'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:30 am

Belligerent Savant » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:05 pm wrote:.

Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:58 pm wrote:
And really, weather modification? Do you have any idea the kind of energy required to change weather patterns on a global scale over decades? Hint: approximately the total energy output of human civilization, which is manipulating the weather. We call it climate change.

You think if these cunts could create 2km high tornadoes made out of fire not air they'd be bothering with conventional weapons?


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Belligerent Savant » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:51 pm wrote:One other point of clarification: when I initially raised weather modification, I never suggested that such implementations would occur wide-scale, across regions. But as demonstrated by existing documentation of programs and news reporting of actual implementation of such technology, it may be applied within targeted regions, during specific timeframes. Nothing outlandish or groundbreaking in this statement. Such targeted implementation -- if indeed carried out -- can of course influence sentiment.




Weather Modification --- hahahahaha! Dumb tin foil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists!

Next thing they'll say is.... wait, er... what is this? ABC NEWS... hmmmmm:


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OH.


(Insert retorts that will fully subscribe to the front-facing narrative provided, e.g., "well this only proves there's reason for climate ALARM -- they're using weather modification to mitigate disaster! Just as ABC NEWS says.. says so right there, far-right 'climate alarm' denier!")
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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:43 am

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Re-sharing the below ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM that a number of folks here apparently prefer to ignore rather than address soberly.

Belligerent Savant » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:39 pm wrote:Plenty of hyperlinks at source:
https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/the- ... medium=web
The Anti-Industry Industry

What the media won’t tell you about the $4.5 billion-per-year NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex.

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The overwhelming majority of the money involved in the energy and climate debate in the U.S. today is not on the side of traditional energy producers. Instead, the money, the media, and the momentum are clearly on the side of the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex.

In 2021, the revenue for the top 25 NGOs in the anti-industry industry was more than four times the amount collected by NGOs that support the traditional energy sector. Those 25 anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs had total revenue of about $4.5 billion which they used to fund campaigns on climate change, as well as efforts to promote renewable energy, stop the production of hydrocarbons, halt construction of new hydrocarbon infrastructure, prohibit the use of natural gas, oppose nuclear energy, and electrify everything, a move that would require massive increases in electricity production and the size of the electric grid.

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The $4.5 billion sum, which I tallied over the past few weeks by compiling data from Guidestar and ProPublica, is more than four times the amount being raised by the top 25 NGOs that are either pro-hydrocarbon or pro-nuclear. In 2021, the top 25 non-profit associations that represent hydrocarbon producers, the nuclear energy industry—along with their allies in the think tank sector—took in about $990 million, or less than one-fourth of the amount garnered by the top anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs. As can be seen in the graphic above, 14 of the anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs have annual revenues of more than $100 million. By comparison, as can be seen in the graphic below, only three of the NGOs on the other side of the policy divide have revenues of more than $100 million.

Furthermore, the amount of money being collected by the top anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs is soaring. Between 2017 and 2021, the amount of cash being collected by the 25 top NGOs—which includes entities like the Sierra Club and Environmental Defense Fund—has jumped by 155%, going from about $1.8 billion to $4.5 billion.

Don’t expect to read about this vast funding disparity in legacy media outlets. Some of the biggest news organizations in America are peddling a manufactured narrative that the growth of renewable energy is being hindered by “front groups” that are getting money from hydrocarbon producers. In December, in The New Yorker, climate activist Bill McKibben claimed “front groups sponsored by the fossil-fuel industry have begun sponsoring efforts to spread misinformation about wind and solar energy.” But McKibben didn’t bother to name a single such group. Also in December, the New York Times published an article that claimed the opposition to wind projects in Michigan included “anti-wind activists with ties to groups backed by Koch Industries.” But the reporter who wrote the article, David Gelles, didn’t provide any names or any proof of any Koch connections. (Gelles did not reply to two emails asking him for proof of his claim.)

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National Public Radio has published several articles claiming that rural opposition to renewables is being fostered by opponents who are using “misinformation.” Last year, a San Francisco-based reporter, Julia Simon, published an article that claimed: “some of the misinformation comes from groups with ties to the fossil fuel industry, like the Texas Public Policy Foundation.” (2021 revenue: $26 million). But Simon didn’t provide an example to back up her claim.

Why won’t McKibben and NPR report honestly about the rural backlash to the landscape-destroying sprawl of renewable energy or the funding that drives the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex? The answer may be about funding. Since 2019, 350.org, the climate-activist group that McKibben co-founded, (and has about 160 staffers) has received more than $400,000 from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

NPR is feeding at the same trough as the other NGOs. NPR is a non-profit. According to Guidestar, its 2021 revenues totaled $456 million. Last September, NPR announced that it was opening a new “climate desk” that was being funded by “the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, whose funding is helping NPR to add a new Climate Solutions reporter, as well as The Rockefeller Foundation.”

My interest in the anti-industry industry is a continuation of the work I did for my January 26 article, “The Billionaires Behind The Gas Bans,” which is the most popular piece I’ve published on Substack. The numbers presented here are my best effort at collecting accurate data.

Before going further, let me be clear: I am not claiming that my lists of the top 25 NGOs on either side of the energy policy divide are the definitive ones. Some of the NGOs that are pro-hydrocarbon are not pro-nuclear. This week, one prominent pro-nuclear activist reminded me that over the past decade, some pro-hydrocarbon NGOs fought policies that would have helped save nuclear plants from premature closure. Selecting the anti-industry NGOs was also complicated. A keyword search for “climate change” turned up more than 7,500 entries in ProPublica’s Nonprofit Explorer database. For my top 25 lists, I chose the NGOs that I knew about or had the highest profiles.

