US Presidential Election 2024

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:24 pm

Joe Hillshoist » 01 Aug 2023 23:06 wrote:
stickdog99 » 02 Aug 2023 02:05 wrote:Yeah, Australiia should have been on lockdown forever because of a bad flu. And anybody who protested against this in any way should have been censored, debanked, and barred from employment.

That's 21st century collectivist spirit at its finest.

The fact that Australian government policy led to continuing historically high overall mortality rates and low birth rates means only that Australia should have locked down, censored, and persecuted noncompliance far longer and far harder.

That's "liberal" theology that no amount of data on the vastly incredible harms of lockdowns can make a dent in. We all bought in for right reasons, and you obviously can't expect totalitarianism to work unless it is total.


In NSW it was clearly stated that lockdowns would end when 95% of the population had antibodies either from vax or infection. That's what happened.

Even afterward, with greater number in the waves of infection no lockdowns occurred because they'd agreed to that policy and stood by it.

No one ever said Australia should be on lockdown forever and at no point did this happen but you continue to say it did cos you're as bad as the people you are criticising - more interested in spreading propaganda than recognising what happened. Go on why don't you now say that cos I disagree with you I want you to lose your job.


You haven't so much as come to terms with the fact that the "vaccines" were basically useless, and that the lockdowns caused far more harm than good.

It's as if you are still living in 2021, when the data about all this was still iffy. The results are now in. More Australians are dying right now and have been dying since all you idiots did whatever your wonderful leaders (who only had your best interests at heart when they locked you all down and forced you to get injected) told you to do.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:04 am

You keep talking irrelevent shit. Instead of addressing exactly what i said you bring this other crap.

Lockdowns ended nover 18 months ago. Despite ongoing increases in cases of covid etc etc.

There have been no more since then. Plenty of people would happily go thru them again I'm sure but that's not what I said.

What I said was the policy our wonderful leaders (who've since been voted out) made re covid was that when 95% of the population were vaccinated/infected that was it and that's what happened, despite more people being infected since lockdowns ended than ever before.

That's what happened and you appear to be trying to claim something else happened.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:56 am

Joe Hillshoist » 02 Aug 2023 08:04 wrote:You keep talking irrelevent shit. Instead of addressing exactly what i said you bring this other crap.

Lockdowns ended nover 18 months ago. Despite ongoing increases in cases of covid etc etc.

There have been no more since then. Plenty of people would happily go thru them again I'm sure but that's not what I said.

What I said was the policy our wonderful leaders (who've since been voted out) made re covid was that when 95% of the population were vaccinated/infected that was it and that's what happened, despite more people being infected since lockdowns ended than ever before.

That's what happened and you appear to be trying to claim something else happened.


It was all a scam, and the only reason you haven't yet figured this out is that you refuse to look at the data.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:05 pm

Jonathan Cook: Across the West, people are dying in greater numbers. Nobody wants to learn why

Many videos at link above.

There's only one plausible explanation for continuing silence on excess deaths: governments, media and regulators are frightened of what research may uncover

During the pandemic, the challenge for each of us was to maintain critical distance: spurning both the tribalism of those insisting Covid was a hoax and the counter-tribalism of those who demanded complete acquiesence to a corporate-political agenda dictated by Big Pharma under the mantle of “Follow the science”.

Fear of living under Big Brother or of dying from plague drove many people not only into the arms of one of these two oppositional camps but fuelled a pandemic mania in which reason and compassion were replaced with either extreme cynicism or extreme compliance. We are still living with the consequences.

There has been a spate of “excess deaths” over the past two years across the West – well above what would normally be expected – and yet this sustained trend is being universally ignored by governments, establishment media and medical bodies. No one is protesting. The cult of compliance is still in the ascendant.

More on that in a moment.

But it is worth first revisiting briefly the climate of intolerance and willed ignorance that predominated at the height of the pandemic, as I documented in real time in a series of essays that upset more of my readers than any I had written before.

It was always unwarranted to press for vaccine mandates, if only because they violated the critically important principle of bodily autonomy. But the demand became completely unhinged once it was clear – as it was much earlier than publicly let on by Big Pharma, the World Health Organisation and national regulators – that the vaccines were doing little to halt virus transmission.

