'Liberals'/'Leftists' in America

[Joe Hillshoist]

I agree. We should burn the homeless and mentally ill. The poor should be next.

Frankly if you fall thru the cracks you don't deserve to live anyway and maybe should be hunted on tv for sport and the entertainment of the laptop classes.

We could charge people to take part in the hunts and a small fee like pay er view sport for spectators and that way people who fail to serve the economy properly won't be a drag on economic growth anymore.

[stickdog99]

Swaths of San Francisco have become fentanyl addict hellholes.

Any potential solutions to this issue?

[Belligerent Savant]

I agree. We should burn the homeless and mentally ill. The poor should be next.

Frankly if you fall thru the cracks you don't deserve to live anyway and maybe should be hunted on tv for sport and the entertainment of the laptop classes.

We could charge people to take part in the hunts and a small fee like pay er view sport for spectators and that way people who fail to serve the economy properly won't be a drag on economic growth anymore.

No idea where you got the above absurdist commentary from anything I typed in my prior comments.

Until I reached my 30s, I lived my entire life in the NYC area, in a middle class neighborhood. I'm first generation American; my parents moved to the U.S. with less than $500 in their pockets after they got married. As I got older, I took the NYC subway regularly to get to high school; throughout my teen years and into early adulthood, I rode the subways routinely to get to work (or to visit the city for a variety of reasons).

I was mugged in the subways numerous times, starting in my teens. I've had to defend myself, physically, numerous times (in the subways and elsewhere). I have a few friends and associates that were, in turns, quite poor -- even homeless for periods of times.

No one here is going to put words in my mouth on topics like this without me having something to say about it.

Very few of you (other than JackRiddler, of those that still visit this forum) have ever lived in NYC (or a similar city like SanFran [e.g., stickdog]), do I have that right?

While anyone can opine on any given topic for any given reason, without the lived experience your perspective will be limited.

[DrEvil]

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The fact you consistently employ this oftentimes weak and lazy "the messenger is corrupt, therefore the message is corrupt" form of argumentation displays only your lack of intellectual/investigative rigor.

It's about not posting or promoting white supremacists. He could be extolling the virtues of exercise and a healthy diet for all I care, he's still a white supremacist and can fuck right off.

[DrEvil]

Swaths of San Francisco have become fentanyl addict hellholes.

Any potential solutions to this issue?

Probably not more police.

Healthcare, both physical and mental, housing, job programs/training, etc. Get the people back on their feet instead of locking them up and/or treating them like lepers.

[DrEvil]

I agree. We should burn the homeless and mentally ill. The poor should be next.

Frankly if you fall thru the cracks you don't deserve to live anyway and maybe should be hunted on tv for sport and the entertainment of the laptop classes.

We could charge people to take part in the hunts and a small fee like pay er view sport for spectators and that way people who fail to serve the economy properly won't be a drag on economic growth anymore.

No idea where you got the above absurdist commentary from anything I typed in my prior comments.

Until I reached my 30s, I lived my entire life in the NYC area, in a middle class neighborhood. I'm first generation American; my parents moved to the U.S. with less than $500 in their pockets after they got married. As I got older, I took the NYC subway regularly to get to high school; throughout my teen years and into early adulthood, I rode the subways routinely to get to work (or to visit the city for a variety of reasons).

I was mugged in the subways numerous times, starting in my teens. I've had to defend myself, physically, numerous times (in the subways and elsewhere). I have a few friends and associates that were, in turns, quite poor -- even homeless for periods of times.

No one here is going to put words in my mouth on topics like this without me having something to say about it.

Very few of you (other than JackRiddler, of those that still visit this forum) have ever lived in NYC (or a similar city like SanFran [e.g., stickdog]), do I have that right?

While anyone can opine on any given topic for any given reason, without the lived experience your perspective will be limited.