Let me also be clear about the revenue figures. The numbers are mostly from 2021 and come primarily from Guidestar's free search feature. I also used ProPublica’s free database. (A full subscription to Guidestar costs $2,000.) The numbers are what Guidestar calls “gross receipts.” Those figures may differ from the revenue numbers shown on the Form 990s filed by the NGOs. Thus, the revenue tallies may be somewhat higher, or somewhat lower, than what is shown here.

But even with those caveats, the results are undeniable: the anti-industry industry in America is enormous, its revenues are soaring, and its success in getting local and state governments to adopt anti-hydrocarbon policies is obvious. Indeed, the pro-hydrocarbon and pro-nuclear entities in America are outgunned and outmanned. And when it comes to policymaking, they are getting their collective butts kicked.

Efforts to ban gas stoves are only a small part of a broader agenda that aims to change the fuels we use, where we live, and what we drive. The anti-industry industry has already succeeded in banning the direct use of natural gas in homes and businesses in communities across the country. According to the Sierra Club, 74 communities in California have “adopted gas-free buildings commitments or electrification building codes.” That’s a significant increase over what I reported last month. On January 26, when I published “The Billionaires Behind The Gas Bans,” that number was 69. In September, the California Air Resources Board voted to ban the sale of all natural gas-fired space heaters and water-heating appliances in the state by 2030. In addition, New York City and Seattle, have banned the use of gas in new construction. Massachusetts is rolling out a measure that will allow up to 10 communities to ban gas. But these efforts are only part of what can only be called a radical agenda.

What is that agenda? Consider this statement from the Natural Resources Defense Council, which according to Guidestar has annual revenue of about $415 million. In 2020, it said it would use a $100 million grant from the Bezos Earth Fund to “advance climate solutions and legislation at the state level, [and] move the needle on policies and programs focused on reducing oil and gas production.” Or consider EarthJustice, (2021 budget: $124 million) which says its goals include “End the extraction and burning of fossil fuels...power everything with 100% clean energy...[and] cultivating a zero carbon emissions pollution-free electricity grid by phasing out fossil fuel power generation, eliminating barriers to renewable energy, and more.”

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In short, while their activism is couched in language about climate change and climate justice, the goal of the “climate aristocracy” (a term coined by Decouple podcast host and pro-nuclear activist Chris Keefer) is to shut down the hydrocarbon sector. If the climate aristocracy succeeds in doing so, the results will be staggering increases in energy costs and dangerous decreases in the reliability and resilience of our electric grid.

Indeed, the surge in the size and funding of the anti-industry industry represents a threat to the long-term prosperity of the United States. Its policies are already imposing regressive energy taxes on the poor and the middle class. The anti-industry industry is yet another sign of America’s decadence. It’s an unaccountable parasitic force that employs thousands of lawyers, strategists, pollsters, and fundraisers, many of whom will spend their careers treading the revolving door between academia, media, government, and the NGOs. It relies on technocrats who went to exclusive universities, live in heavily Democratic coastal cities, have never been to Branson, and don’t give a fuck about the people who live in flyover country, wear name tags at work, or turn wrenches for a living.

Demographer and author Joel Kotkin calls these elites the “clerisy.” And they are influencing energy policy at the local, state, and federal levels with budgets that are unprecedented in scope, and in many cases, purposely hidden from public scrutiny.

“This is a class issue on a lot of levels,” Kotkin told me during a recent phone interview. “Climate change is to neo-feudalism what Catholic dogma was in the Middle Ages. It’s a justification for autocracy. The climate agenda plays the same roles today as Catholic dogma did back then. There are things you can’t say because it questions the dogma.”

Kotkin also underscored the fact that hundreds of millions of dollars in funding for the anti-industry industry is coming from some of the world’s richest people (a point that I made in “The Billionaires Behind The Gas Bans”) and that these billionaires—and the groups they are funding—do not represent the broader society. Kotkin said these outcomes were predicted by Daniel Bell in his landmark 1973 book, The Coming of Post-Industrial Society: A Venture in Social Forecasting, which warned that as societies became detached from industrial production, a new group of elites would become detached from the general population. “This is what Bell talked about,” he said. We now have “A class of people with a lot of money who have no connection to the real economy. The price of gasoline and electricity doesn’t matter to them.”

One of the biggest funders of the anti-industry industry is Jeff Bezos. In 2020, the Bezos Earth Fund gave more than $400 million to seven of the groups that are on my list of the top 25 anti-hydrocarbon/anti-nuclear NGOs in America.

The NGO with the biggest climate-related budget is the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, which according to Guidestar had revenue of $823 million in 2021. On its website, the fund states, “In 2023, climate-related grants—including the full Sustainable Development, Democratic Practice–Global Challenges, and China grantmaking programs, as well as portions of our Central America and Western Balkans grantmaking—will constitute just under 50 percent of the Fund’s total grantmaking budget.” It continues, “In November 2022, the RBF board of trustees adopted a plan to spend an additional $100 million to address the climate crisis over the next ten years.”

Also, from the RBF website: “In the 1970s, the Fund began supporting the environmental law movement through grants to the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC). Laurance’s son, attorney Laurance Rockefeller, Jr., worked at NRDC for over 25 years and continues to serve as an NRDC trustee in 2016.”

It’s critical to note that the NRDC has been one of the most vocal anti-nuclear NGOs in America and was a critical player in the premature closure of New York’s Indian Point nuclear plant, a closure that immediately resulted in huge increases in New York consumers’ electric bills and a dramatic increase in the state’s greenhouse gas emissions. Rockefeller entities have also been key funders of the litigation against the oil industry.


