'Terrorist' bomb makers arrested in Toronto Area

by **StarmanSkye** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:24 pm

What passes for 'logic' today courtesy the PTB: Fertilizer = Terrorism!!!!! Conclusion: Boycott fertilizer? After the 10,000th mass-media lie about major issues, one should probably strongly suspect the truth about truly important topics has a mighty dim chance of being told, eh? Of course, if the dumbed-down sheeple are too simple-minded to even ASK, 'Who Benefits?', then the MSM job of disseminating disinfo is made MUCH easier. The consequences of a Toronto string of 'terrorist' bombings would play right into the PTB's Police State agenda. Like, DuH. Even IF everything the dastardly, evil Terrorist 'them' are accused of doing or plotting is TRUE, they're MAYBE 1/10,000th as dangerous and destructive and deadly as the present out-of-control, illegitimate gangster-thugs who have seized power and become the world's biggest gangster-terrorist syndicate, operating out of the Pentagon, the White House, the CIA/NSA et al, State Dept., Congress, the Republican Party, IMF/World Bank, etc., operating across borders and involving many other governments and Intelligence agencies, establishing partnerships with some of the world's most brutal, autocratic anti-democratic regimes and despicable criminals. Nothing the so-called Terrorists have done or even are capable of doing is as awful as the estimated 250,000 killed in the US's 2 illegal wars, or the eco-genocidal legacy of Depleted Uranium, or the duplicious, hypocritical maneuvering that is driving nuclear and bioweapon proliferation, or the active complicity with corporate crimes that are directly injuring many tens of thousands of US citizens every year (and hundreds of thousands world-wide), bankrupting the Treasury and decimating the Middle and working Classes with irresponsible, inflation-prone ruinous economic policies, threatening to provoke global nuclear war, engaged in totally illegal regime-change coups and international kidnappings and outright torture and other grevious abuses reminescent of the worst Stalin-era crimes, colluding in gang-warfare and the decay of inner-cities and urban communities by the flooding of narcotics and guns, the deliberate crippling of schools, the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs/capacity, reversals on environmental protections, the erosion of Judicial Branch integrity, and so on and so forth. Good ChRIST ... Anyone reasonably well-informed can't help but realize the 'Terrorists' can't even BEGIN to compare with the PTB when it comes to violence, murder, mayhem, and destruction -- they'd need a hundred-year hands-off several trillion-dollar headstart just to be in the same league with the PTB's use of violence for political purposes. I suppose it must be comforting for some people to accept the benevolent Patriarchy script of government 'protecting' the citizenry from the manifold evils of Terror and crimes, while denying the abundant evidence that the government is the single greatest sole source of terror and crime. Recent history of government collusion in imposing the most horrific conditions of war and supporting totalitarian, repressive regimes are undeniable -- it would be one thing if there had since been a major change in US policy that recognizes its many policy errors, and attempt to reform itself -- but NO such accounting and reform has occurred, it's STILL business-as-usual, killings and oppression and coups on behald of corporate, financial interests -- estimated 21 million dead since WW II, an average 350,000 dead per year, victim of the State Dept. and Pentagon working for Wall Street and the Federal Reserve private banks. Given the enormous frauds and distortions, opportunism and manipulations, abuses and corruption associated with the Cold War and the War on Drugs, there's NOTHING to suggest the present War on Terrorism is any different -- but if anything, it's an even GREATER opportunity for the Plutocracy to milk it for all its worth. Starman

by **greencrow0** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:06 pm

Another good post starman! And, meanwhile, as we speak, CNN is coming at the NA public all guns a blazin with the Canuck Terrorists Fraud/hoax/psy-ops. By the time the truth slowly seeps out sometimes next week when all the accused get lawyers.... The lardmass will be fully brainwashed with the intended message 'turrsts UP NORTH'

by **dugoboy** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:15 pm

is it just me or isn't it interesting this event happens today? theres a 911 truth conference going on in chicago as i type right now. its at the embassy suites near o'hare airport. alex jones, meria heller and steven jones spoke there last night. <a href="http://www.911revealingthetruth.org/">www.911revealingthetruth.org/</a> ___________________________________________ "BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 6/3/06 6:16 pm