Similarly, it was always unethical to insist that children should be routinely given the vaccine and boosters when it was evident that the virus posed no threat to the overwhelming majority of them – and all the more so given that the mRNA vaccines were based on a new technology whose development had been rushed through on an emergency licence.

By definition, no one could know the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines on humans because there had been no long-term studies. The science was built on a wing and a prayer, which is part of the reason the Joint Committee on Vaccinations and Immunisation, the British government’s official advisory body on vaccinations, demurred for so long, and despite huge political pressure, on recommending vaccination for children.

And it was always deeply irresponsible to refuse to consider, or even study, other treatments that might have had an impact on the virus. Medical authorities ignored or warned the public off potential prophylactics and immunity-boosting treatments and behaviours – even when those interventions could have complemented the role of the vaccines, rather than serving as an alternative to them.

Nothing could be allowed to dilute the public’s exclusive reliance on vaccinations.

One prize example was Vitamin D, the sunshine hormone that, uniquely, every cell in the human body has a receptor for. Most people in the West are deficient in Vitamin D, many of them severely so, and doctors still have little understanding of what the consequences of that deficiency – beyond osteoporosis – might be.

Even before Covid, there were many studies suggesting that Vitamin D was critical to improving the health of our immune systems, including by warding off and aiding recovery from coronaviruses. That evidence has only grown stronger subsequently.

But definitive proof has been lacking because full-scale controlled studies are extraordinarily expensive and only Big Pharma has deep enough pockets to fund such studies (given that our captured governments refuse to dig deep themselves), but Big Pharma has no interest in proving a cheap hormone like Vitamin D – one it cannot patent or profit from – might offer the public health benefits not only in relation to Covid but for a wide range of chronic health conditions.

The fact that most medical regulators and media commentators continue to prefer to shut down debate about the potential benefits of Vitamin D rather than demand that governments fund research to confirm or refute the growing body of evidence for such benefits should be a scandal. But, predictably, it isn’t.

Blanket silence

I set this out as a preface to this latest scandal on excess deaths, one that – like so much else related to the pandemic and its aftermath – continues to elicit a blanket silence from the establishment media, politicians and, of course, our medical authorities.

The consistent and markedly elevated death rates each month across most of the Western world are not due to Covid and are far above the seasonal five-year average before the pandemic.

Such deaths have been significantly raised since late 2020 or mid-2021. That is all the more surprising because, after early waves of Covid killed off those who were already sick and vulnerable, the expectation was that excess deaths would fall, not rise. That anomaly needs explaining – scientifically.

Despite the backlash inevitably provoked by asking critical questions, I want to examine this development because it highlights something important about the way of our supposedly democratic governments, and the regulatory and adversarial institutions meant to hold them in check, have been hollowed out. We imagine we live in societies where scientific reason and compassion guide our response to a medical crisis. The reality is different. In our societies, one thing rules: money.

The issue of excess deaths is only one of many problems – though probably the most serious – that have emerged in the aftermath of the pandemic. Unless you have made an extraordinary effort to do your own research and managed to evade the internet censors and their algorithms, you will most likely not know about these developments. Neither politicians nor establishment media have publicised them.

Instead troubling data is buried away in obscure, peer-reviewed scientific journals, or has to be squeezed out of government authorities through freedom of information requests – and even then the information is often heavily redacted.

Such data would remain largely unnoticed but for the efforts of a few brave souls daring to draw attention to it – only to be smeared as cranks and crackpots, whatever their formal qualifications.

Dr Campbell, whose Youtube channel became an invaluable internet resource during the pandemic and since (at least for those trying to sift the wheat from the chaff), has done sterling work shedding light on many of those problems.

Some notable videos have covered:

* the mishandling and lack of oversight of Pfizer’s research into its vaccine;
* the astounding admission that Pfizer never actually tested whether its vaccine stopped transmission;
* continuing efforts to obscure evidence demonstrating that natural infection confers superior immunity to the vaccine;
* the troubling discovery that mRNA can remain in the blood for at least a month after vaccination, with no understanding of what it might be doing in that time to our immune systems;
* high variation in adverse reactions caused by different batches of mRNA vaccine, with some off the scale;
* the involvement of US researchers and Pfizer in engineering Frankenstein’s monster-type coronaviruses of the very kind that, it increasingly seems, led to the Covid pandemic in the first place;
* new research demonstrating the lack of evidence for reduction in virus transmission from masking;
* the failure of policymakers to weigh the serious financial, social and possibly medical costs of lockdowns;
* and a causal connection, confirmed by the WHO, between vaccination and the development of autoimmune disease like multiple sclerosis.