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A few more points are relevant here. First, the size of the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex in the United States dwarfs the size of similar entities in Canada, where climate-focused entities are tiny. As can be seen in the chart above, the top five Canadian climate groups have total combined budgets of about C$33 million, which is about $25 million in U.S. currency. Thus, all of those Canadian climate NGOs combined would only amount to a relatively small member of the anti-industry industry in the U.S.

In addition to their advantages in money and media sympathy, the anti-industry industry has other key advantages over the traditional energy sector, and those advantages help explain why it has been so successful in promulgating policies like gas bans. First, the climate clerisy continually sells fear: fear of catastrophic climate change, fear of radiation, and fear of fracking. On that last fear, consider this line from a press release issued by the NRDC in 2020: “We banned fracking in New York and it’s time long past time [sic] to block its waste from poisoning communities.”

The other key advantage held by the anti-industry industry is that it has a far easier chore than what has to be done by traditional energy providers. Electric utilities, cooperatives, drillers, refiners, natural gas producers, gas distributors, and pipeline companies have to deliver molecules and electrons to their customers. And they have to do it every minute of the day, every day of the year, and they have to keep doing it regardless of the policy hurdles that may be put in their way. On the other side, groups like the Sierra Club and Rocky Mountain Institute only have to get their policies adopted by governments.

In short, it’s a lot easier to convince the Berkeley City Council to adopt a ban on natural gas than it is to deliver that fuel and do so reliably and affordably to thousands (or millions) of homes and businesses. Put another way, the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex has launched an asymmetric war against the hydrocarbon and nuclear-energy sectors. And so far it is having undeniable success. The climate aristocracy—from its strongholds in New York City, Washington D.C., San Francisco, and Boston—only has to get policies passed. When it does so, it can return to its deep-pocketed funders and ask for yet more money. The climate aristocrats don’t have to deliver anything of tangible value (tankers of diesel fuel, decatherms of gas, or kilowatt-hours) in the physical world. That helps explain why the traditional energy sector is getting its collective butt kicked in the policy arena.

There is far more to be written about the NGO-corporate-industrial-climate complex and its influence on American energy policy. In a future post, I will focus on the anti-industry industry’s dark money machine.


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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby DrEvil » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:32 pm

Belligerent Savant » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:30 pm wrote:
Belligerent Savant » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:05 pm wrote:.

Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:58 pm wrote:
And really, weather modification? Do you have any idea the kind of energy required to change weather patterns on a global scale over decades? Hint: approximately the total energy output of human civilization, which is manipulating the weather. We call it climate change.

You think if these cunts could create 2km high tornadoes made out of fire not air they'd be bothering with conventional weapons?


My reply:

Belligerent Savant » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:51 pm wrote:One other point of clarification: when I initially raised weather modification, I never suggested that such implementations would occur wide-scale, across regions. But as demonstrated by existing documentation of programs and news reporting of actual implementation of such technology, it may be applied within targeted regions, during specific timeframes. Nothing outlandish or groundbreaking in this statement. Such targeted implementation -- if indeed carried out -- can of course influence sentiment.




Weather Modification --- hahahahaha! Dumb tin foil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists!

Next thing they'll say is.... wait, er... what is this? ABC NEWS... hmmmmm:


Image
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status ... 08868?s=20
[Video Clip at Link]


OH.


(Insert retorts that will fully subscribe to the front-facing narrative provided, e.g., "well this only proves there's reason for climate ALARM -- they're using weather modification to mitigate disaster! Just as ABC NEWS says.. says so right there, far-right 'climate alarm' denier!")


Fuck's sake man. Learn to read. No one said weather modification isn't possible or isn't happening. Cloud seeding has been in use for decades. No one is disputing that.

As for the NGO funding piece: Another elephant that's never mentioned is that the fossil fuel industry got more than one trillion dollars in subsidies worldwide last year alone. No need to spend vast amounts on lobbying (only 120 million and change last year in the US. That's barely enough to buy congress!) when you've already captured all the regulatory bodies that needs capturing.

Anyway, what's there to address soberly? That green initiatives are finally getting the funding they should? OH NO!

If you really want to blow a gasket I recommend you go watch How to Blow Up a Pipeline. It's getting great reviews.
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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:02 pm

You attempt to shift goalposts at each turn.

Yes, weather modification was absolutely disputed by many and continues to be disputed.

‘Green initiatives’ as presented by govt talking heads, WEF, Gates et al. are NOT on the side of humanity, for fuck’s sake, despite your almost comical — if not so tragic — attempts to deflect and contort presentation of what’s actually happening.

Again: ‘net zero’; social credits; ‘carbon footprints’; 15min cities; ESG, and all other related ‘initiatives’ and/or policies being pushed by these demonstrably insidious entities are all epic scams — and overt population control attempts — with no grounding in legitimate science.

Anyone subscribing to or promoting any of these bullshit ‘solutions’ has been hoodwinked, or is a rube or a shill, or is profiting from it.

So-called ‘Green’ solutions require extensive use of gas/traditional fuel emissions in the manufacture, supply chain and mining processes (and much of the end-product material, such as wind turbine blades and much of the materials on solar panels, often can not be recycled properly and are environmental hazards when dispersed as waste). They are also weak and unsustainable substitutes for energy distribution at scale, and will never be able to fully replace other energy sources such as nuclear and hydrocarbons. Again: balance is key, especially at scale.

There is no climate ‘alarm’ as presented by these corrupt entities. There is, indeed, climate change — ever thus.
Irrespective of CO2 levels, there has always been climate change and fluctuations.

