Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:39 pm

BelSav wrote:

Those that provide massive funding to the 'Space Race' have LIED, demonstrably, about many things.
Besides the fact that, as mentioned previously and as demonstrated many times here in RI, there are myriad plausibly dubious aspects of the claims made about 'Space Travel' since the early 1960s.

Of course, you and those that share your sentiments are essentially subscribing based on FAITH, not based on any objective assessment (by a truly neutral outside party) or first-hand corroboration.

It's a Modern-Day Religion for the secularists.


How do you know they lied? Were you there? Do you have first hand evidence, or is it based on faith that the people you listen to are telling the truth?

You already know we can launch things into orbit. You have a GPS in your phone that wouldn't work otherwise, and you can see satellites and the ISS with the naked eye, so you know for a fact we can send stuff to space, so why is it so incredibly hard for you to wrap your head around the idea that it really isn't that inconceivable to add a small capsule with life support to one of those rockets and send it a little further out?

I'm seriously starting to wonder if you're a flat-earther and just don't want to admit it, or that you have some weird religion that informs your views.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Elihu » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:45 pm

You already know we can launch things into orbit.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:13 pm

Wut?
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:35 pm

You've got to admit, that is pretty good rocket tech....



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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby SonicG » Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:01 am

BenDhyan » Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:35 am wrote:You've got to admit, that is pretty good rocket tech....



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I actually visited the Japanese Cape Canaveral yesterday and saw these supposed "rockets" up close - I mean look at all these tubes and whatnot just to burn up some hydrogen! Such a scam!!
Seriously though, we are masters of our own orb and the Moon is just a minor extension of that but it is not really a part of "Space" proper imho. Space itself is a vast mystery we are only vaguely coming to understand. I mean, if you want to have a "The Big Bang is a Hoax" thread, I'm all in...

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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:30 am

DrEvil » Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:39 pm wrote:BelSav wrote:

Those that provide massive funding to the 'Space Race' have LIED, demonstrably, about many things.
Besides the fact that, as mentioned previously and as demonstrated many times here in RI, there are myriad plausibly dubious aspects of the claims made about 'Space Travel' since the early 1960s.

Of course, you and those that share your sentiments are essentially subscribing based on FAITH, not based on any objective assessment (by a truly neutral outside party) or first-hand corroboration.

It's a Modern-Day Religion for the secularists.


How do you know they lied? Were you there? Do you have first hand evidence, or is it based on faith that the people you listen to are telling the truth?

You already know we can launch things into orbit. You have a GPS in your phone that wouldn't work otherwise, and you can see satellites and the ISS with the naked eye, so you know for a fact we can send stuff to space, so why is it so incredibly hard for you to wrap your head around the idea that it really isn't that inconceivable to add a small capsule with life support to one of those rockets and send it a little further out?

I'm seriously starting to wonder if you're a flat-earther and just don't want to admit it, or that you have some weird religion that informs your views.


Of course these things they say are ‘conceivable’ (in no small part due to the barrage of propaganda and related storytelling in both pop culture/movies/TV shows and ‘science’ since the ~mid 20th Century), but the hard reality is MOST humans have no means to corroborate any of it (+ there's no truly neutral 3rd party objective means to verify, which renders most if not all of this a function of Faith/Belief), AND, a considerable amount of the narratives/‘evidence’ we’ve been fed since the 60s are legitimately dubious.
AND: as I typed before, the entities funding these programs are indeed suspect and NOT trustworthy by default, for myriad reasons (among them: they have lied and continue to lie and/or mislead on a number of related and/or tangential topics in the sphere of ‘science’).

I’m not a ‘flat earther’, no, as I believe much of that rhetoric is likewise riddled with flaws (advertent or inadvertent) — another limited hangout variant.

Increasingly, however, I am warming to the notion that the actual reality of what’s going on ‘out there’ is quite distinct from the narratives weaved here on Earth, as told by dubious, or compromised, or captured, or malevolent, or simply indoctrinated characters (and/or any combination thereof).

