Catherine Ausin Fitts

by **Dreams End** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:21 pm

I noticed that Ms. Fitts, or someone claiming to be her, also posted on the recent blog post. I wrote this to her in the comments but I repeat this here for a fuller hearing in case she wishes to respond. Welcome, Catherine. I've always been curious about something. Despite the fact that you are featured rather prominently as a contributor on Michael Ruppert's site, I never see anything about Peak Oil on your own site. Wouldn't that be an important factor in helping people invest, and wouldn't Ruppert's vision of total collapse make such investments irrelevant? Also, I see on your site, <a href="http://www.solari.com/index.html,">www.solari.com/index.html,</a> helpfully linked from your post, that you appeared at a Pinnacle Quest International Seminar. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> New! Oct 23-28 Catherine to speak at the annual Pinnacle Quest International (PQI) Q2 International Conference, along with colleagues Mike Ruppert, Fredric Lehrman, Jon Rappoport. Click here to see Catherine's PowerPoint slides (if you do not have PowerPoint, click here for PDF version minus the animation). <hr></blockquote> Doesn't it bother you that PQI is a known scam? And that, specifically, it makes money with "investment schemes" since, you know, you also are trying to educate people about LEGITIMATE investment schemes. Surely you know of the reputation of PQI. Here's an article from a Consumer Reports type site: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Warning: Pinnacle Quest International 2-May-2003 Consumers' Institute is warning people away from a US-based pyramid scheme called Pinnacle Quest International (PQI). Consumer says PQI "sales consultants" are currently touring New Zealand, holding meetings and selling "investment" CDs and seminars. "The claims and promises made by this company are absurd and in some cases likely to be illegal," said Consumer's acting chief executive, Simon Wilson. "If people sign up for the whole deal, they are going to find themselves over $40,000 out of pocket. "We've been advised of a meeting in Napier in which a PQI consultant announced that 'most people' who sign up with PQI become millionaires within five years, some even three. "We have also been assured by a PQI consultant that the information dispensed by PQI is 'usually only available to the mega-rich'. The same consultant told us the average return from investing in 'secret companies' was 'around 100 percent per annum'." Mr Wilson described these claims as the "typical nonsense" of a pyramid investment scam. How it works PQI's American website sets out how the company works. Consultants hold meetings at which attendees are encouraged to pursue a three-stage "educational process". First, they buy a set of instructional CDs (cost US$1280). Second, they attend a seminar - there's one in Mexico in June (cost US$6280). Finally, they attend a seminar on a cruise ship (cost US$15,000). These amounts do not cover accommodation, airfares, food or expenses, but only purchase of the CDs or entry to the seminars. Consumer says local PQI consultants have confirmed the same system operates here. "One of their consultants told a Consumer staffer that a very high percentage of the money paid by consumers goes in commission to the sales consultant," said Mr Wilson. "He said US$1000 of the CD package, US$5000 of the Mexican seminar and US$10,000 of the cruise ship seminar is commission." Mr Wilson said PQI also sells information on how to avoid paying taxes, through establishing offshore companies in "tax havens". "The material relates primarily to US federal taxes. It will be of little use to New Zealand citizens, and may breach American tax laws if used there." Mr Wilson says PQI may indeed make some people rich. "Like all pyramid schemes, it's a scam designed to make its inventors rich at the expense of everyone else who buys into it," he said. "We doubt the value of the advice on investments and taxes. But we are in no doubt that if you pay the thousands this outfit is asking, you will be very lucky to see any of it again." PQI has already been in trouble in US courts. Court proceedings filed last December in Oklahoma by a former PQI consultant, David Wayne Starky, described it as "perhaps the largest and most notorious tax fraud scheme in history". In another case dating back to August 1998, the Massachusetts equivalent to our Securities Commission declared Global Prosperity Group (which was closed down in May last year and "re-opened" the next day as PQI) to be "an illegal pyramid scheme". It was ordered permanently to cease trading in that state. Upcoming meetings * Auckland: 5-9 May * Hamilton: 12-16 May These dates are flexible, and consultants are able to conduct meetings at short notice anywhere in New Zealand. <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.consumer.org.nz/newsitem.asp?docid=1476&category=Scams&topic=Pinnacle%20Quest%20International%20warning">www.consumer.org.nz/newsi...%20warning</a> I find it a little worrisome that someone who is advising investors would be associated with such a pyramid scheme. In fact, I think I find your weighing in on the RA situation troubling, if this is the kind of company you keep. And even if it isn't a scam, isn't their structure just a tad too...well, you know...EXPENSIVE for the average folks: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> PQI sales consultants are in New Zealand promoting a "three-stage educational process," we learned. "First, you buy a set of instructional CDs (cost, $2200). Second, you attend a seminar. The next is in Mexico (cost, $10,800). Then, you attend another seminar on a cruise ship (cost, nearly $26,000). These fees cover entry to the seminar and purchase of the CDs. They do not include airfares, accommodation, food or expenses."<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html">www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html</a> Care to comment?

