Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

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I worked with Mary's brother for over a year, we became good friends, he shared a great deal of information with me and it seems a lot of the people in the orgone movement have a connection somewhere to Monarch or any of the MK - ultra, Delta etc programmes, some say millions have been through the programming globally.

I personally have always thought the sybolism of the caterpiller turning into the butterfly was very transcendant and often view this life as the caterpillar stage, imagine how a caterpillar feels turning into a butterfly, its a powerful metaphor.

My own history of freemasonic sexual trauma based abuse led me down a road of self distruction, only to discover my essences in altered states of consiousness, I see many turning into the butterflies they are meant to be be everyday ... I did wonder about the yellow brick road quote, it flagged a warning. The inherrant need of most of us on this board and other movements could be the manifestation of a negative trigger, it could also be a very powerful postitve one for change..the article is very interesting none the less.

I see no coincidences in the life I traverse nowadays. And this one shakes me to the core. Within one hour of posting this thread I had massive stomach pain, it continued to get worse for nine hours until finally in tears I had to call an abulance to take me to hospital, i was operated on instantly as my appendix had burst, I am currently recovering from this and two allergic reactions to the drugs i was given...not fun.

Not sure if this has any meaning or purpose just putting it out there. maybe my lungs will collapse now lol.

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[marykmusic]

So we probably know each other, too... eh? --MaryK

PS: perhaps the extra posts can be deleted by you. I also get a notice that my posts didn't go through; then I check and sure enough, they're there.

I also don't get through at all sometimes, and get a page saying that "the CPU usage has exceeded its capacity. Try again later."

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So we probably know each other, too... eh? --MaryK


Yeah Mary I am the one you and Dragon accuse of being MI6. http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=8684

[marykmusic]

Well, we certainly are not going there, are we?

I recently had the nasty but eye-opening experience of discovering myself to be a Multiple. And I'm not the only one among the Orgonauts... tough call, even tougher to admit. My brother is probably one, too. After all, that's a legacy of being an M-Kid.

[Jewels1]

I, also, just recently remembered my DID/MK_ULTRA/RA etc., etc., past.
The memories came, then I found the validation-everywhere!

I have a website (see below) where I document as much as I can remember (my older sister has more memories, but is still easily triggered by the cult/Illuminati so does not stay in contact with me.)

Yes, the claims sound ludicrous. I mean, if you knew me, I would be the LAST person to believe any of this stuff! But my eyes have been opened these last couple of years. Big time. And I am a grandmother! Not someone given to flights of fancy, either.

My webpage is listed below, but a bit on Monarch-out of all the websites of woman who have gone public and written books and so forth, I admire Kathleen Sullivan's work the most. And not because she has put some of my writings on her site. She has a lot of integrity and is very down to Earth. Her webpage http://www.naffoundation.org/ She covers almost every aspect of Monarch and MK_ULTRA along with Artichoke Naomi, Delta, Search, Bludbird, etc. Everything. Including RA.

I also, on my website, go into the subject of electronic harassment and gang-stalking. And have much info on this "Silent Holocaust of the 21st Century" as it has been called. On Oct 10th we had a National Day of Recognition to try to increase awareness of these tortures.

Don't suspend your belief in ANYTHING unless you research it first. Why do I say this like some authority? 'Cuz my world has turned upside down in the last couple years! Talk about a Paradigm Shift!!!

Ron Patton has some good info on Monarch Slave Building. but my S/O is home and it is time to decorate the Anti-Christ TREE!!! (LONG, LONG story!)

Take care all and TTYS. IF you don't get tired of me first. I LOVE THIS STUFF!!

[Truth4Youth]

Here's an interview with soem interesting angles on "Monarch" and ritual abuse with an acutal 'deprogrammer':

Interview With Russ Dizdar: Demonic Possession and Cult Crime

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Russ Dizdar is the man behind the Shatter the Darkness ministry. Shatter the Darkness is a ministry dedicated to helping people who are victims of ritual abuse or mind control recover. Russ has courageously infiltrated and busted cults and has helped police forces learn more about cult crime. He has appeared on such radio shows and podcasts as The Power Hour, Channel Z, Peering Into Darkness Radio, From the Grassy Knoll, The Edge AM, New World Exposure, Frankly Speaking Radio, and The Byte Show/Wee Hour Radio.

