Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[DrEvil]

And yes, I've had covid thank you very much, but I haven't recovered from it yet over a year later, and probably won't, because it's not getting any better. Walking up the stairs or taking a shower now leaves me gasping for breath. It's fun, you should try it.

Yes or no: did this happen before your 'vaccination'?

And this is why I'm not interested in arguing with people in this thread. It's all vaccine, all the time. The possibility that it could be anything else is heresy. It's like people convinced themselves that since the vaccines are bad then the virus can't be.

To answer your question: long after. I got sick, had a bad cold/mild flu for a few days plus a few more days of feeling groggy, then got better, except for my lungs that stayed exactly as shit as they were when I was sick. There's been a noticeable downgrade.

[DrEvil]

Do you ever consider updating the bullshit memes you've posted on a once vibrant discussion board (with actual discussion) when proven wrong by mainline news, or is it just that no one who cares is around and engaged enough anymore to challenge the BS you throw around this playground so you don't even bother even checking in on your narratives?

Awww. Did I hit a mRNA damaged nerve or something?

The only reason this message board does not contain any vibrant discussion on COVID anymore is because of the extreme cognitive dissonance of all the "good liberals" who heartily endorsed trashing civil liberties because of their outsized fears of a respiratory illness that they have by now all contracted and recovered from ay least once if not several times despite the 5 talismanic Big Pharma injections they clamored for Big Brother to force on everyone around them for no reason.

Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

I can only speak for myself, but the main reason I don't participate in this thread any more is because you and BelSav steam-roll even the tiniest hint of disagreement with your narrative. You've taken over the entire discussion, and dissent is not tolerated. You two have pretty much chased away anyone who don't see things exactly the same way you do. And the memes are fucking annoying. They don't hit a nerve, they're just bad, and they make it seem like you're more concerned with telling people "I told you so" and feeling good about yourself than anything else.

No, the main reason you don't participate in this thread anymore is because you have nothing whatsoever to say. At all.

Please prove me wrong. For two years now, I have not had a single honest conversation with a single person who ever supported lockdowns, school closings, small business closings, travel restrictions, or vaccine mandates. Every single one of those people, including every doctor I work with, has done nothing other than seek to censor me or, barring that, has refused to engage with me. Have I baited people here? Damn right I have. Has anyone had the courage to converse honestly? Not a solitary soul.

Do I or do I not have the right to express my honest views on this issue?

I have plenty to say, I'm just not bothering to do it because I know there's no point. Arguing with BelSav in the climate thread is about as much frustration as I can handle. And of course you have the right to express your honest views, I just happen to think you're incapable of having an honest discussion (like the Tweet above) so I'm not going to engage. Last time I tried you spent several pages insisting I said something I didn't.

[Harvey]

It's all vaccine, all the time... long after.

Is this level of incuriosity at all scientific?

[stickdog99]

Yes, it's all my fault that everybody who ever supported gutting civil liberties and unquestioningly worshipping experimental injections now has nothing whatsoever to say about COVID.

That's everybody's story, and they are all sticking to it!

How dare I try to make all of these teeming millions confront their cognitive dissonance now that COVID-19 and the vaccines' non-effect on COVID-19 are the same as ever, but for some strange reason they are no longer chastising their neighbors for leaving their homes, sending their kids to school, visiting their friends and family, running their small businesses, playing and watching music, not wearing masks, and especially not getting the useless injections that Big Brother (who only loves us) so righteously forced on them.

Look, if you have not recovered from COVID, you should try glutamine, NAD and/or NMN, Vitamin K2, quercetin, bromelein, and nattokinase, I also recommend olive leaf and some sort of berberine like Oregon grape root, What do you have to lose?

Here is an article with several more recommendations.

I hope you get better soon.

[Grizzly]

BREAKING: CDC Director Rochelle Walensky has suddenly resigned.
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/rochelle-walensky-resigns-cdc-covid-emergencies-end/
Damn, at first glance i thought it said „suddenly died“
oh well my bad but I’m sure the BBQ in hell will have a seat reserved for her.