There is doubtless much worse, but we cannot learn of it – at least from qualified sources – because any effort to discuss it publicly will almost certainly result in banning by the corporations that run social media, our modern town squares.

For his efforts shining a light into the darkest recesses of the West’s pandemic response, Dr Campbell has been pilloried by the tribe that still identifies with Big Pharma. Arrogantly, they dismiss him as a glorified “nurse”, even though he has written widely read and authoritative medical textbooks.

More to the point, the smears are designed to distract from the fact that, more often than not, Dr Campbell is not speaking for himself but relaying in intelligible language the findings of peer-reviewed studies or interviewing respected experts in their field to draw attention to their work.

Complete mystery

Nonetheless, the issue of unexplained excess deaths is an order of magnitude more serious than even these other matters, which is why Dr Campbell has dedicated so many of his videos to discussing it.

Many, many thousands more people, including young people, are now dying each month across the Western world (where such data is reliably collected) than should be, compared to previous years. And they are dying for entirely mysterious reasons.

Yet:

* This deeply troubling phenomenon barely merits a mention from politicians, the media or medical authorities.
* Governments are failing to fund research to determine the causes of these extra deaths, even though the rates have been elevated for two years or more.
* This reckless, self-imposed climate of ignorance is being sustained even as expert medical bodies warn that we face future pandemics.

It is almost as if Western governments prefer to let large numbers of people die unnecessarily, and potentially at great cost to health care services, rather than learn the truth. It seems these governments are quite happy, if they believe another pandemic is on the way, to risk repeating any mistakes they made during Covid that may have caused those excess deaths.

In a world where we are supposed to “follow the science”, how can that possibly be the case? What is going on?

If we try to understand why a blind eye is being turned to the shocking data showing a sustained and unexplained rise in deaths, it is hard not to arrive at one, and only one, conclusion.

Governments, establishment media and the medical regulators are frightened. They are scared of what they may discover if the research is carried out.

And that suggests something further. That these are not groups with their own discrete or competing interests and agendas.

The media, whatever it claims, is not a watchdog on government or the medical establishment. It colludes with them against the public. In fact, the corporate interests of all three are closely aligned.

Why? Because the government is captured by Big Business. Because the medical authorities are funded by Big Pharma, which can make or break careers. And because the media is owned by billionaires, and serves as little more than the public relations arm of concentrated wealth and as cheerleader for a neoliberalism that normalises the criminal profiteering of drug manufacturers like Pfizer.

Cultivated ignorance

Before I continue further, let me state unequivocally – because sadly, these things need emphasising in our ever-more tribal, polarised societies – that I have no idea what is causing this wave of excess deaths.

The point of this piece is not to pre-judge the matter or adopt a tribal position.

Rather, I’m trying de-tribalise your and my own thinking so that we can better understand why our governments and medical agencies prefer that no research is conducted, and why our establishment media chooses not to expose this glaring failure.

Dr Vibeke Manniche, a member of the Danish medical team whose peer-reviewed research showed that some batches of the mRNA vaccine caused off-the-scale adverse reactions, believes there are likely to be an array of contributory factors. That sounds right to me.

Her team are now undertaking as their next project an investigation into the mysterious rise in deaths. It is their private initiative, rather than research funded, organised or assisted by the Danish government. In fact, according to Dr Manniche, Danish authorities have been throwing obstacles in their way.

But why are these authorities so afraid?

The answer is simple. They suspect that any research will implicate them in those excess deaths. They are frightened – rightly or wrongly – that the narrative they constructed around the pandemic, and the powers they accrued to themselves, will unravel.

The reason they are in no hurry to find out why so many extra people are dying is because they fear that significant contributory factors are either the lockdown policies they imposed or the side-effects of the vaccines they championed – or both.