by **dugoboy** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:21 pm

here are some names of who was arrested... "The RCMP in cooperation with our partners through out integrated national security enforcement team ... have arrested individuals who were planning to commit a series of terrorist attacks against solely Canadian targets in Southern Ontario," said McDonell. Charges included participating in or contributing to the activities of a terrorist group, including training or recruiting; the commission of indictable offences, including firearms or explosives, for the benefit of a terrorist group; and providing or making available property for the purposes of terrorism. Following is a list including the names, ages and addresses of the men who have been arrested and can be named. Fahim Ahmad, 21, Toronto; Zakaria Amara, 20, Mississauga, Ont.; Asad Ansari, 21, Mississauga; Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, Mississauga; Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, Mississauga; Mohammed Dirie, 22, Kingston, Ont.; Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, Kingston; Jahmaal James, 23, Toronto; Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19, Toronto; Steven Vikash Chand alias Abdul Shakur 25, Toronto; Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21, Mississauga; Saad Khalid, 19, of Eclipse Avenue, Mississauga. ___________________________________________ "BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."

by **greencrow0** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:22 pm

dugoboy Yes, that's certainly the clue I've been looking for today....what is it the PTB are trying to distract us from? Thanks. GC

by **dugoboy** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:07 pm

here's your why: <a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149285034044&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home" target="top">Toronto Star: How Internet monitoring sparked a CSIS probe</a> How Internet monitoring sparked a CSIS probe Jun. 3, 2006. 05:52 PM MICHELLE SHEPHARD STAFF REPORTER Last night's dramatic police raid and arrest of as many as a dozen men — with more to come — marks the culmination of Canada's largest ever terrorism investigation into an alleged homegrown cell. The chain of events began two years ago, sparked by local teenagers roving through Internet sites, reading and espousing anti-Western sentiments and vowing to attack at home, in the name of oppressed Muslims here and abroad. Their words were sometimes encrypted, the Internet sites where they communicated allegedly restricted by passwords, but Canadian spies back in 2004 were reading them. And as the youths' words turned into actions, they began watching them. According to sources close to the investigation, the suspects are teenagers and men in their 20s who had a relatively typical Canadian upbringing, but — allegedly spurred on by images of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan and angered by what they saw as the mistreatment of Muslims at home — became increasingly violent. Police say they acquired weapons, picked targets and made detailed plans. -------------------- 2 thoughts i have: 1) this shit is meant to scare us. 2) the Iranian Badge story coupled with stories like this make me believe the Canadian government is much more plyable to do the US's bidding these days. Harper agrees with Bush in almost everyway. maybe the canadian left leaning government wasn't so willing to play a lapdog but now Harpers government does. Yippee.. so you have crap like this above but theres also this: 3) <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/washington/02records.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1149307200&en=cc5dfb247cb673c1&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin" target="top">U.S. Wants Companies to Keep Web Usage Records</a> 4) <a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060531_molly_ivins_iranian_badge/" target="top">Molly Ivins: Iran Badge Fabricator Goes to Washington</a> 3) the toronto star article talks about how internet surveillence allowed them to get them. blah blah. man i get tired of this shit. but anyway what this does is legitimize the US government's want to spy on us when we are on the web noted in the NY Times article linked above. 4) the molly ivins article talks about how 'Two weeks ago, Amir Taheri had an Op-Ed article in the Canadian National Post claiming that the Iranians have a law requiring Jews to wear yellow badges. It turned out to be a complete fabrication' well...this past 'Tuesday, Taheri was invited to the White House along with other “experts” to give the president their “honest opinions.” ___________________________________________ "BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 6/3/06 8:22 pm

by **greencrow0** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:11 am

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5045104.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5045104.stm</a> Flash Forward--to next week sometime when the perps will all mock hang their heads and declare... 'It was all a terrible misunderstanding'... in MSM soto voice, mind you.

by **StarmanSkye** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:28 am

Yoweieieie ... My jaw-dropper of the day -- Ja, this Numbah Ten hatemonger moron is what passes for BushCo. 'expert' opinion alright ... Impeachment is too good for 'em. The Dems are either complicit, bought or blackmailed -- most of 'em are worthless at best, bottom-feeding scum. We need to support our 3rd, 4th and 5th alternative opposition parties like Greens, Independents, Socialists, even Libertarians, to get some long-overdue citizen-representation back into OUR Government ... --quote-- the molly ivins article talks about how 'Two weeks ago, Amir Taheri had an Op-Ed article in the Canadian National Post claiming that the Iranians have a law requiring Jews to wear yellow badges. It turned out to be a complete fabrication' well...this past 'Tuesday, Taheri was invited to the White House along with other “experts” to give the president their “honest opinions.” **** TOO much; In a just world Taheri would be charged with a hate crime at the least, or incitement to riot. (shaking head) Starman

by **dugoboy** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:39 am

yup starman the answer for all of is to help in the creation of local political resistence, its one of the major things you can do to affect local change. i don't know if i want to say this but at the rate were going we have like a 9% to 19% chance to stop any major thing... ___________________________________________ "BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."