This is applicable to a number of ‘big’ topics of the day (the Pharma/healthcare industry, politics, our history, monetary systems, climate, etc).

You may scoff or disagree however you please, of course.

(Side-note: launching rockets into ‘space’ to have them hover or traverse within range of Earth is nothing new or distinct— NASA and related entities have been doing this since [reportedly] the early ~60s. Over 60+ yrs now)
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:48 pm

I'm curious to know what you think is actually going on out there.

Regarding your last point: that's my point! Getting out of Earth's gravity well is the hard part. Once you're up there it's trivial (relatively speaking) to give the rocket an extra nudge towards the Moon or Mars or wherever.

Btw: rockets don't hover above the Earth, they orbit.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:58 pm

BenDhyan » Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:35 pm wrote:You've got to admit, that is pretty good rocket tech....



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I'm not sure people appreciate just how insane this is. That's a twenty story booster, bigger than a 747 fuselage, and they landed it. If they can get this thing (and Starship) to be as reliable as the Falcon 9 that's a complete game-changer.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Thu Jan 15, 2026 8:41 pm

This first mission will send astronauts around the moon, no landing, following mission should see first manned landing on the moon since Apollo days!
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/coverage-briefing-set-for-nasas-artemis-ii-moon-rocket-roll-to-pad

Coverage, Briefing Set for NASA’s Artemis II Moon Rocket Roll to Pad

Rollout to the pad marks another milestone leading up to the Artemis II mission. In the coming weeks, NASA will complete final preparations of the rocket and, if needed, rollback SLS and Orion to the Vehicle Assembly Building for additional work. While the Artemis II launch window opens as early as Friday, Feb. 6, the mission management team will assess flight readiness after the wet dress rehearsal across the spacecraft, launch https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads ... astructure, and the crew and operations teams before selecting a launch date.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Harvey » Fri Jan 16, 2026 7:51 pm

Go to LROC 3D Moon map and visit the moon landing sites. Then look at nearby craters. Ask why there is such a sharp difference in resolution. Wonder at some of the Apollo landing sites having no visible tracks at all. Consider why it might be that you can see tracks from boulders tumbling down crater walls in super high resolution, where the boulder is less than a foot across, but the resolution of the Apollo landing sites is vastly lower. It isn't being paranoid to ask reasonable questions.

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The rock at mid lower left (at the end of the trail) in the image below is a couple of meters across. Compare that to the resolution available at the Apollo landing sites. If you look through my history on RI you'll see I was very sceptical of moon hoaxers for most of my time here. But how am I supposed to explain this?

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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby DrEvil » Sat Jan 17, 2026 9:39 am

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Edit: Astronauts are heading to the Moon in a few weeks (Feb. 7, orbit, not landing). I look forward to watching them all die horribly the second they pass through the radiation wall of doom around Earth. If they don't, BelSav will obviously make some inane comment about how he wasn't there personally so it was all fake, just like the last time astronauts visited the Van Allen belt on Jared Isaacman's private mission (now head of NASA).
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Harvey » Sat Jan 17, 2026 10:51 am

You haven't addressed the interesting question of why the resolution is an order of magnitude lower at all the Apollo sites, which anyone can varify for themselves at LROC, nor why at least one Apollo site has no visible craft or tracks. Why should either of these observations be so?

Edited to add: My mistake, I may be referring to an unmanned lander. There would be no tracks, but there's no obvious craft at the site. The graphic overlay seems to indicate tracks, but when the overlay is removed, there's nothing there. In any case, the resolution issue remains a puzzle.
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:49 pm

Harvey » Sun Jan 18, 2026 12:51 am wrote:You haven't addressed the interesting question of why the resolution is an order of magnitude lower at all the Apollo sites, which anyone can varify for themselves at LROC, nor why at least one Apollo site has no visible craft or tracks. Why should either of these observations be so?

Edited to add: My mistake, I may be referring to an unmanned lander. There would be no tracks, but there's no obvious craft at the site. The graphic overlay seems to indicate tracks, but when the overlay is removed, there's nothing there. In any case, the resolution issue remains a puzzle.

