How do deal with people who think you are crazy, maybe I am?

by **glubglubglub** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:51 pm

Very few of the asleep are going to be awakend, esp. if your interaction ocurs in with you in a subordinate role (ie, doctor-patient and you're the patient). Sometimes it's best not to talk to such folks.

by **manxkat** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:44 pm

Inanna, you are NOT crazy. I've read some of your posts before and always find them interesting and thought provoking. You're a searcher, like most everybody in here. Hey, maybe we're all just bozos on this bus.... nah, we're just open minded and having the red-pill blues. That's the price of eyes wide open. I think you could benefit from having a friend who you can talk to in real time -- this board has its limits -- someone who has also taken the red pill. You can be each other's "therapists" for sanity. I have a friend 3000 miles away who, ironically, turned me onto 9/11 truth by sending me "In Plane Site" -- we've since agreed that there are much better films on the subject (like <a href="http://www.911blogger.com/2005/04/proper-release-of-griffin-in-madison.html" target="top">David Ray Griffin's</a> talks). My friend and I share e-mails a lot, but when either or both of us start feeling a little crazy, we pick up the phone and give each other much needed equilibrium -- it helps tremendously. Beyond 9/11 and Katrina and all our worries about what could happen, I would suggest that you find ways to counter the inevitable bummer-aspect of it all. For me, a number of things have been helpful -- playing or listening to music, getting away from the computer and the bad news, working on a creative project, being active, meditating (being in the NOW), getting stoned, sex, spirituality. Think of activities that have helped you in the past -- things that help you escape reality -- things that allow a vacation from the burdened mind. Nothing wrong with a little escapism, in my view -- in fact, I find it essential. It just needs to be kept in balance. Addictions are bad! ;-) It's often hard to get started on something positive when you're in bummer-mode. But, the key is to START. Inevitably, once I can get myself in gear on something that brings my better self out, there's an inertia that helps propel me forward with very little effort. Our bodies and our minds really want to feel and do good.... we just have to get started. I still vacillate between hope and despair though. It takes courage to face the dark side. Give yourself some credit for taking on this burden of responsibility, and then think of ways to build inner strength and keep hope alive in the face of it all. Thanks for getting this discussion going. I think a lot of us are dealing with self-questioning. These truths and realities are sometimes just too overwhelming.

by **Inanna** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:04 am

I sort of wondered after I posted this if I had not revealed too much, but now I am glad I took the risk. Today is my birthday and you've given me the gift of your replies, which I will really think about and re-read. The other present I got today was getting carded at the grocery store. I kid you not. I turned 46 today (not an easy age to turn) and the guy said they card anyone who looks under 40. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> So your replies and his comment were my presents today and they really mean a lot. Money cannot buy such things. Thanks!

by **Watchful Citizen** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:11 am

And thanks for sharing your life. I always learn something from other people's experiences. cheers!

by **GDN01** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:23 am

Happy Birthday Inanna! And if you wonder if you are crazy, you probably aren't. On standardized test for "craziness" they ask questions like, "Do you hear voices that no one else hears?" And the difference between sane people and crazy people is the sane people know not to admit it on a test for "craziness". People who are truly insane don't realize they are insane. Depression is not insanity - although it can make your life unbearable. Depression can be a sane response to difficult realities.

by **BlueCherub** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:24 am

I say you're NOT crazy and you're definitely NOT alone! My hubby has been alternately annoyed and perplexed with me for months because of my-in his words-"obsession" with politics and the troubling state of this country and the world today. That is he was until Katrina hit and he saw the evil crimes of Bush Inc. first hand. Since then, I'm not the only one yelling at the t.v. that's for sure! lol! So...Chin up...Let the light shine...And...Don't let the naysayers get you down! And...Happy Birthday! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **DrDebugDU** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:41 am

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by **chillin** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:24 am