by **greencrow0** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:00 am

Sometimes I think the answer would be that once every day, everyone goes out side their house and bangs pots and pans in the street....I remember that's how one group of citizens got rid of tyrants...banging on pots and pans. It has gotten to the point where action is necessary....I'm going to be attending a Peace Conference here in Vancouver towards the end of June. Hope to get some good ideas and connections out of that. GC

by **greencrow0** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:32 am

from thestar.com <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Anser Farooq, a lawyer who represents five of the accused, pointed at snipers on the roof of the courthouse and said: "This is ridiculous. They've got soldiers here with guns. This is going to completely change the atmosphere. "I think (the police) cast their net far too wide," he said, adding his clients are considering suing law enforcement agencies. The father of one accused, Mohammed Abdelhaleen, spoke outside the courthouse after his son's appearance, saying there is "no validation" to any of the charges against any of the suspects. "I have no idea what this is," said the distraught father. "I'm sure it's going to come to nothing. We're playing a political game here. I hope the judicial system realizes this." With quivering lips, the father said he was in "a very bad place right now. The damage is already done." Around the same time, Karl Nickner of the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations issued a statement that he is confident "the justice system will accord these individuals transparency, due process and the presumption of innocence." "We stand behind our security forces and the Canadian government in their desire to protect Canada," said the executive director. "As Canadian Muslims, we unequivocally condemn terrorism in all of its forms." It's still unclear how the group of suspects is connected and police Saturday offered few details of its alleged activities. But sources close to the investigation told the Star that the investigation began in 2004 when CSIS began monitoring fundamentalist Internet sites and their users. They later began monitoring a group of young men, and the RCMP launched a criminal investigation. Police allege the group later picked targets and plotted attacks. Last winter some members of the group, including the teenagers, went to a field north of the city, where they allegedly trained for an attack and made a video imitating warfare. Sources said some of the younger members forged letters about a bogus school trip to give to their parents so they could attend. Police said there were no known connections to Al Qaeda or international terrorist organizations, but that the group was homegrown, meaning the suspects were Canadian citizens, or long-time residents and had allegedly become radicalized here. This type of extremism was blamed for the suicide attacks in London last July which claimed the lives of 52 commuters travelling on the subway and a double-decker bus. "They appear to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by Al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance of CSIS, adding there is no direct link to the network. John Thompson of the Mackenzie Institute said he has told the Star he was not surprised by the arrests, pointing out he has long warned officials about the possibility of homegrown terrorists and what he dubbed the "jihad generation." "There's been a focus on (recruiting) younger Muslims, especially those who were mostly raised here," said Thompson, who is director of the Toronto-based think tank. Recruiters, or "ideological conditioners," he said, have been actively seeking members in Toronto-area mosques, community centres and schools since 2002. Officials have not linked the suspects to terror cells abroad, but Portelance was quick to point out the investigation is ongoing. Sources say the cases of two men from Georgia, now in custody in the U.S. facing terrorism charges, are connected to alleged members of the Canadian group.<hr></blockquote>

by **greencrow0** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:36 am

I'd really like to more about this guy: They appear to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by Al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance of CSIS, adding there is no direct link to the network. Luc Portelance...who the 'H' does he think he is....Why doesn't he stick to finding out what happened to Mr. Arrar?

by **StarmanSkye** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:42 am

--quote-- "Recruiters, or "ideological conditioners," he said, have been actively seeking members in Toronto-area mosques, community centres and schools since 2002." *** Sounds an AWFUL lot like Rummy's P2OG program -- the timing is right-on too. "According to Chris Floyd, in the November 1, 2002, CounterPunch article "Into the Dark. The Pentagon Plan to Provoke Terrorist Attacks" (<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd1101.html),">www.counterpunch.org/floyd1101.html),</a> "According to a classified document prepared for Donald Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization--the 'Proactive Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)'--will carry out secret missions designed to 'stimulate reactions' among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to 'counterattack' by U.S. forces." "The State Department decided to stop publishing an annual report on international terrorism after the government's top terrorism center concluded that there were more terrorist attacks in 2004 than in any year since 1985, the first year the publication covered." --Knight Ridder Newspapers (<a href="http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11407689.htm),">www.realcities.com/mld/kr...7689.htm),</a> April 15, 2005." <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Provocation_of_terrorism">www.sourcewatch.org/index..._terrorism</a> Starman

