US Presidential Election 2024

[Belligerent Savant]

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Maher is on Cable TV so none of his takes are truly controversial, and of course they primarily perpetuate/further promote mainstream tropes Re: U.S. politics, but nonetheless he (or his writers) occasionally make salient observations (at least when it comes to much of the mid-brow rhetoric of the typical consumer):

@VigilantFox

Bill Maher Knocks Some Sense Into Liberals Who Can’t See Why They Lost the Election

“...a lot of people texted me things like, ‘Well, you know, you can’t fix stupid.’ Sorry, that doesn’t work with me. Yeah, you’re stupid because you’re not thinking about the bigger picture. You’re not thinking about, maybe we did something wrong. Maybe we’re not perfect.”

“It’s like a relationship. You got dumped. America dumped you. And they’re all like, ‘You don’t know what you had.’ Yes, they do. They know what they had. And what they’re saying is, ‘We know what we had, and you’re a mess.’”

[Video Clip at Link]

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1855094509610451113

[Grizzly]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42130194
FBI Raids Home of Polymarket CEO Shayne Coplan

[stickdog99]

It's fascinating how all nations were part of the planned Covid conspiracy.

What's most amazing to me is that fuck all zero has changed about the supposed mortal threat of COVID-19 since March 2020 until right now and yet hundreds of millions of people like you somehow to this date still manage to ignore the fact that they themselves no longer follow the "common sense" prescriptions of lockdowns, social distancing, masking, and annual injections that they so heartily endorsed in 2021 and 2022. I mean, of all the people who disagreed with me about advisability of erecting an entire authoritarian biosecurity apparatus to fight an "obviously necessary" War on COVID, the tiny minority of zero COVID holdouts who still religiously perform all the rituals symptoms of illness anxiety disorder to this day are at least exhibiting a little intellectual consistency.

Tell me, what exactly has changed about the risk of COVID since those bad old years when you were more than willing to close schools, bankrupt small businesses, and segregate the unvaccinated due to your outsized fear of it?

How exactly did all of those things that you yourself no longer do to protect yourself or anyone you love make such perfect sense to you back then? And how exactly was that outsized fear of COVID-19 that made you think that all of those crimes against humanity were merely "common sense" responses to the once-in-the-history-of-humanity deadly pandemic instilled in you and everyone else around you? And how did you finally manage to wake up from that dream and once again dare to venture outside of your house so freely without the protective talismans that your government so wisely mandated (and to this day still officially recommends)?

No reason to consider any of that at all. I mean, the fact that the same scam was perpetrated on almost every member country of the WHO proves that nobody could have possibly coordinated it and therefore that nobody could have possibly fallen for it.

[Belligerent Savant]

Indeed.

Max Blumenthal
@MaxBlumenthal

I do not believe @RobertKennedyJr would have ever gained national celebrity and been able to launch a national campaign that vaulted him to the heights of Trumpworld had The Science(TM) that informed the Covid response proven even remotely correct.

If the mRNA "vaccine" had not failed on every stated promise; had the CDC and WHO not changed the very definition of vaccine to accommodate its failure to prevent transmission or infection; had countless working class Americans not lost their jobs for refusing to take the jab, while others were forcibly injected in order to keep their livelihoods, sometimes suffering injury as a result; had mainstream news hosts and politicians including Joe Biden not proposed isolating The Unvaccinated from society, preventing them from traveling, and even from buying food in markets; had the lockdowns not set a generation of children across all social strata back years in their education, while doing nothing to stop the spread; had once-vibrant city centers not transformed to terrifying zombie scenes, shattering countless small businesses, while we were assured by Fauci that it would take just another week or two to flatten the curve; had a dystopian state censorship regime not consolidated its hold over social media platforms, disappearing dissenters from our digital commons those who protested in the streets were often beaten and arrested – had none of this occurred, RFK Jr. would be comfortably ensconced in his home in West LA, still loyal to the Democratic Party, a welcome presence in the world of affluent liberals, and nowhere near the political celebrity he is today.