by **antiaristo** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:00 pm

Hey there Freemason. Smearing away again, from behind that pseudonym? There's a concept you Talmud merchants don't seem to get. It's called hypocrisy. How 'bout clearing your own account before coming the tough guy eh?

by **proldic** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:01 pm

talmud merchants? Doesn't that pretty much say it all right there? Nazi-ism. Plain & Simple. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=proldic@rigorousintuition>proldic</A> at: 11/13/05 3:05 pm

by **Dreams End** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:08 pm

anti- I responded to your post over at "killing veritas". Admittedly, it's not the response you want...and since you don't trust me, then there's simply no way I'll get you to believe that I really have no idea what you are saying most of the time. I do understand "talmud merchants" however, and I thank you for indicating to the casual reader what your stance is. I would, however, appreciate it if you didn't clutter up this thread. Feel free to start another Dream's End is a scumbag thread. I really will try to respond if you can say something coherent enough for me to respond to. My suggestion would be to assume that someone new has joined the site and doesn't know the background of your feelings about me. Explain it clearly enough that THAT person could understand and maybe I'll be able to as well. However, I think your "Talmud merchants" comment is really about all we need to know. So can we agree to that at least? That you allow this thread to be on the topic I started?

by **Qutb** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:13 pm

"Talmud merchants" pretty much says it all, yes.

by **AnnaLivia** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:19 pm

SAY IT AIN’T SO Oh Please Say It Ain’t So. Tell me this is just about confusion that got worse. Tell me this is just about you two inexplicably getting your wires crossed a while back, and never getting it sorted. Tell me this is more about our lives being too busy to go back and cross all the t’s and dot all the i’s, than about anything else. Tell me this is about how our damn egos are working against us. Tell me this is about how twisted things can get when we feel attacked, and feel we must defend ourselves. Tell me this is proof that second chances are deserved and must be given. Tell me we all manage to need to be forgiven sooner or later. Tell me we all can manage to forgive. Tell me this is about tragic miss takes in communications, about miniature mistakes overblown, about missed understandings, about how words fail us against our will. Tell me this is really about an absurd pissing contest…about how testosterone can plague men like PMS can make my hormones plague me. Tell me my world has not gone inside out and upside down to yet another degree. Tell me that I need weep no longer… oh, tell me… tell me… oh, tell me… before i have cried a river! I cannot really even apologize for the sidetrack, DE…for this is far more important to me than another “elite” taking care of their own un-classy class. Those types are a dime a dozen. My friends are not. -from a very sad AnnaLivia, who never thought she'd come back to find this...

