had been performed, then everyone could, in good conscience, continue along as though it had.

I've been hoping all along that there exist more than a few quiet heroes who found a way to substitute the poison for something harmless. They couldn't talk about it safely even now, had they done something along these lines. But it might go some way toward explaining divergence in the trends, and some of Bill Gates peculiar disappointment.

[Belligerent Savant]

Nope. I am not sure who the author of he above meme is. but I agree that it is great.

That chart is depicted on the prior page of this thread as well, along with a youtube clip of Dr. Campbell speaking to it and other related content.


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I've been hoping all along that there exist more than a few quiet heroes who found a way to substitute the poison for something harmless. They couldn't talk about it safely even now, had they done something along these lines. But it might go some way toward explaining divergence in the trends, and some of Bill Gates peculiar disappointment.

A few doctors have, and were actually charged by the govt for it. See this despicable headline:

Utah Doctor and Co-Defendants Charged for Running a COVID-19 Vaccine Scheme to Defraud the Government and CDC
At least more than $28,000 worth of COVID-19 vaccines allegedly disposed of, hundreds of vaccination record cards fraudulently completed and distributed, and minors injected with saline shots

Salt Lake City, Utah – A federal grand jury in Salt Lake City, Utah returned an indictment on January 11, 2023 charging a Utah plastic surgeon, his medical corporation, and three co-defendants, including his neighbor, with conspiracy to defraud the United States by issuing fake CDC COVID-19 vaccination record cards to fraudulent vaccine card seekers.

According to court documents, Dr. Michael Kirk Moore Jr., 58, of Salt Lake County, Utah and his co-defendants, listed below including his neighbor, ran a scheme out of Plastic Surgery Institute of Utah Inc. to defraud the United States and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The defendants allegedly destroyed at least $28,028.50 worth of government-provided COVID-19 vaccines, and distributed at least 1,937 doses’ worth of fraudulently completed vaccination record cards to others in exchange for either direct cash payments or required “donations” to a specified charitable organization, without administering a COVID-19 vaccine to the card recipient. As charged in court documents, defendants also administered saline shots to minors – at the request of their parents – so children would think they were receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ut/pr/utah ... government

Daily Beast:

A Utah plastic surgeon issued COVID-19 vaccination cards to large numbers of patients who never received their shots, dumping the vaccines down the drain while telling the CDC the recipients had been properly inoculated, according to a federal criminal complaint unsealed Tuesday. Dr. Michael Kirk Moore, who operates the Plastic Surgery Institute of Utah, is charged along with two of his employees with conspiracy to defraud the United States, as well as two conspiracy counts for improper conversion of disposal of U.S. property—over the clinic’s waste of the viable vaccines. Moore, who prosecutors say was motivated by a political agenda, allegedly sold roughly 2,000 phantom shots, each for a $50 “donation.” He would then either forgo the injection altogether, or, for minors, administer a shot of saline, leaving the kids believing they had been vaccinated, the complaint states, noting that each patient was duly entered into statewide public health databases as having received the vaccine

https://www.thedailybeast.com/utah-plas ... shots-feds

Another example, as reported in the now-loathsome NPR (YES: LOATHSOME):

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/11/10268632 ... any-saline

Thousands In Germany Thought They Had Their Vaccine. It May Have Been Saline Instead
August 11, 20215:33 PM ET

A nurse in northern Germany is suspected of having duped thousands of people into receiving a shot of saline rather than a COVID-19 vaccine.

Authorities say that a Red Cross nurse working at a vaccination site in Friesland is believed to have given out the fake shot to residents during March and April, Reuters reported. Around 8,600 people could have received the saline solution instead of the vaccine, Sven Ambrosy, a district administrator of Friesland, said on Facebook.

"I'm totally shocked by the incident," Ambrosy said. "The district of Friesland will do everything possible to ensure that the affected people receive their vaccination protection as soon as possible."

The saline solution is not dangerous, but officials are urging anyone who got vaccinated at the Roffhausen Vaccination Center during that period to get vaccinated again. They are contacting by phone or email those who may have received a fake vaccine, and a dedicated information phone line has also been established, officials wrote on Facebook.

Health officials in Lower Saxony said that the nurse in question had access to the vaccines because she was "responsible for the preparation of vaccines and the preparation of syringes during her working hours in the vaccination center," CNN reported.

[Harvey]

Sorry, missed it!

[Harvey]

Heroes.

[DrEvil]

Making medical decisions for others without telling them doesn't make you a hero.

[Belligerent Savant]

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When the product is faulty, causes demonstrable harms, and does not perform as advertised, your comment isn’t applicable.
Those that took these products were deeply misled.

Or is this still in dispute?


Putting aside whether they may be deemed heroes or not, practically no one received proper informed consent, and just about everyone that submitted to these mRNA products in 2021 did so under utterly false pretenses.

Why isn’t the dept of justice going after the FDA, CDC, Pfizer, Moderna right now for false and misleading claims?