But all this happened and worse. Americans were lied to and abused on a massive scale, and RFK was one of the first to tap into the public's anger. And thanks to his Children's Health Defense, he already had an established platform to promote his jeremiads (which focused heavily at the time on the erosion of constitutional rights, not always on vaccine-related issues).

Though the Covid event was hardly discussed during the 2024 presenting campaign – largely because the corporate media that got almost everything wrong wanted the issue to disappear – it loomed like a heavy cloud. RFK's presence as a Trump surrogate enabled 47 to channel the simmering anger, giving rise to the Make America Healthy Again movement, which became a magnet for alt media-oriented independent voters. Now RFK stands to take over a gargantuan federal agency that has traditionally served as an instrument of Big Pharma and the agribusiness lobby, and which is currently led by a Democrat political operative with no medical or scientific background. The pundits who paint RFK's ascension as an unfortunate triumph of the paranoid style in American politics are whitewashing the failures and sordid deceptions of the credentialed class they represent, while denying the experiences of the millions who paid the price for them.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

I am thrilled to announce Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as The United States Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). For too long, Americans have been crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies who have engaged in deception, misinformation, and disinformation when it comes to Public Health. The Safety and Health of all Americans is the most important role of any Administration, and HHS will play a big role in helping ensure that everybody will be protected from harmful chemicals, pollutants, pesticides, pharmaceutical products, and food additives that have contributed to the overwhelming Health Crisis in this Country. Mr. Kennedy will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research, and beacons of Transparency, to end the Chronic Disease epidemic, and to Make America Great and Healthy Again!

4:13 PM · Nov 14, 2024

https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1857296453191999956

[Elvis]

FAR easier to simply stick with your preferred narratives. Remain obtuse.

[stickdog99]

FAR easier to simply stick with your preferred narratives. Remain obtuse.

That's not a rational response. That's projection at its purest.

The average age of mortality from COVID-19 never dropped below the average age of mortality period in any community on Earth that bothered to track such a "meaningless" statistic,

And the death rate from COVID among people under 70 without any comorbidities never rose above 1%. And that's even when nontreatment and mistreatment regimes were being actively enforced by almost every doctor at almost every hospital while early and other rational treatments were being actively (and uniquely!) criminalized.

But was any of this information brought to anyone's attention anywhere other than here during the still ongoing "pandemic"? Did any of public health administrators or establishment media outlets dare mention any of these facts? Or was any mention of these facts instead banned or at least shadow banned by all Big Tech outlets on social media?

Was anyone allowed to mention the cost side of the equation when it came to vaccine injuries, vaccine discrimination, masking little kids, closing schools, and devastating minority owned small businesses? Was anyone allowed to mention the huge increases in mental health issues (including depression, anxiety, and especially dementia), alcoholism and other drug addictions, overdoses, learning deficits, and suicides? Did anyone mention that vaccine mandates and school closures pointedly discriminated against minorities as well as the all the other poorest and most vulnerable populations? Was anyone allowed to decry the most massive transfer of wealth from the everyone else to the top 1% over a period of just 2 years (by any measure) in US history? And even if any of these costs were acknowledged, was this information greeted by anything other than a shrug while the chiding and shaming of the "selfish" noncompliant (even among your own best friends and family members!) continued unabated?

And why isn't anyone chiding themselves today for doing exactly what the selfish, murderous grandma killing noncompliant did in 2021 and 2022? All the "wisest" health authorities still recommend annual injections, masking, and social distancing. So why aren't you listening to them anymore? Why is your current "selfish and murderous" behavior somehow suddenly OK?

Will you ever allow yourself to have a cognitive reckoning about all of this or will you just continue mounting and reinforcing textbook ego defenses for the rest of your life (which you of course owe to the glorious, cutting edge, windfall profit-generating mRNA technology that could never have been foisted on billions in any other way)?

I really have to wonder how many of these words you can even allow yourself to read before reflexively mounting another ego defense and hitting reply.

[Grizzly]

https://www.youtube.com/live/zJB3pl01Oi ... -aCbGYGgfx
SECRET TRAPS laid for Trump, RFK & ELON | Megyn Kelly worries for Trump's life, CIA vote algorithm.