Bye asshoe

[tron]

recently i have thought you are all using chat GPT to formulate your arguments, but then, im not sure, we just witnessed mass hearding of people, its no longer about china or usa, there are no countries anymore, for some at least, corporations are countries, the money is making the plays, its like turf wars in the hood but the hood is a rock flying through space, i dont think depopulation agenda was the idea but unleashing mrna technology might be the answer, dont fancy it myself, the trick was to listen to the language used to control you(very manipulative, you need this to save your granny, if you dont do this children will die)

[Grizzly]

https://magspress.com/chelsea-clinton-its-time-to-force-jab-every-unvaccinated-child-in-america/

[Harvey]

^ From the same magazine:

https://magspress.com/australia-doctor-files-new-class-action-lawsuit-against-govt-over-vaccine-injuries/

Australia: Doctor Files New Class Action Lawsuit Against Govt Over Vaccine Injuries

A landmark covid vaccine injury class action lawsuit has been filed against the Australian government and the medicines regulator.

Both the Australian government and the pharmaceuticals agency are being sued over injuries sustained from receiving the experimental covid vaccine.

The nation-wide suit which was filed in the New South Wales Federal Court on Wednesday has 500 complainants, including the three named applicants, and seeks redress for those left injured or bereaved by the jabs.

One of the applicants, who suffered a severe heart condition after getting the Pfizer jab, claims there was a ‘cover-up’ during the vaccine rollout which hid the potential risks, the Daily Mail reported.

The lawsuit was organised by Queensland GP Dr Melissa McCann, a general practitioner from Queensland.

Dr McCann tweeted: “These injured and bereaved have suffered immense loss, pain, and grief. Just as heartbreaking has been the gaslighting and silence, which has left them feeling abandoned. We cannot simply ‘move on’ from COVID and leave them behind”

Thank you for sharing this news @RefugeOfSinner5 These injured and bereaved have suffered immense loss, pain and grief. Just as heartbreaking has been the gaslighting and silence, which has left them feeling abandoned. We cannot simply 'move on' from covid and leave them behind. https://t.co/TSxqYaqtOf
— DrMelissaMcCann (@drmelissamccann) April 26, 2023

The plaintiffs allege that they were injured, had to pay for medical bills, and lost money because of the government’s “negligent or wrongful” promotion of the use of COVID-19 vaccines.

“The action will argue that the Therapeutic Goods Administration [TGA] did not fulfil their duty to properly regulate the COVID-19 vaccines, resulting in considerable harm and damage to Australians,” said Natalie Strijland from NR Barbi Solicitor.

“The claim now proceeds upon the basis that the government, in fact, acted negligently in approving the vaccines and also by failing to withdraw them after approval based upon the known evidence,” Strijland said.

“Australians who have experienced a serious adverse event following COVID-19 vaccination are invited to step forward and register for this class action.”

Epoch Times reported:

The Australian government operates a vaccine injury compensation scheme that has, thus far, paid out over $7.3 million (US$4.87 million) to 137 claimants. It has received 3,501 applications and is progressing with 2,263, according to figures obtained by news.com.au.

The Department of Social Services has previously estimated the government could be liable for a payout of $77 million (US$49.35 million).

Lawyers assisting patients have noted the challenges with navigating the scheme.

“We’ve had just under 350 inquiries about adverse outcomes, and they have been extremely varied, but most of them have a condition that has some ongoing impact. Not many seem to fit within the criteria of the six categories,” personal injury lawyer Clare Eves told The Epoch Times previously.

Meanwhile, in response to the class action, the Australian Department of Health said, “The department is aware of a proceeding commenced today in the Federal Court of Australia by applicants represented by NR Barbi Solicitor Pty Ltd. As the matter is before the court, it is inappropriate to comment further.”

Back in December, former Australian Medical Association President Dr. Kerryn Phelps broke her silence about the “devastating” side effects she and her wife experienced after receiving the Covid vaccine. She criticized regulators for their attempts to control the public by threatening the doctors.

Professor Kerryn Phelps was an outspoken advocate of mass Covid vaccinations for both adults and kids.

She participated in multiple interviews and panels pushing the vaccine.

The nationally-renowned doctor and marriage equality advocate revealed that both she and her wife had suffered serious and ongoing injuries as a result of Covid vaccines, according to News.com.

She said the true number of adverse events is much greater than reported, citing underreporting and “threats” from medical authorities.

She pleaded for an Australian parliamentary committee to examine dangers of the mRNA vaccines on Monday. Their risks go far beyond their known dangers of myocarditis, and both she and her wife personally suffered long-term side effects following their Pfizer jabs, she said.