Again, I’m not saying that is what I think. I have no expertise to evaluate all the possible causes, including the ongoing erosion of socialised health care in much of the Western world and its transfer to yet more corporate profiteers – for which our governments are undoubtedly responsible.

But governments and medical regulators have access to the same data and graphs as Dr Manniche, showing a relentless and near-identical rise in excess deaths beginning in spring 2021 in Denmark, Norway and Finland, in the immediate wake of the mass vaccine rollout. Similar graphs are available for other Western states.

The inference that there is a connection between the vaccines and excess deaths may be wrong. But it is not a hypothesis they wish to test. The consequences are far too serious for them. They would rather enforce general ignorance, or perpetrate a deception on the public, than risk undermining their own authority – and the crucial levers they control both to sustain their privileges and to further concentrate their wealth.

There are some uncomfortable lessons here for us all.

The truth is Western governments – all of them – dare not test the evidentiary basis for their insistence on lockdowns and experimental vaccines as the only way out of the pandemic. They dare not do so in the full glare of public scrutiny for fear that the truth will not serve them, and more likely will damage them. So they cultivate public ignorance.

The truth is that the medical regulatory authorities were long ago captured by Big Pharma, and the revolving door it offers, leading to prestigious jobs and lucrative salaries in the industry. So they favour public ignorance too.

The truth is that the media will not hold the feet of governments or the medical establishment to the fire because, whatever the media claim, they are not in the business of enforcing real, systemic accountability. The billionaire-owned media corporations are embedded in the same model of corporate profit as Big Pharma. Indeed, the media’s own corporate profits depend on the advertising and sponsorship of drugs companies – fellow corporations – like Pfizer. So they benefit from public ignorance as well.

World of illusion

We live in a world not, as we are told and tell ourselves, of democratic accountability and transparency. Beyond formal, surface appearances, the system of political, economic and social control is designed to lack all but the most minimal checks and balances, institutional safeguards and oversight.

We live in a world of illusion, of elites that look out for their own, that develop ever more sophisticated technological tools to manipulate and deceive us, and that have progressively rigged the system to accrue to themselves ever more wealth and power.

We are not, as we like to imagine, informed citizens. The system cannot afford to provide us with the information we need to be informed – information that might reveal to us that we have been duped, that the rich steal from the poor to give to themselves, that our rulers have no clue how to fix the biggest problems facing us, aside from lining their pockets with more gold as the ship goes down.

As the last year has demonstrated, our elites had no more idea how to deal with the pandemic than they currently do with the climate crisis, or with the Ukraine war (without risking nuclear conflagration), or with rapid advances in Artificial Intelligence. Faced with the biggest challenges, they are like children – shouting “Follow the Science” or “Green New Deal” to distract the rest of us as they grab as many sweets as they can thrust into their pockets.

For these elites, Covid was a party – quite literally in the case of the British government – in which the biggest corporations not only profiteered but drove small businesses into the ground. Excess deaths are but a hangover, one that must be studiously ignored if the fiction of responsible, accountable, democratic government is to be maintained.

Our world has been carefully constructed to ensure we do not get to peek behind the curtain, to see the con-men at work. Unless we dispel this central illusion – that science, reason and compassion are the forces driving the West – the charlatans will take us with them over the edge of the cliff in their pursuit of suicidal “economic growth” and chimerical “progress”.

UPDATE:

Shortly after I published this essay, Dr Campbell issued a video discussing new data from Western Australia showing that excess deaths increased dramatically from May 2021, well before Covid arrived on Australia’s shores. The vaccine programme, however, had been rolled out a short time before the excess deaths trend began.

Again, I am neither a medical expert nor a statistician, so I will not pass judgment on these findings – apart from to say they further bolster my conclusion that governments need these deaths to remain a mystery and undiscussed.

Anyone who cares not just about truth but about the safety of themselves and their loved ones ought to be demanding that this deeply troubling development – of many tens of thousands of people dying across the West each month above historic trends – be investigated.

What is not needed is more tribal point-scoring. This article has provoked a lot of debate, much of it deflecting from my central concern – that the cause of these deaths must be scrutinised, and the refusal by governments to do so should be understood in a political context – towards medical debates few of us are qualified to resolve.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Harvey » Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:15 pm

^ Thanks Stick, for sparing me the point I felt I was going to have to make, better than I could have made it.