[Harvey]

Making medical decisions for others without telling them

Happens every day on every battlefield and in every hospital, surgery and medicine hut in every country. Sometimes in board rooms. Sometimes in exclusive and smoke filled rooms. Sometimes right out in the spotlight. Here's the thing, those people will be vindicated, proved to have saved lives in extraordinarily difficult conditions, with half the audience, who slept through the show anyway, condemning them from behind keyboards.

Anyway - it's clear the heroes in question worked with their communities consent and co-operation.

You just wouldn't hear about it. And if even if you do, make a point of condemning it. Why haven't we heard anything about events in Ohio, and so little about the NATO countries continuing siege and sanctions against Syria, even as they plunder the oil, even as war torn Syria and Turkey emerge from the nightmare of thousands of 9/11's happening in just a few moments. The scale of the disaster numbs the mind, like war.

Anyway, you've prompted the thought, it would be interesting to see a comparison of the various Covid data split between NATO and non NATO countries. Would it reveal any pattern?

[Harvey]

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When the product is faulty, causes demonstrable harms, and does not perform as advertised, your comment isn’t applicable.
Those that took these products were deeply misled.

[Belligerent Savant]

The following falls into the "mistakes were made" category of acknowledgements rather than the intentional "controlled demolition of our early [pre-2020] 21st century Zeitgeist" category (the latter as part of the initial stages of a longer-term play to re-shape society, commerce, and control mechanisms for the benefit of the very few, to the great detriment of the many).

Still, any movement away from the current denial/doubling-down phase (at least in mainstream and/or 'progressive' discourse, though even among these groups it's already shifting to a slow acknowledgement of harms) is a good development. This may be part of a 'limited hangout' or it could be an earnest attempt to call out and change protocols (which serves as a limited hangout, in any event, as it shifts focus away from Egregious Crimes Against Humanity and legitimate mRNA product harms -- including intent to harm, at certain levels).

Whatever it is, we likely won't know, and I welcome this development regardless. It will help open the door a creak further towards more expansive exploration of egregious wrongs.

QUESTIONS FOR A COVID-19 COMMISSION

Introduction

America’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic failed on many levels of government and in many aspects. Certainly, deaths are unavoidable during a pandemic. However, too many U.S. policy makers concentrated efforts on ineffective or actively harmful and divisive measures such as school closures that generated enormous societal damage without significantly lowering COVID-19 mortality, while failing to protect high-risk Americans. As a result, Americans were hard hit both by the disease and by collateral damage generated by misguided pandemic strategies and decisions that ignored years of pandemic preparation guidance crafted by numerous public health agencies, nationally and internationally.

Many crucial mistakes were made early on, in January, February, and early March 2020, and not corrected later. Mistakes made during this early critical window at the beginning of the pandemic affected our ability to collect data about COVID-19 and protect those most at risk and laid the groundwork for loss of public trust and confusion. These oversights led to unnecessary morbidity and mortality, particularly in nursing homes, and a lack of much-needed medical supplies, reagents for testing, and required medications. Delays in initiating research on key questions such as effectiveness of therapeutics, modes of transmission, length of infective periods, and other questions, meant that policy decisions were based on assumptions rather than on solid data. To this day, many of these questions have not been adequately addressed through robust trials.


At hospitals, morbidity and mortality (M&Ms) conferences are used to examine errors or omissions in order to improve medical care. Aviation agencies conduct detailed investigations after airplane accidents and incidents. Pandemics are recurring events throughout history, and there will be future pandemics. It is thus critically important that we thoroughly examine federal pandemic responses and decisions so that we can identify and learn from mistakes. Individual states should take on the responsibility of conducting similar processes to analyze their own responses to the pandemic. Other countries have conducted such inquiries (Norway, Sweden, The Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and Denmark) and made results available to the public and to decision makers. The United States is notably absent from this list. These inquiries pose important questions to key decision makers during the pandemic, including (i) politicians, (ii) leaders of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID), (iii) state health departments, (iv) university presidents, medical school deans, hospital executives, medical journal editors, and leading public health scientists, as well as (iv) news media and technology/media companies.

This document is not a report from such an inquiry. Rather, we present a blueprint containing key public health questions for a COVID-19 commission. In separate chapters we summarize key background information and propose specific questions about failures to protect older high-risk Americans, about school closures, collateral lockdown harms, lack of robust public health data collected and/or made available, misleading risk communication, downplaying infection-acquired immunity, masks, testing, vaccine efficacy and safety, therapeutics, and epidemiological modeling.

We chose not to discuss economic issues, although we recognize that negative effects on the economy have long-term negative effects on public health. We have also chosen not to engage in issues regarding media handling of the pandemic, nor questions of how, when and why the SARS-CoV-2 virus originated. Public health responses to a pandemic are devised and implemented independently of viral origin.

This document was prepared and written solely by its eight authors. No other person discussed its content, or saw a draft or the final version before publication. Seven of us started the work at an in-person meeting in Norfolk, Connecticut, organized by the Brownstone Institute in May of 2022. We wrote and edited the bulk of this document during the subsequent six months. In honor of the place where we met we call ourselves the Norfolk Group.