by **Qutb** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:06 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>is it just me or isn't it interesting this event happens today? theres a 911 truth conference going on in chicago as i type right now. its at the embassy suites near o'hare airport. alex jones, meria heller and steven jones spoke there last night."<hr></blockquote> Do you really think Canadian security services could give a rat's ass about a bunch of conspiracy crackpots assembled in Chicago for a conference devoted to their hobby? Any more than they would worry about a Star Trek conference? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>--quote-- "Recruiters, or "ideological conditioners," he said, have been actively seeking members in Toronto-area mosques, community centres and schools since 2002." *** Sounds an AWFUL lot like Rummy's P2OG program -- the timing is right-on too."<hr></blockquote> No, it sounds an awful lot like Islamist fundamentalist actively trying to recruit very young, more or less "westernized" Muslim men/youth, which is a phenomenon well known from the European Saudi-funded network of radical Islamist and Wahhabi mosques. Isn't it convenient that, whenever people for various reasons feel the need to construct an alternative narrative around an incident, they always find some reason why the "timing is just perfect", "so convenient" etc, which then serves as evidence that the whole thing was staged in order to distract from something else (like a an earth-shattering conspiratology-gathering in Chicago). "The timing is just too perfect!" It's a perfect argument which works every time. I'm not saying that the young men who were arrested are necessarily guilty, or that the police didn't exaggerate with the snipers on the roof and stuff, or even that there couldn't be some ulterior motive for striking at this moment. Who knows. But I think this knee-jerk conspiracist reaction to any incident involving terrorism or Islamism is nothing short of ridiculous. How is this different from Karl Rove's "we make or own reality"? Now, what I'm going to write next is going to shock some people, and will probably lead you to think I'm both insane and a disinfo agent living comfortably on my monthly salary from the Mossad, the MI6, the CIA and the BND, but I'll say it anyway: What security services around the world have been doing with regard to terrorism since September 11 2001 - with perhaps an exception for the American intelligence agencies - is better anlyzed as an almost panicked overreation to what they perceived as a real and imminent threat, than as a clever plot to get us all pliable and slowly conditioned for a coming NWO global police state. There, I said it. Now, bring the straightjacket and my medication. I realize no one here will agree with me in this conclusion. Politicians like Tony Blair and the Bush administration have obviously been opportunistically exaggerating the threat and milking it for all it's worth for political purposes. And I'm sure organizations like the MI6 - which represent the deeper institutional power structures behind the official figures, after all - aren't innocent in this regard either. Of course the security services have attempted - and probably succeeded - to infiltrate the suspected terrorist networks. That's their job. Of course they're trying to recruit "assets" and informants. That's how they operate. I'm sure they may adopt a "wait and see" approach in some cases and allow attacks to happen, for (extremely cynical) tactical reasons, and even for political reasons. There's also no doubt that lots of innocent people have been arrested and abused in the security services' "war on terror" (not talking about the actual wars in Iraq and Afghanistan here, which is another and separate subject), and that this is horrible. I'm not defending the security services here, and I certainly don't think they have the interests of us "common people" in mind most of the time... But they haven't invented this whole thing. No way. I think that's a horribly unlikely alternative narrative which requires an extreme voluntary ignorance of the most basic facts about Islamist radicalism and international terrorism.

by **greencrow0** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:16 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Re: Chickens already coming home to roost! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --quote-- "Recruiters, or "ideological conditioners," he said, have been actively seeking members in Toronto-area mosques, community centres and schools since 2002." *** Sounds an AWFUL lot like Rummy's P2OG program -- the timing is right-on too. "According to Chris Floyd, in the November 1, 2002, CounterPunch article "Into the Dark. The Pentagon Plan to Provoke Terrorist Attacks" (www.counterpunch.org/floyd1101.html), "According to a classified document prepared for Donald Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization--the 'Proactive Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)'--will carry out secret missions designed to 'stimulate reactions' among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to 'counterattack' by U.S. forces." "The State Department decided to stop publishing an annual report on international terrorism after the government's top terrorism center concluded that there were more terrorist attacks in 2004 than in any year since 1985, the first year the publication covered." --Knight Ridder Newspapers (www.realcities.com/mld/kr...7689.htm), April 15, 2005." www.sourcewatch.org/index..._terrorism Starman<hr></blockquote> ========================= Thanks, starman...good analysis, as per usual <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> GC

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