Tech has improved since the days of Apollo....

"In 2009 we sent a lunar reconnaissance orbiter to map the lunar surface in three or four orders of magnitude more resolution than had ever been managed before," Prof Ojha says. "Every single Apollo landing site was pictured. Absolutely stunning.

https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/space-astronomy/moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby Harvey » Sun Jan 18, 2026 1:19 pm

BenDhyan » Sun Jan 18, 2026 1:49 am wrote:
Harvey » Sun Jan 18, 2026 12:51 am wrote:You haven't addressed the interesting question of why the resolution is an order of magnitude lower at all the Apollo sites, which anyone can varify for themselves at LROC, nor why at least one Apollo site has no visible craft or tracks. Why should either of these observations be so?

Edited to add: My mistake, I may be referring to an unmanned lander. There would be no tracks, but there's no obvious craft at the site. The graphic overlay seems to indicate tracks, but when the overlay is removed, there's nothing there. In any case, the resolution issue remains a puzzle.

Tech has improved since the days of Apollo....

"In 2009 we sent a lunar reconnaissance orbiter to map the lunar surface in three or four orders of magnitude more resolution than had ever been managed before," Prof Ojha says. "Every single Apollo landing site was pictured. Absolutely stunning.

https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/space-astronomy/moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked



I'm not sure which part you don't understand. The 3D map of the moon made from those images, is in very high resolution, as I showed above. Except at every single Apollo landing site, which as you can verify for yourself, are at vastly lower resolution. You're not curious about that? Is it something in the water?
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Re: Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

Postby BenDhyan » Sun Jan 18, 2026 7:48 pm

Harvey » Mon Jan 19, 2026 3:19 am wrote:
BenDhyan » Sun Jan 18, 2026 1:49 am wrote:
Harvey » Sun Jan 18, 2026 12:51 am wrote:You haven't addressed the interesting question of why the resolution is an order of magnitude lower at all the Apollo sites, which anyone can varify for themselves at LROC, nor why at least one Apollo site has no visible craft or tracks. Why should either of these observations be so?

Edited to add: My mistake, I may be referring to an unmanned lander. There would be no tracks, but there's no obvious craft at the site. The graphic overlay seems to indicate tracks, but when the overlay is removed, there's nothing there. In any case, the resolution issue remains a puzzle.

Tech has improved since the days of Apollo....

"In 2009 we sent a lunar reconnaissance orbiter to map the lunar surface in three or four orders of magnitude more resolution than had ever been managed before," Prof Ojha says. "Every single Apollo landing site was pictured. Absolutely stunning.

https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/space-astronomy/moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked



I'm not sure which part you don't understand. The 3D map of the moon made from those images, is in very high resolution, as I showed above. Except at every single Apollo landing site, which as you can verify for yourself, are at vastly lower resolution. You're not curious about that? Is it something in the water?

Hi Harvey, the images of the Apollo sites that De Evil posted showing high resolution images are from LROC, so there is no cover up!

The zoom LROC map image is of the whole moon, so you lose resolution at max zoom, however as I said, the LROC highest resolution images of the Apollo landing sites were posted by Dr Evil.
As for the LROC image you posted of the bolder tracks, please explain how you know the size of the bolder is a couple of meters?
https://quickmap.lroc.im-ldi.com

The rock at mid lower left (at the end of the trail) in the image below is a couple of meters across. Compare that to the resolution available at the Apollo landing sites. If you look through my history on RI you'll see I was very sceptical of moon hoaxers for most of my time here. But how am I supposed to explain this?


Please enioy the LROC imaging of the Apollo 17 site, I hope you find the resolution appropriate.

In August 2011, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft's orbit around the moon was temporarily lowered to get a close look at the landing sites of the Apollo 12, 14 and 17 missions. This video is a short tour of the landing site of Apollo 17, explored by astronauts in December 1972, and shows off the new details visible in the higher resolution images.

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