I think most people will be a bit overwhelmed by the content of sites like RI and sites that deal with similar subjects, especially if they didn't give much thought to the shady aspects of our world until now. For me it helps to always try to keep any information I may find in proper perspective. So the mainstream media doesn't tell the whole truth... why should all these sites on the internet be any better? Always check the source of an article, there's tons of stuff written just to confuse people and make them waste their time worrying about complete fiction. I mean... what maybe 95% of the really bizarre stuff like aliens etc... come from the military and intelligence community to begin with. These outfits don't disguise the fact that they do a lot of misleading and deceptive things in the course of their duties. Then there are people who truly believe what they are writing about, but are on the wrong track without realizing it. So there's no reason to suddenly believe we've figured out THE ACTUAL TRUTH. When it comes to the activities of 'the Man', I find it's helpful to remember that historically speaking things are pretty much business as usual. All the way back to the beginning of recorded history there's been empires and wars and we're still here. So be good to yourself and try to keep a sense of humor! Obsess on on less disturbing subject matter for a while, do something fun =P

by **human** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:32 am

insane & sane are the same. and In Plane Sight is really bad. like.... really really bad. one human?

by **slimmouse** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>and In Plane Sight is really bad. like.... really really bad.<hr></blockquote> Well perhaps, like myself, you have managed to tune 500 people ( minimum estimate) in the past 5 weeks to the entire charade that is the "official" version of 9/11, only by alternative means. Ive simply used In plane sight. I do of course inform people, of my own reservations with the dvd, and ask them to check out all the facts for themselves. Asking people to think for themselves, and welcoming the passionate amongst them to the rabbit hole. That was also why it was fascinating ( and indeed reassuring) to check the "official" debunkers of this, and realise how 'really really bad' their attempts are to spot the 2 or 3 problem areas in it. I believe one of these sites , (with about five of the most useless debunking links Ive ever seen) is a major "Peak Oil" proponent. I suppose youve gotta fill your pages with something. Shame they dont spend more time and webspace, explaining to people that oil is a needless set of chains in itself, as a means of bleeding everyone dry. Rigorous intuition indeed. Amazing what you can get away with right ? I will of course however, stand corrected to anyone on here, who has personally done better than 500 converts (minimum) just recently, by an alternative short sharp blast initial presentation. Thanks in the meantime ( Manxkat) for your extremely constructive criticism. Trouble is, when youve only got 45 minutes, what does one do, without sending people to sleep with theory ?

by **Seventhson** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:43 pm

Happy Birthday! You said : "I finally decided I had to go see my Dr. again. I have a couple of issues I have struggled with over the years that require medication (of the psychotropic variety). At any rate, I've been given a new diagnosis. I am obsessive now, as in OCD and he gave me another drug to fix my serotonin levels. I mentioned 911 (inside job) and my thoughts on items related, and he'd never heard of any of it. I think he thinks I am crazy. Worst thing is, I am starting to think so too. I told him I am not alone in this thinking and that all these people cannot be crazy. Plus, who wouldn't be depressed if everything we are thinking is true? "At any rate, I am looking for some kind of guidance and reality check here. Yes, discovering what I did really changed my life and not for the better. I am not living a normal life ever since. I cannot find the energy or will to get most things done. I don't see a reason to get a job if I think the end is near. Yes, I realize depression is an issue for me and I've done my best to work on it, but then an incident like Katrina comes along and I just slide into the abyss." Reality Check: There are MILLIONS of people who feel just as you do, if not tens of millions. MOST folks slip into denial and repression of the awfulness of it all in order to cope. Dr. Helen Caldicott (please cxheck her out) calls it "psychic numbing". Like abuse or trauma survivors, blocking these thoughts and memorties and experiences is how many deal with it. Denial, like your doctor is engaged in, is often practiced, especially by the welathy and those who are comfortable with the status quo. Like stepping over a homeless person while being a tourist in Times Square and just forgetting about it. Not my problem, etc. But it IS our problem and folks like your doctor are PART of that problem. BUT -- The MAIN reason I responded to this is that it is critical that you look into possible Hypothyroidism (especially if you live near or downwind of nuke facilities or military bases). Radioactive iodine in the environment has caused a MAJOR pandemic of hypothyroidism. The Bushes have it. Tipper Gore has it. Rehnquist just died of thyroid cancer. etc. The fact is that radioactive pollution, nuke bomb testing, and leaks from commercial nuke plants (and legal regular emissions) put severely dangerous radiation into our bloodstreams via air, water, food, swimming in polluted waters, etc. Radioiodine gets absorbed by the thyroid which totally fucks up your hormonal - endocrine system - causing depression, chronic fatigue, emotional upheaval, forgetfulness, adhd and add, OCD, bipolar "disorder", along with a damaged immune sytem, low body temperature, heart palpitations, fibromyalgia, and general emotionalk exhaustion. I know this from working with the experts in these fields. Halliburton is a nuke builder. I believe they know they are killing us off and culling the herd, so to speak. They are covering it up to prevent their own prosecution for crimes against humanity and to maintain their power at all costs. The thyroid problem is pandemic and comes in many varieties and is accompanied by other radiopollutant effects (cancers, spontaneous abortions, mutagenic and carcinogenic substances in our organs and bones, teeth, etc.). I HIGHLY recommend that you check out the Broda Barnes Foundation website and do a basal body temperature test. Blood tests for thyroid problems and poorly informed medical practitioners miss the issue altogether and don't "get" the problem. With all the depressing stuff we are dealing with, I think they want us to be sick and fatigued. So we do not resist or have the strength to. I will say this: I take comfort from the notion that there is a spiritual purpose to life. I also take comfort from the prediction of a great human being that in critical and awful times, the only real comfort we will have is understanding the Truth, the truth that righteous souls are immortal and that wicked ones are damned and weill be excised if they maintain their evil. That helps me to endure the pain of all this suffering. But getting on a natural thyroid medication might help you a lot too - at least to have the strength to face the truth and cope with it. Peace and good luck Seventhson