Joe, explain this data in terms of insufficient lockdowns and controls. I realise that for many people this means that they unintentionally harmed themselves and their families, but it remains the truth, irrespective of feelings.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby drstrangelove » Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:47 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:18 am wrote:The old hippies around here used to say dogma gets run over by karma.

Love it!

I'm guilty of contributing to this myself, but this thread is getting very derailed into a covid-19 thread.

This election season is getting nuts. The full court press against Trump with indictments. The retaliation investigation into Joe Biden/Hunter Biden corruption, and now Ashley Biden's diary verification which in my view, is more damning evidence of pedophilia than trump or clinton hanging out with epstein. The Obama's toyboy chef drowning in a pond. Peter Thiel's one falling off a roof three days before he starts a bankrun. His south african brethren's iconoclastic rebranding of the town square to the promethean-mithraic X using Rockefeller family bank credit.The Mellon family making moves behind the scenes as well with the RFK jr. campaign and UFO hearings.

Shit. Is. Going. Down. The pendulum is swinging and people are still trying to seek vindication on the nefarious activities of dead shell agencies like the CIA which wasps are off loading their share of like mortgage back securities to diversity hires.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:17 pm

^^^^^

Indeed. I'd say it's surreal but we've been in 'surreal' mode going on ~3yrs now, nearly nonstop.

For those that may be interested:

https://archive.org/details/ashley-biden-diary/mode/2up
https://ia803405.us.archive.org/20/item ... y_text.pdf
Ashley Biden Diary
Topics Ashley Biden, Diary, Joe Biden

This has been on National File -- https://nationalfile.com/tag/ashley-biden/ -- for months) and there are seriously allegations of inappropriate, explicit actions from Joe.

Addeddate 2021-01-30 00:23:27
Identifier ashley-biden-diary
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Re: Thiel, as a refresher:
The Editor Devil
@fairchild01

Death of JEFF THOMAS, “a model and social media influencer who was recently in a long-term relationship w/billionaire PeterThiel” but had broken it off …now under investigation

https://theintercept.com/2023/03/23/pet ... ff-thomas/

THE DEATH OF PETER THIEL’S “KEPT” ROMANTIC PARTNER IS BEING INVESTIGATED AS A SUICIDE

Miami police plan to interview Thiel as part of probe into the sudden death of Jeff Thomas, a model and social media influencer, sources said.

Ryan Grim
March 23 2023,


https://twitter.com/fairchild01/status/ ... 86208?s=20

Obama's chef:

@JordanSchachtel
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Jul 24
Update:

The Obama chef who reportedly drowned later became a proficient swimmer.

More from his IG feed.

This is very weird...
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I did not "fact check" the below [curated news items, no doubt sprinkled with subjective selections], so caveat lector, as always:

@TaraBull808

Top 10 headlines the media didn't tell you this week, Retweet & Follow for more.

10. Suspicious circumstances surround tight-lipped Obama Chef drowning case.

9. Rep. James Comer says President Biden uses offshore bank accounts to hide bribe money.

8. Early reports reveal Pfizer was aware of Myocarditis side effects, yet rushed distribution of their COVID vaccine anyway.

7. Biden's DOJ drops campaign finance charges connecting their second largest donor, Sam Bankman-Fried, to the Democratic party.

6. Mark Zuckerberg's X rival, Threads, has seen a massive decline in users; Elon Musk suggests bots were used to inflate initial sign-up numbers.

5. Office for National Statistics report reveals that COVID vaccinated have 91% higher death risk than the unvaccinated.

4. Senators Mitch McConnell (81) and Dianne Feinstein (90) suffer senile episodes on public display, raising concerns on term limits.

3. LeBron James' son Bronny James (18) suffers cardiac arrest and grammy winner Tori Kelly (30) hospitalized with blood clots around heart.

2. Biden White House, FBI, pressured Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg to censor Americans.

1. Trump to impose Death Penalty on Human Traffickers when elected.

Bonus: The Biden administration has sent more than $100 billion in U.S. weaponry and financial aid to Ukraine in less than a year.