In an explosive submission to Parliament’s Long Covid inquiry, Phelps stated, “This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet, while under observation by myself, another doctor and a registered nurse at the time of immunisation.”

[Joe Hillshoist]

^ From the same magazine:

https://magspress.com/australia-doctor-files-new-class-action-lawsuit-against-govt-over-vaccine-injuries/

Australia: Doctor Files New Class Action Lawsuit Against Govt Over Vaccine Injuries

A landmark covid vaccine injury class action lawsuit has been filed against the Australian government and the medicines regulator.

Both the Australian government and the pharmaceuticals agency are being sued over injuries sustained from receiving the experimental covid vaccine.

The nation-wide suit which was filed in the New South Wales Federal Court on Wednesday has 500 complainants, including the three named applicants, and seeks redress for those left injured or bereaved by the jabs.

One of the applicants, who suffered a severe heart condition after getting the Pfizer jab, claims there was a ‘cover-up’ during the vaccine rollout which hid the potential risks, the Daily Mail reported.

The lawsuit was organised by Queensland GP Dr Melissa McCann, a general practitioner from Queensland.

Dr McCann tweeted: “These injured and bereaved have suffered immense loss, pain, and grief. Just as heartbreaking has been the gaslighting and silence, which has left them feeling abandoned. We cannot simply ‘move on’ from COVID and leave them behind”

Thank you for sharing this news @RefugeOfSinner5 These injured and bereaved have suffered immense loss, pain and grief. Just as heartbreaking has been the gaslighting and silence, which has left them feeling abandoned. We cannot simply 'move on' from covid and leave them behind. https://t.co/TSxqYaqtOf
— DrMelissaMcCann (@drmelissamccann) April 26, 2023

The plaintiffs allege that they were injured, had to pay for medical bills, and lost money because of the government’s “negligent or wrongful” promotion of the use of COVID-19 vaccines.

“The action will argue that the Therapeutic Goods Administration [TGA] did not fulfil their duty to properly regulate the COVID-19 vaccines, resulting in considerable harm and damage to Australians,” said Natalie Strijland from NR Barbi Solicitor.

“The claim now proceeds upon the basis that the government, in fact, acted negligently in approving the vaccines and also by failing to withdraw them after approval based upon the known evidence,” Strijland said.

“Australians who have experienced a serious adverse event following COVID-19 vaccination are invited to step forward and register for this class action.”

Epoch Times reported:

The Australian government operates a vaccine injury compensation scheme that has, thus far, paid out over $7.3 million (US$4.87 million) to 137 claimants. It has received 3,501 applications and is progressing with 2,263, according to figures obtained by news.com.au.

The Department of Social Services has previously estimated the government could be liable for a payout of $77 million (US$49.35 million).

Lawyers assisting patients have noted the challenges with navigating the scheme.

“We’ve had just under 350 inquiries about adverse outcomes, and they have been extremely varied, but most of them have a condition that has some ongoing impact. Not many seem to fit within the criteria of the six categories,” personal injury lawyer Clare Eves told The Epoch Times previously.

Meanwhile, in response to the class action, the Australian Department of Health said, “The department is aware of a proceeding commenced today in the Federal Court of Australia by applicants represented by NR Barbi Solicitor Pty Ltd. As the matter is before the court, it is inappropriate to comment further.”

Back in December, former Australian Medical Association President Dr. Kerryn Phelps broke her silence about the “devastating” side effects she and her wife experienced after receiving the Covid vaccine. She criticized regulators for their attempts to control the public by threatening the doctors.

Professor Kerryn Phelps was an outspoken advocate of mass Covid vaccinations for both adults and kids.

She participated in multiple interviews and panels pushing the vaccine.

The nationally-renowned doctor and marriage equality advocate revealed that both she and her wife had suffered serious and ongoing injuries as a result of Covid vaccines, according to News.com.

She said the true number of adverse events is much greater than reported, citing underreporting and “threats” from medical authorities.

She pleaded for an Australian parliamentary committee to examine dangers of the mRNA vaccines on Monday. Their risks go far beyond their known dangers of myocarditis, and both she and her wife personally suffered long-term side effects following their Pfizer jabs, she said.

In an explosive submission to Parliament’s Long Covid inquiry, Phelps stated, “This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet, while under observation by myself, another doctor and a registered nurse at the time of immunisation.”