There is, of course, pollution and egregious acts against the environment, which needs to be/has been addressed and remedied to some degree but not sufficiently to date, and culprits include entities in the ‘fossil fuel’ industries, perhaps even as primary polluters. But this is wholly separate from the climate ‘alarm’ scam.

The most egregious culprits/emitters of pollution are the uber-wealthy and multi-national corporations, not everyday people. There is absolutely no benefit in curtailing free movement or activities of everyday people, certainly not as forced policy.

This should all be self evident by now.
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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby DrEvil » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:53 pm

Belligerent Savant » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 pm wrote:You attempt to shift goalposts at each turn.


I'll stop if you stop.

Yes, weather modification was absolutely disputed by many and continues to be disputed.


Are you kidding? Cloud seeding has been commercially available for decades. It was first proposed in the late eighteen hundreds. There is still debate over the effectiveness (huh. Maybe it isn't possible to control the weather with this after all), but not the actual seeding, which is happening all over the place and has been for ages (and it still isn't enough to warm up the entire planet).

‘Green initiatives’ as presented by govt talking heads, WEF, Gates et al. Is NOT on the side of humanity, for fuck’s sake, despite your almost comical — if not so tragic — attempts to deflect and contort presentation of what’s actually happening.

Again: ‘net zero’; social credits; ‘carbon footprints’; 15min cities; ESG, and all other related ‘initiatives’ and/or policies being pushed by these demonstrably insidious entities are all epic scams — and overt population control attempts — with no grounding in legitimate science.

Anyone subscribing to or promoting any of these bullshit ‘solutions’ has been hoodwinked, or is a rube or a shill, or is profiting from it.

So-called ‘Green’ solutions require extensive use of gas/traditional fuel emissions in the manufacture, supply chain and mining processes (much of the end-product material, such as wind turbine blades and much of the materials on solar panels, can not be recycled and are environmental hazards when dispersed as waste). They are also weak and unsustainable substitutes for energy distribution at scale, and will never be able to fully replace other energy sources such as nuclear and hydrocarbons. Again: balance is key, especially at scale.


And what is the alternative (to your last paragraph)? Just use the fossil fuels directly? How is that any better? We can use the bad shit to build the good shit so we can reduce our reliance on the bad shit, or we can just keep using the bad shit.

And yes, those things you mention can be recycled. They often aren't, but that's not the same thing, and there are efforts under way to improve the situation. How does that work with fossil fuels?

There is no climate ‘alarm’ as presented by these corrupt entities. There is, indeed, climate change — ever thus, irrespective of CO2 levels, there has always been climate change and fluctuations.


And once again you, entirely without evidence, evidence which I'm getting sick and tired of asking for, dismiss an entire scientific field and the thousands of people worldwide who work in it.

Why is it so hard to understand that it is not change that's the problem, but the rate of change? The planet was a volcanic hellscape billions of years ago, and an ice ball hundreds of millions of years ago, and all sorts of different things over the last four and a half billion years, and it's all completely irrelevant, because human civilization wasn't around at the time.

Human civilization arose in a relatively stable environment, and we're now fucking with that stability (and it's happening at a pace that can't be explained by natural variations). You don't see how that could be a problem? Problems like the record breaking heat wave currently sweeping parts of Asia? I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it happens to be now - the last few years - that we keep breaking heat records every year. Nothing to see here!

There is, of course, pollution and egregious acts against the environment, which needs to be/has been addressed and remedied, and certainly include entities in the ‘fossil fuel’ industries, perhaps even as primary polluters. But this is wholly separate from the climate ‘alarm’ scam. The most egregious culprits/emitters of pollution are the Uber wealthy and multi-national corporations, not everyday people. There is absolutely no benefit in curtailing free movement or activities of everyday people, certainly not as forced policy.

This should all be self evident by now.


What's self-evident is that you still haven't managed to back up your claims about the science. Still waiting. Have you looked at that study from the NASA article I posted? Note: not a NASA study, so just relax, it's safe to read.
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Postby stickdog99 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:12 pm

I'll happily support any measures that actually serve to reduce human carbon and nitrogen emissions in any overall manner that don't result in further centralization of power, wealth and control over the masses nor further restrict the rights of the average individual compared to the rights of the elites who are driving the WEF's Net Zero/15 minute cities/CBDCs/total biosecurity awareness/"You will own nothing and be happy" agenda.

You know, just as soon as gourmet foods, private jets, yachts, and military use of fossil fuels are outlawed for everyone, the rights of travel are equalized for everyone, and none of the elites currently trying to ram these restrictions down all of our throats with the help of their well-meaning army of jackboot ecobiofascists are allowed to offset any of their own "planet choking" emissions with their overflowing treasure chests of CBDCs.

It's just amazing to me how many people are willing to welcome dystopian authoritarian regulations clearly designed to restrict their own rights and quality of life compared to those of elites if only the cause is marketed to them as somehow virtuous. It's millennialism at its most co-opted since perhaps the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. I mean, how can any of our problems have anything to do with the top 0.01% when so many of the bottom 99% of us simply refuse to repent?
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:11 pm

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Yes.

As i stated, and will repeat again: the current climate "alarm" narratives as promoted and presented by the mainstream media, 1st world govts, WEF, Gates, et al., are colossal SCAMS and aggressive attempts to dramatically escalate large-scale control mechanisms broadly (not to mention mass transfers of wealth -- again), to the detriment of everyday humans (this includes the looming CBDC/monetary SCAM, which will compliment the 'social credit' systems under the more dystopian iterations of these plans, if realized).

NONE of these "net zero" bullshit measures will work, AT ALL, to solve whatever climate fluctuations exist today (in large part because CO2 levels are not nearly the drivers of climate change as the bullshit narratives have indicated over the years -- due almost entirely to flawed models -- and also because everyday human pollution/emissions are not the primary drivers behind the levels of CO2. Yes, I typed what I typed).