by **LoganSquare** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:44 pm

Hi Inanna: Let me suggest a book that can offer some perspective on why many people will not acknowledge reality. "The corruption of Reality," by John F. Schumaker. (From the library catalog description<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> This groundbreaking volume examines our sometimes strained grasp of reality and sheds new light on three subject areas that continue to fascinate researchers, namely, religion, hypnosis, and psychopathology. In The Corruption of Reality, noted psychologist John F. Schumaker argues that, despite their superficial differences, religion, hypnosis, and psychopathology are all expressions of the unique human ability to modify and regulate reality in ways that serve the individual and society. In turn, these same behaviors can be traced to the the brain's remarkable capacity to process information along multiple pathways, thus allowing us to distort reality in strategic ways that enhance coping. Schumaker basically says that they can't handle the truth. If you want to lead a more "normal' life you're going to have to better learn to dissociate. (again from the library description<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> . . . rance-related brain faculty, known as dissociation, is revealed as a crucial determinant of what we come to experience as human reality. Taking a broad multidisciplinary approach, Schumaker demonstrates that reality is usually orchestrated at the level of culture in the form of traditional religion, with religion having been a total way of life in premodern times. In order to function optimally, religions (with the exception of most Western ones) employ dissociative trance-induction techniques that take advantage of drugs, music, dance, and other sources of repetitive monotony. Many of these closely resemble hypnotic induction techniques as they exist in Western culture. They also operate similarly to the cognitive rituals that establish and maintain nonreligious abnormal behavior, better known as psychopathology or mental illness. In this last area, special attention is given to drug abuse, eating disorders, phobias, obsessive-compulsive disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, and responses to trauma. Many of these disorders, Schumaker argues, are the direct result of the inability of Western culture, with its severely eroded religious systems, to function adequately in its role as regulator of reality. Schumaker proposes ways to revitalize our sick Western culture, including the controversial prospect of constructing a new religion incorporating our current knowledge about our peculiar relationship to ourselves and the world. Along these lines, he offers innovative solutions to such pressing global problems as over-population and ecological destruction. Rigorously argued yet written in a style accessible to all readers, The Corruption of Reality challenges traditional ideas and paves the way for a far-reaching unified theory of conscious and unconscious behavior. Sorry for the length, but it is good, no?