If you appreciate this Top 10 recap, remember to Retweet and Follow me for another week in a clown world

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And:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/indict ... ust-2-2023

Excerpts specific to the latest Trump indictment, excluding a few vapid adjectives:
...

The Hill ran a ... story yesterday headlined, “Trump indicted on Jan. 6 charges.” On Tuesday — the day after Devon Archer testified about Joe Biden’s shady connections to a bunch of sketchy oligarchs — special counsel Jack Smith issued a horrible 45-page indictment tacking yet another criminal case onto President Trump’s mounting legal docket.

This newest indictment includes four counts, for mainly two reasons: that President Trump “conspired to defraud the United States,” and that he “conspired to interfere with the certification of the election.” Here’s how the Hill explained it:
“Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power. So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won,” the indictment states.

“These claims were false, and the Defendant knew that they were false,” it continues. “But the Defendant repeated and widely disseminated them anyway—to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election.”


The Hill, quoting ... Congressman Adam Schiff, all but admitted that the so-called House January 6th Committee was always intended to produce this singular result: charging Trump with J6-related crimes.
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) on Tuesday credited the investigation, saying the indictment was “based in large part on evidence we uncovered through our work.”


Although the indictment didn’t explicitly name them or indict them (yet), it claimed Trump worked with six co-conspirators: “The Defendant enlisted co-conspirators to assist him in his criminal efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power.” Based on comments from the indictment, people are guessing the co-conspirators include five of Trump’s attorneys: Rudi Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Jeffrey Clark, Kenneth Cheseboro, and John Eastman, plus an unidentified political consultant.

...

...nearly all the conduct described in the four counts is speech, and not just speech, but political speech. Political speech is the most protected kind of speech under the Constitution’s First Amendment. That probably won’t stop the Obama-appointed judge from letting the case survive an inevitable motion to dismiss, but my initial take is the counts can’t survive without rewriting the Constitution.

The situation is slightly more complicated because the DOJ framed the counts as “fraud,” which is a type of speech that isn’t protectable, but that raises its own problems. Even if Trump did lie ... lying isn’t illegal, not without something more, like being under oath, or harming someone who relied on the lie.

So the DOJ must first prove Trump lied, and then it must marry the lies to something else that can except them from First Amendment protection.

Which brings us to the DOJ’s next big problem, which is an interesting twist. A central material issue in this shiny new indictment is the truth or falsity of whether significant 2020 election fraud occurred or not. After all, the DOJ is claiming that Trump “lied” about election fraud, thereby — ironically — committing a fraud of his own.

In other words, they’re saying Trump committed fraud by alleging fraud. You can’t make this stuff up.

Now cast your mind back two years. Remember that none of Trump’s 2020 lawsuits ever got a chance to present evidence, since they were all dismissed on technical or procedural grounds. None of them got to take discovery, either.

But this time, now that he and his lawyers are defendants in a criminal case, President Trump can not only put on evidence of election fraud, but he must. And before that, he will have the right to conduct discovery under the demanding federal rules. And they’re not going to like it.

And, while I’m sure the giddy prosecutors are currently planning to just sit back and make Trump’s lawyers prove there was election fraud, the prosecutors will soon confront another unpleasant surprise related to what they must prove.

Right now, the prosecutors think proving their case will be easy and they won’t have to do much. But, as Trump’s lawyers begin to assemble evidence of election fraud — much of which was already pulled together in 2020 (but never considered by a court) — the DOJ prosecutors will start to realize at some point that they can’t just remain silent. They don’t see it yet, but they will eventually have to prove the negative; they will have to prove that election fraud didn’t happen.

They can’t just rely on “everybody knows” there wasn’t voter fraud. They can’t just wave their hands at the dismissed 2020 cases. They’ll almost certainly have to prove the absence of fraud.

And that, they cannot prove. Not only because proving a negative is incredibly difficult, but because it’s already very clear there was significant fraud, as demonstrated by sources like 2,000 mules. Plus, the more they look into whether fraud happened, the more it will hurt the government case.

Finally, of course, bringing this case two and a half years after January 6th during the middle of a presidential election campaign — against a candidate — is a total Banana Republic move. I’m expecting to see Joe Biden pop up wearing a medal-covered jacket covered any day now.