Stephen Gardner and Dr. Jerome Corsi discuss the danger Trump, Elon Musk, RFK Jr, Matt Gaetz, Vivek Ramaswamy and Tulsi Gabbard now find themselves in. The DC swamp will fight back. Lives are in danger.

For the Record I did not vote for Trump. Nor the other. (don't shoot the messe.. ahh fuck it )Think critically and take what you like, leave the rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Uy2K6E2MA
[Deep State Plot to SABOTAGE Trump Presidency REVEALED | ‘TREASON?!’

Trump needs to purge these agencies on DAY ONE! Mike Benz’s Warning

[Elvis]

I never said the government response was competent.

Nobody has said why all the other governments went along with the big conspiracy.

FAR easier to simply stick with your preferred narratives. Remain obtuse.

That's not a rational response. That's projection at its purest.

The average age of mortality from COVID-19 never dropped below the average age of mortality period in any community on Earth that bothered to track such a "meaningless" statistic,

And the death rate from COVID among people under 70 without any comorbidities never rose above 1%. And that's even when nontreatment and mistreatment regimes were being actively enforced by almost every doctor at almost every hospital while early and other rational treatments were being actively (and uniquely!) criminalized.

But was any of this information brought to anyone's attention anywhere other than here during the still ongoing "pandemic"? Did any of public health administrators or establishment media outlets dare mention any of these facts? Or was any mention of these facts instead banned or at least shadow banned by all Big Tech outlets on social media?

Was anyone allowed to mention the cost side of the equation when it came to vaccine injuries, vaccine discrimination, masking little kids, closing schools, and devastating minority owned small businesses? Was anyone allowed to mention the huge increases in mental health issues (including depression, anxiety, and especially dementia), alcoholism and other drug addictions, overdoses, learning deficits, and suicides? Did anyone mention that vaccine mandates and school closures pointedly discriminated against minorities as well as the all the other poorest and most vulnerable populations? Was anyone allowed to decry the most massive transfer of wealth from the everyone else to the top 1% over a period of just 2 years (by any measure) in US history? And even if any of these costs were acknowledged, was this information greeted by anything other than a shrug while the chiding and shaming of the "selfish" noncompliant (even among your own best friends and family members!) continued unabated?

And why isn't anyone chiding themselves today for doing exactly what the selfish, murderous grandma killing noncompliant did in 2021 and 2022? All the "wisest" health authorities still recommend annual injections, masking, and social distancing. So why aren't you listening to them anymore? Why is your current "selfish and murderous" behavior somehow suddenly OK?

Will you ever allow yourself to have a cognitive reckoning about all of this or will you just continue mounting and reinforcing textbook ego defenses for the rest of your life (which you of course owe to the glorious, cutting edge, windfall profit-generating mRNA technology that could never have been foisted on billions in any other way)?

I really have to wonder how many of these words you can even allow yourself to read before reflexively mounting another ego defense and hitting reply.

[stickdog99]

I mean, why do all the other governments belong to the WHO?

Why do all the other governments go along with tobacco and McDonalds?

Why did it take until 2009 for any country to outlaw mercury amalgam?

Note that I am not saying that every leader in the world is in on a big conspiracy. What I am saying is that it's not hard to sway them, you, or me into supporting the implementation of active responses to a supposed crisis while ignoring the costs associated with these "common sense" responses. At least then, they cannot be accused of relative inaction in the face of a deadly crisis. If such interventions prove counterproductive, well, there's always the "fog of war" to fall back on.

And if a supposed crisis makes a populace willing to listen to whatever Daddy tells them, well, Daddy can't help but smile about this.

[SonicG]

I mean fucking hell wtf. Paying celebrities millions on top of their 100s of millions...

[Elvis]

I mean, why do all the other governments belong to the WHO?

Why do all the other governments go along with tobacco and McDonalds?

Why did it take until 2009 for any country to outlaw mercury amalgam?