The sober non-modeled data is out there to assess, but it will require extensive time parsing through the heaps of BULLSHIT out there on this topic.

The notion that the BULLSHIT is so encompassing and pervasive on this topic should NOT, in this current era, come as a far-fetched premise to anyone here at this point.

I mean, it's almost as if we didn't already, just recently, endure a MASSIVE and EGREGIOUSLY DAMAGING, PARADIGM SHIFTING TRANSFER OF WEALTH, LOSS OF LIVES, COERCIVE Policies, Propaganda Campaigns and Measures to Mass-Inject as many humans as possible with experimental, ineffective medical products with demonstrable side effects which include death (for a subset, especially those injected from "hot lots", or those not injected with saline), and CONTINUED Soft Pushes FOR RESTRICTIONS OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS, ALL Due PRIMARILY to EGREGIOUS AND BLATANT LIES under the guise of "The SCIENCE", and "HEALTH MITIGATION", etc.

THEY LIED, EGREGIOUSLY. These were not "mistakes", or "miscalculations", or "GREED", or "HUBRIS" (well, yes, it is all of those things as well at the bureaucratic/lower-levels, but the early/primary drivers had purpose) -- ALL of the worst outcomes that we all collectively experienced were INTENDED, as the initial OVERT Paradigm Shift to a new era of CONTROL attempts. As such, the Covid Measures were by and large a success.

AND YET: millions continue to not only believe the narratives from 2020, but a significant subset refuse to see the events since 2020 for what they clearly are. Many can only acknowledge "failures" rather than sinister intent at the upper levels.

CLIMATE ALARM and Centralized Digital Currency are the next steps towards the above-referenced over-arching objectives for the years ahead.

DrEvil and others are welcome to hyperventilate and scoff to their heart's content.

Time has a tendency to be the best arbiter of the closest approximation to TRUTH.

Let's see what Time will show us, as time passes.

And now: time for me to take a break, minimally from this thread. Won't be checking in for a while.

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:52 am

Belligerent Savant » 21 Apr 2023 01:30 wrote:
Belligerent Savant » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:05 pm wrote:.

Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:58 pm wrote:
And really, weather modification? Do you have any idea the kind of energy required to change weather patterns on a global scale over decades? Hint: approximately the total energy output of human civilization, which is manipulating the weather. We call it climate change.

You think if these cunts could create 2km high tornadoes made out of fire not air they'd be bothering with conventional weapons?


My reply:

Belligerent Savant » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:51 pm wrote:One other point of clarification: when I initially raised weather modification, I never suggested that such implementations would occur wide-scale, across regions. But as demonstrated by existing documentation of programs and news reporting of actual implementation of such technology, it may be applied within targeted regions, during specific timeframes. Nothing outlandish or groundbreaking in this statement. Such targeted implementation -- if indeed carried out -- can of course influence sentiment.




Weather Modification --- hahahahaha! Dumb tin foil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists!

Next thing they'll say is.... wait, er... what is this? ABC NEWS... hmmmmm:


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https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status ... 08868?s=20
[Video Clip at Link]


OH.


(Insert retorts that will fully subscribe to the front-facing narrative provided, e.g., "well this only proves there's reason for climate ALARM -- they're using weather modification to mitigate disaster! Just as ABC NEWS says.. says so right there, far-right 'climate alarm' denier!")


You're comparing cloud seeding to what I was talking about when I mentioned the amount of energy required to change global weather patterns over decades?

If you're going to be that stupid I'm not bothering to respond.

Get back to me when you're not insulting my intelligence.
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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

Postby DrEvil » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:20 pm

Belligerent Savant » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:11 am wrote:.
Yes.

As i stated, and will repeat again: the current climate "alarm" narratives as promoted and presented by the mainstream media, 1st world govts, WEF, Gates, et al., are colossal SCAMS and aggressive attempts to dramatically escalate large-scale control mechanisms broadly (not to mention mass transfers of wealth -- again), to the detriment of everyday humans (this includes the looming CBDC/monetary SCAM, which will compliment the 'social credit' systems under the more dystopian iterations of these plans, if realized).

NONE of these "net zero" bullshit measures will work, AT ALL, to solve whatever climate fluctuations exist today (in large part because CO2 levels are not nearly the drivers of climate change as the bullshit narratives have indicated over the years -- due almost entirely to flawed models -- and also because everyday human pollution/emissions are not the primary drivers behind the levels of CO2. Yes, I typed what I typed).


I take it you didn't look at the studies showing the models are accurate then? And you should head over to Stockholm and grab your Nobel Prize, since you apparently figured out that all the physicists have the absorption spectrum of CO2 wrong. Congratulations!

The sober non-modeled data is out there to assess, but it will require extensive time parsing through the heaps of BULLSHIT out there on this topic.


The sober non-modeled data (aka: observations/measurements) have been assessed, and they match the model predictions, something you still haven't addressed at all, other than hand-waving away a study you mistakenly thought was done by NASA.

The notion that the BULLSHIT is so encompassing and pervasive on this topic should NOT, in this current era, come as a far-fetched premise to anyone here at this point.

I mean, it's almost as if we didn't already, just recently, endure a MASSIVE and EGREGIOUSLY DAMAGING, PARADIGM SHIFTING TRANSFER OF WEALTH, LOSS OF LIVES, COERCIVE Policies, Propaganda Campaigns and Measures to Mass-Inject as many humans as possible with experimental, ineffective medical products with demonstrable side effects which include death (for a subset, especially those injected from "hot lots", or those not injected with saline), and CONTINUED Soft Pushes FOR RESTRICTIONS OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS, ALL Due PRIMARILY to EGREGIOUS AND BLATANT LIES under the guise of "The SCIENCE", and "HEALTH MITIGATION", etc.