That's not the issue, but that you posted an article that can be summed up as "more police and more locking up mentally ill people", instead of things like what I wrote in my reply to Stickdog above, plus the mistaken belief that "defund the police" means "no police", which is nonsense. It means "don't use police for non-police emergencies". They're not trained to deal with mental illness. They're a hammer, so everything looks like a nail. Defund the police wants more tools to deal with different situations instead of the default send in the shock-troopers first and deal with the fallout later.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I agree. We should burn the homeless and mentally ill. The poor should be next.

Frankly if you fall thru the cracks you don't deserve to live anyway and maybe should be hunted on tv for sport and the entertainment of the laptop classes.

We could charge people to take part in the hunts and a small fee like pay er view sport for spectators and that way people who fail to serve the economy properly won't be a drag on economic growth anymore.

No idea where you got the above absurdist commentary from anything I typed in my prior comments.

Until I reached my 30s, I lived my entire life in the NYC area, in a middle class neighborhood. I'm first generation American; my parents moved to the U.S. with less than $500 in their pockets after they got married. As I got older, I took the NYC subway regularly to get to high school; throughout my teen years and into early adulthood, I rode the subways routinely to get to work (or to visit the city for a variety of reasons).

I was mugged in the subways numerous times, starting in my teens. I've had to defend myself, physically, numerous times (in the subways and elsewhere). I have a few friends and associates that were, in turns, quite poor -- even homeless for periods of times.

No one here is going to put words in my mouth on topics like this without me having something to say about it.

Very few of you (other than JackRiddler, of those that still visit this forum) have ever lived in NYC (or a similar city like SanFran [e.g., stickdog]), do I have that right?

While anyone can opine on any given topic for any given reason, without the lived experience your perspective will be limited.

Dr Evil already mentioned it but I'm talking about that article where that jerk talks about killing the crazies. This is the sort of shit they used to say in shithouse d grade 80s cop movies.

I lived in Melbourne when it was the meth and amphetamine captial of the western world. But I used to use and deal the shit so i'm probably not the person to ask about public safety, I'm also black so i'm not the person to ask about trusting the cops.

One thing i do know is the US has piss poor social welfare policies and resources devoted to those things so its no wonder crazy people with nothing end up a threat and entire areas of cities end up full of junkies and other addicts.

But my comments were a response to the nazi cunt's article and the comments in it not anything you typed.

[Joe Hillshoist]

de fund the police also means don't givbe them money or equipment for the purposes of militarisation.

Surely no one on this site would ever defend the militarisation of police forces.

[Belligerent Savant]

ok -- noted, Re: the clarification.

The article that suggests "killing the crazies" -- can you or Evil cite where it suggests this, specifically? I may well have missed it or otherwise misread it.

I think we all agree that sentiment* is being 'nudged' and at least to a degree, manipulated, to (once again) garner perpetual division among the commoners.

*while not applicable in this scenario, there are also indicators that certain events are largely manufactured by certain intel entities to sow discord/acts of violence, etc. (in addition to acts of astroturfing and/or infiltrating non-profit/protest orgs to poison wells, etc... variations of COINTELPRO, all discussed at length here in the RI archives).

[liminalOyster]

Swaths of San Francisco have become fentanyl addict hellholes.

Any potential solutions to this issue?

Raging against the mega-machine that has created massive and progressively more dehumanizing wealth inequality, coupled as it is with our race towards a dystopian hell scape - a trajectory on which SF is way ahead of the curve.

Acknowledging how antiquated the idea of labor as a functional prerequisite for simply being allowed to live is and providing a generous UBI in addition to free healthcare along with demilitarization of US society at large while, in the meantime, removing moral stigma of drug use and addiction to create safe sites for usage and shelter.

Most urgently, providing and teaching people how to safely dose and administer pharmaceutical grade pure fentanyl so they can stabilized and be more basely functional, with at least some then choosing to get clean.

[DrEvil]

ok -- noted, Re: the clarification.

The article that suggests "killing the crazies" -- can you or Evil cite where it suggests this, specifically? I may well have missed it or otherwise misread it.

I think we all agree that sentiment* is being 'nudged' and at least to a degree, manipulated, to (once again) garner perpetual division among the commoners.