Note that I am not saying that every leader in the world is in on a big conspiracy. What I am saying is that it's not hard to sway them, you, or me into supporting the implementation of active responses to a supposed crisis while ignoring the costs associated with these "common sense" responses. At least then, they cannot be accused of relative inaction in the face of a deadly crisis. If such interventions prove counterproductive, well, there's always the "fog of war" to fall back on.

And if a supposed crisis makes a populace willing to listen to whatever Daddy tells them, well, Daddy can't help but smile about this.

Who told Cuba to produce Covid vaccines? Why didn't Cuba tell the world that it was all a hoax? Why did North Korea forcibly put people suspected of being infected into quarantine (etc.)? Why would these and other countries spend time, money & effort to address it if it was fake?

I readily agree that there was massive financial exploitation by a variety of actors, not least Big Pharm. And hey, really, "only old people died," and they were gonna die pretty soon anyway, right?

[SonicG]

I mean, why do all the other governments belong to the WHO?

Why do all the other governments go along with tobacco and McDonalds?

Why did it take until 2009 for any country to outlaw mercury amalgam?

Note that I am not saying that every leader in the world is in on a big conspiracy. What I am saying is that it's not hard to sway them, you, or me into supporting the implementation of active responses to a supposed crisis while ignoring the costs associated with these "common sense" responses. At least then, they cannot be accused of relative inaction in the face of a deadly crisis. If such interventions prove counterproductive, well, there's always the "fog of war" to fall back on.

And if a supposed crisis makes a populace willing to listen to whatever Daddy tells them, well, Daddy can't help but smile about this.

Who told Cuba to produce Covid vaccines? Why didn't Cuba tell the world that it was all a hoax? Why did North Korea forcibly put people suspected of being infected into quarantine (etc.)? Why would these and other countries spend time, money & effort to address it if it was fake?

I readily agree that there was massive financial exploitation by a variety of actors, not least Big Pharm. And hey, really, "only old people died," and they were gonna die pretty soon anyway, right?

Because NorKor is actually controlled by the CIA /s
These are good questions about not only Cuba and NorKor as well as Vietnam, where I experienced COVID...But maybe take the answers to the main COVID thread - danke.

[stickdog99]

I mean, why do all the other governments belong to the WHO?

Why do all the other governments go along with tobacco and McDonalds?

Why did it take until 2009 for any country to outlaw mercury amalgam?

Note that I am not saying that every leader in the world is in on a big conspiracy. What I am saying is that it's not hard to sway them, you, or me into supporting the implementation of active responses to a supposed crisis while ignoring the costs associated with these "common sense" responses. At least then, they cannot be accused of relative inaction in the face of a deadly crisis. If such interventions prove counterproductive, well, there's always the "fog of war" to fall back on.

And if a supposed crisis makes a populace willing to listen to whatever Daddy tells them, well, Daddy can't help but smile about this.

Who told Cuba to produce Covid vaccines? Why didn't Cuba tell the world that it was all a hoax? Why did North Korea forcibly put people suspected of being infected into quarantine (etc.)? Why would these and other countries spend time, money & effort to address it if it was fake?

I readily agree that there was massive financial exploitation by a variety of actors, not least Big Pharm. And hey, really, "only old people died," and they were gonna die pretty soon anyway, right?

:LOL. So North Korea would not have mounted an authoritarian response unless this were absolutely necessary? And Cuba would not have wanted to show off the one thing it does much better than the USA, healthcare, unless this were absolutely necessary?

And, seriously, you still support closing schools for two years to save Grandma? Sorry to inform you that Grandma is still dying of COVID as we speak. So what exactly is your excuse right now for not still locking yourself down? When and why did you stop caring?

[Elvis]

you still support closing schools for two years to save Grandma?

I never "supported" anything like that or leapt to conclusions about it one way or another. I'm extremely wary of absolutist pandemic narratives.

[Elvis]

NYT podcast/radio show "The Daily," hosted by the insufferable Michael Barbaro, just interviewed Bernie Sanders.

Sanders blames the Democrat's election loss on their substitution of identity politics for the real economic issues. This upsets Barbaro (who is gay and comes out of Yale) no end.

The YouTube video's comments section is (unsurprisingly) 100% praising Sanders, with many also sharing my contempt for Barbaro.