Putting aside for a moment this author's beliefs, I share it here as he is an attorney by trade, as I understand it, and he raises a few noteworthy points Re: anticipated legal strategies from both sides.

We can accept the front-facing theatrics of all this , or consider that much of this is more misdirection/distraction from other activities (covert or not)/news items. Or a combination of both and other factors that can only involve speculation on the part of the outsiders, i.e. 'We The People'.

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(EDIT to add: gamesmanship/power move tactics by the Mellon & Rockefeller families -- among other entities -- are factors as well, per drstrangelove's point, I would imagine. Others may have more intel there)
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:46 am

Harvey » 03 Aug 2023 06:15 wrote:^ Thanks Stick, for sparing me the point I felt I was going to have to make, better than I could have made it.

Joe, explain this data in terms of insufficient lockdowns and controls. I realise that for many people this means that they unintentionally harmed themselves and their families, but it remains the truth, irrespective of feelings.


What data?

The excess deaths?

I've already posted about that in Australia.

We have an epidemic of homelessness unlike any we've ever seen, rampamnt inflation, a collapsing medical system and on top of that Covid and vaccines.

But just to be clear there is no data in Cook's article.

He's reporting on data not presenting it.

I actually completely agree with him but no way I'd be saying that a pair of fuck sticks like you and your stupid mate.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:33 am

Apologies again that I don't remember how to post YouTube videos, and I don't have time to figure it while I'm at work.

Russell Brand doesn't leave anyone out in this scathingly brilliant video about the hypocrisy of Trump's indictment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igLTKq4fmO4
Don't believe anything they say.
And at the same time,
Don't believe that they say anything without a reason.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:55 pm

Pele'sDaughter » Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:33 am wrote:Apologies again that I don't remember how to post YouTube videos, and I don't have time to figure it while I'm at work.

Russell Brand doesn't leave anyone out in this scathingly brilliant video about the hypocrisy of Trump's indictment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igLTKq4fmO4


In new versions of phpBB3, you can just paste in the link as you did, and it turns into an embedded version.

We're still running on a 2005-or-so version of phpBB3, and the idea of updating it is scary.

Every YT link has an ID for the video itself. That's the part that comes after the v=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igLTKq4fmO4

In this case, that's igLTKq4fmO4

Copy that, paste it into the box, highlight it, and push the button that says "youtube."

It produces the following:

Code: Select all
[youtube]igLTKq4fmO4[/youtube]


When you "Submit" the post, it displays:

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:51 am

Thank you, Jack! :lovehearts:
Don't believe anything they say.
And at the same time,
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:04 pm

De nada, P's D, a pleasure.

Ahem. Meanwhile...

Joe Hillshoist » Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:46 am wrote:I actually completely agree with him but no way I'd be saying that a pair of fuck sticks like you and your stupid mate.


Joe, please don't do that any further. You know what I mean.

Everyone, please avoid the pointless exchange of insults that could now follow.

Or cease the one that started upthread (I didn't check). As the case may be.

Thank you.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Harvey » Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:26 am

Joe, you behave as if anyone you're addressing gives much of fuck what you think about anything at all. Honestly, this isn't the case for me, and probably not for the others. You're dead to me. Please don't address me again, if you have any manners.
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This he said to me
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You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Fixx » Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:18 am

Harvey » Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:26 am wrote:Joe, you behave as if anyone you're addressing gives much of fuck what you think about anything at all. Honestly, this isn't the case for me, and probably not for the others. You're dead to me. Please don't address me again, if you have any manners.


What a cuntish thing to say to someone, but then again what would you expect from a cunt. This place is fucked, it has been for a while it's been overtaken by a bunch of right wing fucking trolls who if you don't agree with them just try to shout people down.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:07 am

Surely, we can all agree that US Congress has sold out to powerful corporate interests and love that dirty money more than democracy, freedom, or, apparently, the future of the US and possible the entire planet. I'm here for the truth and that's it, wherever it takes me and however difficult it may be to accept it. To me that's more important than petty differences we may have with each other here. If truth wasn't important, "they" wouldn't be lying about every damned thing.

Is my opinion all that important with all that appears to be at stake for the future? Opinions aren't going to change anything, but the lies of those who "rule" the world are going to destroy us all. :hug1:
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