The epoch times is pretty sus. You should always check what they say very carefully. They're even worse than the MSM.

On the other hand Karen Phelps has loads of cred and is always worth listening to.

I had two vaccine doses in 2021, the AZ vaccine (which isn't an mRNA one fwiw) and I'd do it again in the same circumstances. With the benefit of hindsight I probably wouldn't but everything is easy to figure out with hindsight, ie it isn't the same circumstances. Obviously once Omicron was identified and its mechanisms sussed out by the Gupta group at Cambridge the whole situation changed.

You and a few other people never listened to a single word I typed in this thread. Youse just filed what i typed in the category "pro vax" and ignored any nuanced discussion of the situation. Its no different to the "other side" that you've constantly criticised.

I doubt they'll win this case. The government was in no position to not promote vaccines. While its use and trust of Pfizer might be negligent it probably won't be and it won't be wrongful.

Back when covid started a business sent someone from Australia to the US on a plane and gave them masks and instructions to wear them on the plane. Witnesses said they didn't wear them - so they ignored those instructions. That person got covid and died and their family sued the business under OH&S provisions in Australian courts.

The family won and the business lost. And as a result every business in the country began mandating vaccines for workers and customers when they became available the following year. When I mentioned all this in the thread youse all ignored it but that court case meant that every business and the government now had a duty of care to do everything they could that was reasonable to prevent covid transmission. This includes "mandatory" vaccination. IE if you employed people who weren't vaccinated and they caused someone to die of covid or got covid in the workplace then you as the business owner were responsible. This is actually a good thing. Its the result of years of ongoing attempts to make workplaces safe for workers and force business owners to protect their workers despite the cost to their profits of worker safety.

And in reality vaccines weren't mandatory. You weren't forced to have them but you just couldn't operate in society without them, so they were effectively mandatory even tho there was no law saying everyone had to be jabbed. Also, people still had access to fake vaccine certificates and similar stuff so if people wanted to not get vaccinated they could if they took a tiny bit of time to get around the system. I have plenty of friends who did exactly that.

Its a subtle but important distinction.

They may win but they'd have to show the government was aware of how sketchy Pfizer's product was beforehand.

[DrEvil]

It's all vaccine, all the time... long after.

Is this level of incuriosity at all scientific?

If I had told you I suffered from a vaccine injury, would you have questioned it?

[Harvey]

If I had told you I suffered from a vaccine injury, would you have questioned it?

How does that explain your pathological lack of interest in whatever happened to you?

[Harvey]

Why come here to belittle people armed with nothing more than this bollox for an argument? Nuance my arse Joe.

I doubt they'll win this case. The government was in no position to not promote vaccines.

Nonsense. There has never been a vaccine for a respiratory virus, as far as I know. That was sufficient reason. The then available evidence on Covid was a second sufficient reason. The record of the pharmaceutical companies themselves is a third sufficient reason. All the available trial data was a fourth sufficient reason. And so on. Etc.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Why come here to belittle people armed with nothing more than this bollox for an argument? Nuance my arse Joe.

I doubt they'll win this case. The government was in no position to not promote vaccines.

Nonsense. There has never been a vaccine for a respiratory virus, as far as I know. That was sufficient reason. The then available evidence on Covid was a second sufficient reason. The record of the pharmaceutical companies themselves is a third sufficient reason. All the available trial data was a fourth sufficient reason. And so on. Etc.

It wasn't in any position not to. What if the state Governments in Australia had done nothing and every private business or public workplace had made the same decision to cover their arse after that court decision?

How would it have been different? it wouldn't have been. It would have been exactly the same. Every private premisis and public workplace that mandated vaccines would still have mandated them. There were businesses that didn't and made a point of publicising the fact too.

Australia could have got thru covid without having to lock down either.

All we had to do was quarantine arrivals in the concentration camps we built for refugees instead in hotels in the middle of Australian cities and set up stricter protocols around the arrival of goods into the country. But we didn't do that. Altho when we eventually opened up the country to the rest of the world again we'd have faced massive outbreaks exactly like the massive outbreaks we had when we ended our lockdowns at the end of 2021;

There are flu vaccines. Flu is a respiratory virus and there are people who swear by the flu vaccine, I play darts with someone who reckons they've never even had a cold since they started having flu shots. So there are vaccines for respiratory viruses.