by **Dreams End** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:34 pm

I don't know what to tell you, ALP...anti accused me of some stuff awhile back, and I really don't have any idea what he's talking about. I really don't. If he is your friend...encourage him to repost, with some context, exactly what he thinks I'm guilty of. Then YOU read it, and when you think it's clearly enough stated that I have a chance to understand, I'll go read it as well and respond if I can. But honestly, I've been looking over his correspondence in data dump and there are dozens of single space pages, and no signposts to follow. I know he feels that somehow the US is in danger of being reabsorbed into the UK, which seems quite unlikely to me. I also know he called me a "talmud merchant." That seems QUITE clear to me. This thread, should anyone remember, is about Catherine Austin Fitts, who I doubt will actually respond but I started the thread just in case, since she recently commented on Jeff's blog. So I don't know what you are crying about, but if it's reconciliation you want...that might be a way to go, though I have no hope that I will ever understand what anti is accusing me of.

by **AnnaLivia** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:26 pm

if i understood how the wires got crossed in the first place, i'd explain it myself...to you, to me, to the rest of the board. (and it's my belief that there are other cases of this "wire-crossing" on the board besides you and anti, too.) at this point, i think it may be impossible to really unravel...or maybe just not worth the time and effort it would take, considering the really important things we are all up against. it is not you who has caused me this grief i am feeling now, DE. yes, it was anti's statement. i am well-aware i get it wrong sometimes. plenty more times than i'd like. but i think anti has got himself painted into a corner without meaning to do so. i think he is trapped now as if in a bad dream. i imagine him bewildered, frankly, at how things got to the way they are. what i want, is to offer him a caring hand...a way out. i simply cannot believe he belongs on the pile with soulman and thumperton and mm. if i do turn out to be wrong, well, Ruth is not shy as you know. but i DON'T think i'm wrong. i guess we shall see. yes, the ball is in anti's court now. editing this is: i know a magic word that, if used sincerely, can erase a pile of woes all by itself. the word, dear anti, is "truce". it would be 'nuff said? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=annalivia@rigorousintuition>AnnaLivia</A> at: 11/13/05 8:21 pm

by **antiaristo** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:15 am

Yes, Talmud merchant. By their fruits ye shall know them. One of the side benefits of fighting Talmud merchants over these eleven plus years is to learn the techniques of the craft. DreamsEnd has the grounding. If one technique does not work, he moves on to the next. 1) Ignore and evade 2) Write a third party announcement, not a reply 3) Smear with reams of others’ words all the while denying same (“now these are not anti’s words”) 4) Depart the Board rather than explain (but don’t miss the opportunity of a leaving address to the world) 5) Sneak back under a different name 6) Pretend it’s all a joke 7) Start a new thread and explicitly deny what has gone before 8 ) Pretend he doesn’t understand what I’m saying 9) Set himself up to administer posting qualifications for visitors Every single one of these techniques has “Craft” written all over it. The more so when used in conjunction and in combination. I’ve seen it all before. In person. Up front and close. You, AnnaLivia, do NOT have that experience, and your words may be simple naivety, I don’t know. But you are aligning yourself with Masons. Your prerogative, of course, but if you do so STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT BUSH. He’s YOUR man. Tell you what, Anna. Take a look at the first posting. <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm35.showMessage?topicID=5.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...ID=5.topic</a> Now you tell me you can’t understand that. Then tell me you cannot understand the rest of the thread. For the avoidance of doubt. Scottish Rite Freemasons follow the Talmud. That is their religious basis for how they treat the “profane”. It essentially comes down to hypocrisy and double standards. And it’s destroying everything decent people hold dear on this planet. Take care of your own soul, AnnaLivia, and I'll take care of mine.

by **AnnaLivia** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:47 pm

well well. always glad to have the truth come out, even...especially, even... when it leads where i never thought it would. war it is, then, anti.

by **banned** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:23 am

...we print. Or, "If it isn't Fitts you must acquits"? Why did this end up in the Fire Pit when there's another one on the same subject back in the regular board?

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:30 am

I copied the hijacked version of the thread here, and deleted the off-topic posts from the thread left behind in order to invite on-topic remarks.

by **jenz** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:58 am

thanks for saying it. am also peed off with oft times rapid descent to chest thumping contest, ends up waaaay too complicated to pull out of with ease and dignity.

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