by **maggrwaggr** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:46 pm

the sane will seem insane. We are living in an insane country right now. What's that Orwell quote? Something about times when pointing out the obvious seems revolutionary? We're living in times like that. Many of us here share your views and feelings. Just last night I stayed up very late with my wife talking about the Bird Flu Pandemic which supposedly is definitely on its way. This is freaking me out, because a month ago I might have thought "okay, this is possibly just a bunch of fear-mongering". But then, before Katrina hit, I read a news article about the storm, saying it was going to turn New Orleans into "an Atlantis" and thousands could die and possibly millions be homeless. And I remember thinking "oh, come on, it's not gonna be THAT bad." And we all saw what happened. So now I'm taking this bird flu thing very serious. Trouble is, it's literally keeping me up nights. I'm so worried about it I feel like I'm going a little nuts. Like .... when do you decide to get out of the city, when do you pull your kids out of school, for how long do you need to avoid contact with other humans, and even if you manage to effectively quarantine yourself, are you still susceptible once you return to civilization ......??? So the stress from knowing these things and thinking about them probably CAN drive us nuts. The challenge is how to deal with them so we don't go nuts. So we can at least sleep at night. Buddhism has the right idea -- it starts with the notion that life is suffering and we're all gonna die. And it goes from there, to a place of great joy of living in the moment and nonjudgment.

by **Seventhson** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:02 am

maggrwaggr said "Buddhism has the right idea -- it starts with the notion that life is suffering and we're all gonna die. And it goes from there, to a place of great joy of living in the moment and nonjudgment." Seriously too there are two things that I think are important: 1. Is that the ability to cope generally and psychological exhaustion is very likley caused by extremely high lkevels of radioisotopes and other pollutants in our environment. Most doctors have NO inkling about this stuff and the Bushes et al are the main players in the nuke industry covering up this means of killing off millions of us every year. Thus - knowing that this stress is NOT our own fault - our own weakness as human beings or opur own bad genes or bad living, at least helps ME to cope. We are the victims of a sophisticated culling using nuke plants as portable Auschwitzes - destroying us and destroying our wills to live and fully resist.. They do not need camps for mass exterminations when all they have to do is turn up a dial at any nuke facility and increase the cancer, mortality and spontaneous abortion rates etc downwind in any given time period. I must assume that they (the BFEE elites) have the remedial and preventive techniques and doses for THEIR peers and loved ones and essential slaves while we get ill and more and more psychologically distressed and exhausted. 2. Like Buddhism, Jesus basically says the same thing ( I was raised taught that Jesus and Buddha were the same soul anyway) = that knowing the Truth will give us comfort and that being a realized human being understanding that love and goodness are what will save the soul and that evil will NOT prevail in the ultimate cosmic game --- will be the knowledge that will give us peace of mind, despite the terrible days which come and the apparent successesf evil men. Holding fast to that truth can get us through every day, I believe (like holding on to the Damaan of Meher Baba - a faith in goodness) But I also believe that resistance to such evil strengthens our souls. Sharing here and communing with like minded souls sharing knowledge and truth and the comfort of a community of pretty righteous people (not self-righteous hypocrite fundies) helps a lot. I am glad you asked the question. It would be like being in Nazi Germany in the 1930's and saying "Am I nuts or are these bastards INSANE?" and having all the "good Germans" tell you Hitler is a mellow groove.

by **maggrwaggr** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:52 am

That's putting it very well, seventhson. The more I think about it, the more I think we're in a similar situation to exactly 100 years ago. Remember what came AFTER 1905? World War One and the great Spanish flu epidemic. Uh, right after the "roaring 90's" (dot com fever). I think we're in for some seriously bad times ahead, the next 15 years or so, and we can only hope to each survive it (or in my case I want my kids to survive it, hopefully with me and my wife). It's gonna get WAY WAY fucked up. Yet when I look around me I see most people don't have a clue. Or if they do, they're not letting on. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I suppose from the outside, most people would have no idea of the things I think and fret about. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> But yeah, these are insane times, the most insane and stressful times I've ever seen (I'm 43). And I seriously think they're going to get worse. "Challenging" is about the most positive word I can give it.

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