The then available evidence on covid was used in that court case I keep referring to btw. The evidence on covid has changed over the last 3.5 years and Australian governments seem to have reacted to it. Which is why boosters are recommended but not mandated and lockdowns have ended.

I agree with you about the record of big Pharma and if you'd actually read my posts about that instead of arguing with a phantom in your head then you'd have seen that. this is just what happens when you try to run your medical system along capitalist lines instead of socialist ones tho. No big surprise there.

Finally all the evidence from trials was released and controlled by ... well we're talking about Pfizer here aren't we. So they released their evidence and it wasn't until an investigation by the BJM around the time mandates and lockdowns started ending that investigation was published. However as the evidence about heart issues became available then governments, especially in Northern Europe changed their policies, especially wrt young people and in particular mRNA vaccines.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Flu 'vaccines' (typically referred to as 'flu shots') are generally acknowledged to be modestly/minimally 'effective' and may hasten flu symptoms for some. I never got a flu shot and got the flu once, years ago. Of course results will vary per individual (a key point about ANY medical intervention: there is never a 'one size fits all' remedy, and per Harvey's point, there is NO sterilizing vaccine out there -- never was, likely never will be -- for flu/influenza/coronavirus type pathogens. These points underscore 2 reasons why mandates will always be deeply unethical, though even if they worked as advertised there is never a justification for mandates).

In any event all pre-2020 guidance/recommendations by established health orgs cautioned against broad-scale lockdowns/closures & mandates, particularly for NPIs.

I type the above operating in a hypothetical that covid was exactly as presented to the masses, which it clearly was not (the data and models were manipulated and true harms grossly over-estimated from the onset -- all to justify draconian measures that provided no benefit and only net harms to the commoners. As intended; there's also increasing commentary Re: the role of iatrogenic deaths during that early 'spike' of deaths right around the time lockdowns were implemented as a result of hospital treatment protocols that explicitly called for ventilators + drugs like Remdesivir for inbound patients, which markedly increased potential for death even among the healthy/those without underlying comorbidities. etc).

So when Joe types: "The government was in no position to not promote vaccines" -- the issue is not, at least primarily, 'promotion' of vaccines. The key issues, if not already clear, involved the mandating of vaccines (and the related ostracism, discrimination, otherizing and censoring of those that opted out of mandates, or at least attempted to do so) and broad-scale lockdown measures. And all the unnecessary harms caused, etc.

But I have no interest in repeating what has already been typed many times over the course of this thread. Especially now that even mainstream news sources are calling out the harms of such measures. Below is only 1 news item out of a growing list of examples.


https://twitter.com/hstupak1/status/165 ... 21409?s=20

(The above caption should also explicitly mention Mandates along with Lockdowns)


Of note:

Households are thought to play a major role in community spread of influenza, and there has been a long history of analyzing family households to study the incidence and transmission of respiratory illnesses of all severities. As such, the CDC funded a study of 1,441 participants, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, in 328 households. The study evaluated the flu vaccine’s ability to prevent community-acquired influenza (household index cases) and influenza acquired in people with confirmed household exposure to the flu (secondary cases). Transmission risks were determined and characterized.

In conclusion, the authors state: “There was no evidence that vaccination prevented household transmission once influenza was introduced.”

Furthermore, a systematic review of 50 influenza vaccine studies conducted for the Cochrane Library states: “Influenza vaccines have a modest effect in reducing influenza symptoms and working days lost. There is no evidence that they affect complications, such as pneumonia, or transmission.”

Sources:
Jefferson T, Di Pietrantonj C, Rivetti A, Bawazeer GA, Al-Ansary LA, Ferroni E. Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults. Cochrane Database Sys Rev. 2010 Jul 7;(7):CD001269.
Ohmit SE, Petrie JG, Malosh RE, Cowling BJ, Thompson MG, Shay DK, Monto AS. Influenza vaccine effectiveness in the community and the household. Clin Infect Dis. 2013 May;56(10):1363.

[Belligerent Savant]

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A reminder of some of the sentiment from 2021-2022. This sentiment was not an outlier among certain demographics:

@MarkChangizi
Imagine standing within the mob and screaming out authoritarian garbage like this, versus standing in opposition to it.

https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status ... 80800?s=20