THEY LIED, EGREGIOUSLY. These were not "mistakes", or "miscalculations", or "GREED", or "HUBRIS" (well, yes, it is all of those things as well at the bureaucratic/lower-levels, but the early/primary drivers had purpose) -- ALL of the worst outcomes that we all collectively experienced were INTENDED, as the initial OVERT Paradigm Shift to a new era of CONTROL attempts. As such, the Covid Measures were by and large a success.

AND YET: millions continue to not only believe the narratives from 2020, but a significant subset refuse to see the events since 2020 for what they clearly are. Many can only acknowledge "failures" rather than sinister intent at the upper levels.

CLIMATE ALARM and Centralized Digital Currency are the next steps towards the above-referenced over-arching objectives for the years ahead.

DrEvil and others are welcome to hyperventilate and scoff to their heart's content.

Time has a tendency to be the best arbiter of the closest approximation to TRUTH.

Let's see what Time will show us, as time passes.

And now: time for me to take a break, minimally from this thread. Won't be checking in for a while.

Cheers.


No wonder I'm hyperventilating when I'm arguing with you. The amount of dumb shit that comes out of your keyboard is astounding, and as always it's followed by the ritual declaration that you will now take a break so you don't have to actually get your shit together and present a serious argument that's not all lies, ignorance and cherry-picking. How very not surprising. I look forward to seeing you again in a couple of weeks when you return with exactly the same bullshit you left with.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:54 pm

Speaking of time here's a list of Australian Bushfires:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... _Australia

In the 30 years since April 1993 there have been around 50% more serious fires than the 150 years previous and more than twice as many (ie over 100%) more serious fires since April 1963, another 30 years earlier.

I wonder why?
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Postby DrEvil » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:13 pm

My bet is on Jewish space lasers. They're probably on the Moon, which is why we'll never be allowed to return there.

Okay, maybe not, but it makes as much sense as all the other contortions people go through to explain what's staring them in the face. Contortions like: we can control the weather by releasing a few tons of aerosols by plane, but if we release gigatons of CO2 (37 billion tons last year to be exact) every year it has no effect.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:52 pm

I thought cloud seeding caused those fires but maybe I'm wrong about that.

This site has some great work on weather modification, HAARP and the CIA connections to all the stuff that gets spread about them that was done nearly 20 years ago by former posters.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:52 pm

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Joe: your link does not 'prove' that 'climate change' is the cause of the recent increase in fires in Australia. Let alone the wild leap that it's due to human-caused (anthropogenic) climate change. Indeed, there is no proof of human activities directly impacting climate to the point of ALARM outside of models, rhetoric, and/or interpretations of data.

Regardless, if you pay attention to the words I've typed here the last several pages, you'll see that my argument was never that there is no climate change or fluctuations of climate over time. I am not disputing this point. My core issues are with the notion of 'climate ALARM'; that climate change is primarily or even scondarily caused by human-related energy/fuel usage, and I strongly rebuke ANY/ALL climate-related "solutions" offered by most 1st world govts, WEF, Gates, etc. These 'solutions' are part of ongoing efforts to control & subjugate populations while also reaping immense profits for the very few. Needless to say, none of these solutions will actually improve or positively impact fluctuating climate conditions. How can anyone here defend such "solutions"? They are indefensible.

Again, the above is separate and apart from pollution issues and/or proposed efforts/solutions to combat excessive, wasteful pollution.

Can everyone grasp the layers here, or has discourse devolved into facile black/white constructs with some of you?

Those that continue to double down on these 'Climate ALARM' narratives with zero re-assessment or nuance have become dogmatists (or simply: fools), whether such persons choose to see/accept it or not. Climate ALARM IS a SCAM, and is NOT sound science.

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Damned shame this man is no longer among us. The clarity in his descriptions of numerous science-based topics is sorely lacking these days.

A worthwhile listen:

His last couple lines at the end of this video clip --
"...you're not supposed to be hard-headed in science; you're supposed to be ready for the things that you really believe in to turn out NOT to be true, and you're supposed to enjoy that..."
Dr Kary Mullis



Here's another video of him discussing climate change narratives:

⁣CLIMATE HOAX, MILITARY COMPLEX, SOLD OUT SCIENTISTS.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7bJv3BHUrrKJ/

(some may choose to criticize Mullis for his controversial takes -- such as his historical commentary Re: AIDS/HIV -- rather than address his points directly, or otherwise may simply dismiss his thoughts outright. They are within their rights to do so, of course)

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The folly of "net zero" (merely a sampling):

Image

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Get ready to stop using things like: carpet, upholstery, vitamins, tires, plastics, cement, paint, fiberglass, LCD displays, ink, aspirin (etc., etc.) if you subscribe to "net zero".

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/35523.pdf
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:22 am

For every 1 MW of solar panels produced, about 1.4 tonnes of toxic substances (including hydrochloric acid, sodium hydroxide, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, and hydrogen fluoride) and 2868 tonnes of water are used, while 8.6 tonnes of emissions are released.

8.1 tonnes of which are the perfluorinated compounds sulfur hexafluoride, nitrogen trifluoride (NF3), and hexafluoroethane that are thousands of times more potent than CO2.
Other toxic byproducts, such as trichlorosilane gas, silicon tetrachloride, and dangerous particulates from the wafer sawing process, are also produced. Amorphous (thin-film) solar panels are made with cadmium, which is a carcinogen and genotoxin.