*while not applicable in this scenario, there are also indicators that certain events are largely manufactured by certain intel entities to sow discord/acts of violence, etc. (in addition to acts of astroturfing and/or infiltrating non-profit/protest orgs to poison wells, etc... variations of COINTELPRO, all discussed at length here in the RI archives).

It doesn't say "kill the crazies", but it argues for more policing, which basically amounts to the same thing. As long as these people are treated as a nuisance that needs to be dealt with instead of people that need our help that won't change.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Liminal touched on some great observations above, but I believe there are multiple points of failure* in play leading to current circumstances (as alluded by Liminal).

* "failure" is way too generous a descriptor, as it implies attempt to do good.

Lack of compassion/empathy for others was actively, overtly and brazenly incentivized/advocated by govts/health orgs worldwide — some entities were more egregious than others — over the last few years. Treating humans as burdens/disease vectors/objects to be discarded (or euthanized: see Canada) is now becoming more openly endorsed by authorities/bureaucrats. Unfortunately more than a fair amount of those that self-identify as ‘leftists’/‘progressives’ actively participated in sentiment/rhetoric like this, so very few on either end of establishment Left/Right have the moral high ground anymore.

More policing in and of itself is not an issue, but the directives, procedures and M.O. of police forces, as handed down by those high up the chains, often exacerbate problems.

Mass redistribution of wealth and the incremental added hurdles/difficulties in ‘upward mobility’ for the average citizen all compound these problems. There was a time when a middle-class worker was able to afford living in NYC (up until the mid 80s or so). Now the middle classes are struggling to get by even outside expensive urban centers.

Barely scratching the surface with these examples, of course.

[stickdog99]

Yep. SF is definitely "ahead of the curve" when it comes to grotesque displays of wealth inequality.

[Joe Hillshoist]

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Liminal touched on some great observations above, but I believe there are multiple points of failure* in play leading to current circumstances (as alluded by Liminal).

* "failure" is way too generous a descriptor, as it implies attempt to do good.

Lack of compassion/empathy for others was actively, overtly and brazenly incentivized/advocated by govts/health orgs worldwide — some entities were more egregious than others — over the last few years. Treating humans as burdens/disease vectors/objects to be discarded (or euthanized: see Canada) is now becoming more openly endorsed by authorities/bureaucrats. Unfortunately more than a fair amount of those that self-identify as ‘leftists’/‘progressives’ actively participated in sentiment/rhetoric like this, so very few on either end of establishment Left/Right have the moral high ground anymore.

More policing in and of itself is not an issue, but the directives, procedures and M.O. of police forces, as handed down by those high up the chains, often exacerbate problems.

Mass redistribution of wealth and the incremental added hurdles/difficulties in ‘upward mobility’ for the average citizen all compound these problems. There was a time when a middle-class worker was able to afford living in NYC (up until the mid 80s or so). Now the middle classes are struggling to get by even outside expensive urban centers.

Barely scratching the surface with these examples, of course.

Jesus fucken Christ not everything is because of covid. You frame your entire world thru the lens of covid and the shit that went down with it.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Only 1 part of my last comment pertained to the mindsets due to Covid policies, but frankly it’s still a very recent and very germane topic as it exposed much about our broken/corrupt systems, as well as the broad-scale cowardice & hypocrisy of too many.

And still, far too many have yet to fully digest the enormity of the actions/psychology/mindfuck it caused to so many people over the last few years. Far too many (so called ‘liberals’ and ‘leftists’ in particular) prefer to either deny or push it aside, hoping certain behaviors and actions can be forgotten or never raised again.

This is precisely how mass-scale crimes against humanity are repeated.

Covid exposed many that liked to believe they were empathetic, sympathetic, and ‘anti-fascist’ as callous closet-fascists when FEAR turned its head to make them believe they themselves were actually, potentially in positions to be harmed, and they succumbed to the notion that those around them were the direct cause of any would-be harms.

It will never not be appropriate to call this hypocrisy out, repeatedly, until there is ownership of this, as we can’t collectively move forward productively if it simply gets swept under the rug.