The eight of us hold a wide range of political views and are not united by any particular political viewpoints. All the authors have voiced criticisms of how the pandemic was handled by government agencies and individuals appointed by and serving in both Republican and Democratic administrations. This is a public-health document, and we write it as scientists with different specific areas of expertise, but sharing the same views regarding the basic principles of public health. Our work on this document was not on behalf of any institution, public or private. Further, the statements written in these articles by the Norfolk Group represent their personal interpretations and do not necessarily represent those of their employers. Last, as data are collected and new studies emerge, some of these documents and statements may become out of date or less accurate. These documents are based on current information as of January 2023 and may not have not been updated past that date.

The eight members of the Norfolk Group are:

Jay Bhattacharya, MD, PhD; epidemiologist, health economist, and professor at Stanford University School of Medicine; founding fellow of the Academy of Science and Freedom.

Leslie Bienen, MFA, DVM; veterinarian, zoonotic disease researcher, and faculty member at Oregon Health & Science University-Portland State University School of Public Health (through December 31st 2022). She left in January 2023 to work in healthcare policy.

Ram Duriseti, MD, PhD; emergency room physician and computational engineer for medical decision making; associate professor at Stanford School of Medicine.

Tracy Beth Høeg, MD, PhD; physician and PhD epidemiologist in the Department of Epidemiology & Biostatistics, University of California-San Francisco, clinical researcher in healthcare policy and practicing Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation physician.

Martin Kulldorff, PhD, FDhc; epidemiologist and biostatistician; professor of medicine at Harvard University (on leave); founding fellow of the Academy of Science and Freedom.

Marty Makary, MD, MPH; surgeon and healthcare policy scientist; professor at Johns Hopkins University.

Margery Smelkinson, PhD; infectious disease scientist and microscopist whose research predominantly focuses on host/pathogen interactions.

Steven Templeton, PhD; immunologist; associate professor at Indiana University School of Medicine.

This report may be freely republished, in whole or in part, with a clear reference to its original publication by the Norfolk Group at http://www.NorfolkGroup.org. Throughout the document, references are provided as hyperlinks.

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Protecting High-Risk Americans

Infection-Acquired Immunity

School Closures

Collateral Lockdown Harms

Public Health Data and Risk Communication

Epidemiologic Modeling

Therapeutics and Clinical Interventions

Vaccines

Testing and Contact Tracing

Masks

https://www.norfolkgroup.org/

[DrEvil]

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When the product is faulty, causes demonstrable harms, and does not perform as advertised, your comment isn’t applicable.
Those that took these products were deeply misled.

Or is this still in dispute?


Putting aside whether they may be deemed heroes or not, practically no one received proper informed consent, and just about everyone that submitted to these mRNA products in 2021 did so under utterly false pretenses.

Why isn’t the dept of justice going after the FDA, CDC, Pfizer, Moderna right now for false and misleading claims?

Doesn't matter. It was still in dispute when the German nurse was doing it three months after the vaccines became available. She had no clue what decisions and considerations the people she was injecting had made before coming there, and she still decided to make that decision for them. She effectively mandated a no vaccine regime without telling anybody about it.

If she had issues with the vaccines she should either have told people about it (yeah yeah, I know), or refused to administer them. What she shouldn't be doing is lying to people about what she's injecting them with.

[Harvey]

What she shouldn't be doing is lying to people about what she's injecting them with.

Still waiting for you to be as categorical with your own government and almost every other on the same point.

[Belligerent Savant]

We live in a time where a significant percentage of people, if alive in Germany in the early 40s, would have reported Schindler to govt authorities for his brazen acts against govt protocols.

Sympathizers to state power. And they remain in denial of it.


Meanwhile, 3 yrs later, after millions were terminated from their jobs, and livelihoods (and basic human rights) were damaged/ruined, we have this admission from mainstream press:

Immunity acquired from a Covid infection provides strong, lasting protection against the most severe outcomes of the illness, according to research published Thursday in The Lancet — protection, experts say, that’s on par with what’s provided through two doses of an mRNA vaccine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... -rcna71027

"At least as high, if not higher" immunity

Truly, a vile clown world.

On EDIT: per this chart (taken from the Lancet study), prior infection is demonstrably better than any covid 'vaccine':

[Belligerent Savant]

May as well throw this in here as well -- there are dozens similar editorials out there. But not, so far, from the news press.

@JenniferSey
Mom of 4, author of "Levi's Unbuttoned" & "Chalked Up."

They always knew this. It’s been lies all the way down in service of vax uptake (and profits for Pharma). Kids don’t need it, anyone who’s had covid doesn’t need it, anyone who is healthy under 65 doesn’t need it. But that’s a smaller market with less $$ right?

CDC, Public Health, those who followed orders with discriminatory mandates— you’ve wrought what you’ve sown.

https://twitter.com/JenniferSey/status/ ... 63041?s=20