PV has a low energy return on energy invested (EROEI) and by 2050 dead solar panels could account for 10% of all e-waste streams, and their cumulative end-of-life waste may be greater than all e-waste in 2018

Recycling requires copious amounts of energy, water, and other inputs, and exposes workers to toxic materials that have to be disposed of.
• • •

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1650 ... 05955.html

Of course, 'fossil fuels' also cause toxic substances and emissions as well.

The key point with the above is that solar panels (and/or windmills or EV) are NOT "clean energy", nor do they satisfy "net zero" given the requirements of coal/carbon-based fuels for manufacture, transport, supply chain, maintenence, etc.
Solar/wind power also can not be sustainable at scale, so not only are they not 'cleaner' they also aren't as efficient, especially with zero added support from traditional energy.

A balance will be key.

(Once more: practically all of these "clean energy" solutions hinges on the current dogma that 'climate change'/CO2 levels are due largely from human-related emissions/activities)

Hydropower has been mentioned here before and should be incorporated more often into conversations around this topic, particularly by those framing policies.
(Along with Nuclear power)

hydropower has to be implemented in a new way and allowing communities themselves to make their own energy from rivers. Hydropower’s contribution is 55% higher than nuclear’s and larger than all other renewables combined, including wind, solar PV, bioenergy and geothermal.

https://twitter.com/teslasworld/status/ ... 29120?s=20

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@maryjeffery3

This whole climate farce takes the focus off of all the things we could do to help the Earth like getting rid of plastics & chemicals that persist in environment, handling garbage & waste in a more effective manner, leaving green spaces for wildlife.

https://twitter.com/maryjeffery3/status ... 73633?s=20

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Another topic that SHOULD BE front of mind Re: "Ecofascism": the increasingly pervasive use of Glyphosate .

Researcher consensus: "Glyphosate is now authoritatively classified as a probable human carcinogen."

That word "probable" sticks out, doesn't it? This bit of obfuscation, taken from a consensus statement from researchers exploring glyphosate-based herbicides in 2016, is one of the reasons so many growers, and consumers, are a bit at odds about glyphosate's role in the food supply.

Following up on our poll last week on glyphosate, where almost 4 out of 5 of you wanted less or no glyphosate use in a regenerative food systems, Think Regeneration dug in and tried to figure out what we know, or don't know, regarding this controversial product.

Quick facts: Glyphosate is the most common herbicide used on the planet, is found in 750 different products, and is used in more than 130 countries on more than 100 different types of crops. Trace amounts were also found in about 70% of our food supply in one study. Removing it from the food supply will be a tremendous undertaking, although 28 countries, and many local governments in the United States, regulate its use.

Other key facts about glyphosate:

• Full confidence: We can say definitively that glyphosate ties up phosphorous and iron in the soil, adding to pollution from farm runoff, and requiring farmers to use more fertilizer for plant nutrition. The picture shows how glyphosate use can diminish the root development of a plant—the plant on the left was treated with glyphosate, the one on the right was not. (courtesy Dr. James White).

• Full confidence: Glyphosate has a toxicity that injures aquatic life, and creates glyphosate-resistant weeds. We can say confidently those are two clear negative environmental penalties for its use. Even U.S. EPA's research supports this, despite their allowance of its use.

• Full confidence: Farmers and ranchers using glyphosate but trying to move to a more natural system do not want your moralism. They want your agronomy and your guarantees that if they remove glyphosate from their growing systems, they will not create an avalanche of problems and lose their farms.

• Full confidence: We need to keep working on this, as consumers understandably don't want it in their food supply, and we aren't getting good information about its half-life in the soil or the toxicology in our food.

Here's a link to our easy-to-read research report on glyphosate: https://lnkd.in/gUQxNQyi

You can sign up for our weekly newsletter to receive reports like these: https://lnkd.in/gj3J8JbW

#regenerativeagriculture #glyphosate #research

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 6324352%29

Glyphosate is the most commonly used herbicide in the world and, according to a recent study, it has been found in the urine of 93% of Americans tested. Genetically modified foods like corn, soybeans, canola, and sugar beets contain the highest concentrations of glyphosate, but there’s another source of glyphosate exposure that we should be concerned about.

Articles about glyphosate and grains frequently refer to the herbicide as a desiccant. Desiccants are sprayed on crops right before harvest to kill them and dry them out, making the crop uniformly ready for harvest when the farmer needs them to sell the crop – no need to wait for mother nature. These non-GMO grains will likely have high levels of glyphosate sprayed on them. But organic grains have also tested positive for glyphosate.

https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.co ... glyphosate
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Postby DrEvil » Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:55 pm

Belligerent Savant » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:22 pm wrote:
For every 1 MW of solar panels produced, about 1.4 tonnes of toxic substances (including hydrochloric acid, sodium hydroxide, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, and hydrogen fluoride) and 2868 tonnes of water are used, while 8.6 tonnes of emissions are released.

8.1 tonnes of which are the perfluorinated compounds sulfur hexafluoride, nitrogen trifluoride (NF3), and hexafluoroethane that are thousands of times more potent than CO2.
Other toxic byproducts, such as trichlorosilane gas, silicon tetrachloride, and dangerous particulates from the wafer sawing process, are also produced. Amorphous (thin-film) solar panels are made with cadmium, which is a carcinogen and genotoxin.

PV has a low energy return on energy invested (EROEI) and by 2050 dead solar panels could account for 10% of all e-waste streams, and their cumulative end-of-life waste may be greater than all e-waste in 2018

Recycling requires copious amounts of energy, water, and other inputs, and exposes workers to toxic materials that have to be disposed of.
• • •

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1650 ... 05955.html

Of course, 'fossil fuels' also cause toxic substances and emissions as well.

The key point with the above is that solar panels (and/or windmills or EV) are NOT "clean energy", nor do they satisfy "net zero" given the requirements of coal/carbon-based fuels for manufacture, transport, supply chain, maintenence, etc.
Solar/wind power also can not be sustainable at scale, so not only are they not 'cleaner' they also aren't as efficient, especially with zero added support from traditional energy.

A balance will be key.


Where does it say that these things have to be fueled by carbon-based fuels? All of the above can be powered by other sources. You're completely ignoring the payoff down the line, which is to get away from using carbon-based fuels as much as possible. That will, ironically, require using carbon-based fuels to get there.

(Once more: practically all of these "clean energy" solutions hinges on the current dogma that 'climate change'/CO2 levels are due largely from human-related emissions/activities)


Because they are. There is nothing else that can explain it. All the natural variations are accounted for and have minimal impact, yet you keep insisting on the opposite with no evidence. Just look at the dreaded models, the ones which you, again without any evidence, keep insisting are wrong while ignoring everything I've posted showing they're not: if you run them without human greenhouse gas emissions, just natural influences and variability, the results don't match reality. Global temperature comes out as a flat line with some minor ups and downs due to things like El Nino. If you run them with human greenhouse gas emissions they suddenly line up with reality. That's one hell of a coincidence, don't you think?

Hydropower has been mentioned here before and should be incorporated more often into conversations around this topic, particularly by those framing policies.
(Along with Nuclear power)

hydropower has to be implemented in a new way and allowing communities themselves to make their own energy from rivers. Hydropower’s contribution is 55% higher than nuclear’s and larger than all other renewables combined, including wind, solar PV, bioenergy and geothermal.

https://twitter.com/teslasworld/status/ ... 29120?s=20

----

@maryjeffery3

This whole climate farce takes the focus off of all the things we could do to help the Earth like getting rid of plastics & chemicals that persist in environment, handling garbage & waste in a more effective manner, leaving green spaces for wildlife.

https://twitter.com/maryjeffery3/status ... 73633?s=20

----

Another topic that SHOULD BE front of mind Re: "Ecofascism": the increasingly pervasive use of Glyphosate .

Researcher consensus: "Glyphosate is now authoritatively classified as a probable human carcinogen."

That word "probable" sticks out, doesn't it? This bit of obfuscation, taken from a consensus statement from researchers exploring glyphosate-based herbicides in 2016, is one of the reasons so many growers, and consumers, are a bit at odds about glyphosate's role in the food supply.

Following up on our poll last week on glyphosate, where almost 4 out of 5 of you wanted less or no glyphosate use in a regenerative food systems, Think Regeneration dug in and tried to figure out what we know, or don't know, regarding this controversial product.

Quick facts: Glyphosate is the most common herbicide used on the planet, is found in 750 different products, and is used in more than 130 countries on more than 100 different types of crops. Trace amounts were also found in about 70% of our food supply in one study. Removing it from the food supply will be a tremendous undertaking, although 28 countries, and many local governments in the United States, regulate its use.

Other key facts about glyphosate:

• Full confidence: We can say definitively that glyphosate ties up phosphorous and iron in the soil, adding to pollution from farm runoff, and requiring farmers to use more fertilizer for plant nutrition. The picture shows how glyphosate use can diminish the root development of a plant—the plant on the left was treated with glyphosate, the one on the right was not. (courtesy Dr. James White).

• Full confidence: Glyphosate has a toxicity that injures aquatic life, and creates glyphosate-resistant weeds. We can say confidently those are two clear negative environmental penalties for its use. Even U.S. EPA's research supports this, despite their allowance of its use.

• Full confidence: Farmers and ranchers using glyphosate but trying to move to a more natural system do not want your moralism. They want your agronomy and your guarantees that if they remove glyphosate from their growing systems, they will not create an avalanche of problems and lose their farms.

• Full confidence: We need to keep working on this, as consumers understandably don't want it in their food supply, and we aren't getting good information about its half-life in the soil or the toxicology in our food.

Here's a link to our easy-to-read research report on glyphosate: https://lnkd.in/gUQxNQyi

You can sign up for our weekly newsletter to receive reports like these: https://lnkd.in/gj3J8JbW

#regenerativeagriculture #glyphosate #research

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 6324352%29

Glyphosate is the most commonly used herbicide in the world and, according to a recent study, it has been found in the urine of 93% of Americans tested. Genetically modified foods like corn, soybeans, canola, and sugar beets contain the highest concentrations of glyphosate, but there’s another source of glyphosate exposure that we should be concerned about.

Articles about glyphosate and grains frequently refer to the herbicide as a desiccant. Desiccants are sprayed on crops right before harvest to kill them and dry them out, making the crop uniformly ready for harvest when the farmer needs them to sell the crop – no need to wait for mother nature. These non-GMO grains will likely have high levels of glyphosate sprayed on them. But organic grains have also tested positive for glyphosate.

https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.co ... glyphosate


Glyphosate can get fucked, so there's at least one thing we can agree on. Now if you'd only stop denying basic science we'd be halfway to seeing things the same way.

Edit: from your previous post:

(some may choose to criticize Mullis for his controversial takes -- such as his historical commentary Re: AIDS/HIV -- rather than address his points directly, or otherwise may simply dismiss his thoughts outright. They are within their rights to do so, of course)


You mean like you completely dismissed a study on the accuracy of the models because the article I linked was on a NASA website?

Also, the image showing all the products made from petroleum-based feedstocks leaves out one important thing: using petroleum as a raw material isn't the issue, burning it is.
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