Q: How did you get involved in the fight to put an end to cult crime?

When victims came for help. We listened to the stories and claims they made of the abusers. We began to track the stories they told us. This led us to the satanic crimes of adults...their meeting places, more details of the rituals they do and goals they have.

Q: How and why does someone become demonically possessed?

As babies/children in covens they receive dark spirits through the blood lines of their parents and the forced placements of the demons in/on them by coven people. They use rituals to call up the spirits to place and or they place them by transferring them one to another.
The primary way people get demons is through the 'doors' they open up to......light level stuff....occult games....deeper levels ...practicing occult arts. Demons can also come by deep anger and bitterness and cause an 'attachment'. Others get demons by calling on them and inviting them in.
Some people open up to demons by new age practices of channeling ...or healing powers that are not of the Holy Spirit.

Q: What is spiritual warfare?

It’s the back drop of all human existence. In the garden it all began as a spiritual war.........Israel had spiritual war......Jesus was born in the context of spiritual war.....and so on. Spiritual warfare is the battle that goes on in the heavenlies....demons verses angels....God verses Satan....... Satan’s attack on Christians......it is the war of satanic forces on the lost to keep them lost. It is satanic forces fighting against Christians and the Church. It is also God's war against evil...Satan. It is one of the main reasons for Jesus coming to help us...see 1John 3:8...

Q: What is the Black Awakening?

This is a term that many of the 'cult multiples… satanic chosen ones use to describe a time when they will be activated to unleash chaos and anarchy into the USA and other countries...... to cause collapse and pave the way for a 'new world order' and the rise of the antichrist.
There are over 4 million diagnosed cases of MPD/SRA......and 4+million more who are still out there. Someone has orchestrated this. There is a vast underground at work.
These satanic super soldiers as I call them are placed everywhere as sleepers waiting for the call. The secret power of lawlessness...and the great 'rebellion'(chaos-anarchy-coo) spoken about in 2 Thessalonians is directly connected to this event.

Q: How will the Black Awakening be carried out? Why and how will the Black Awakening happen?

The BA will be carried out by the hundreds of thousands of highly trained...programmed and demonized 'satanic chosen ones', who will be activated from their 'sleeper' status and released to carry out their pre-chosen tasks.
The BA will occur as the spiritual air is turning darker......it will happen when antichrist and his regime is ready to come to power. They must collapse the current powers that be so they can replace them.

Q: How does mind control tie into all of this?

Mind control is much more than the 'mind'. It is soul control. It is the total control and use of a human being for a pre-planned purpose. It is the mind and personal control of a person to do the desire, will and evil.....of those who created them.

Q: What are Chosen Ones?

'Chosen Ones 'is the term use by many of the programmed/mind controlled/demonized victims. They tell me it is their designation. Given them by the makers and handlers... or the heads of the group (satanic order). It means they are specially chosen by them and Satan to be and carry out a very important task.

Q: What is Project Monarch?

Some think it was a diversion.....to let out only fabricated information. Most tell me it was the carry over plan that began with the Nazis. They wanted an army of loyal super soldiers to help conquer the world. The monarch project is the OSS to CIA black underground project.......Monarch butterflies are an insect that have migrated to every content of the earth, thus the plan was to place these monarch satanic super soldiers in every part of the world, before they unleash them for chaos, death and anarchy.


Q: How does the mind control work?

It imposes the will and plans of another on the mind and life of a person who they have come to control.
It’s like hypnosis. The words and thoughts of another are controlling a person who is under trance....or mental programming.

Q: What are people under mind control made to due for their “masters”? (Please do not get to graphic Russ as this website is intended for people of all ages)

They are made to do things like ...keep tabs on a person....perform a ritual....sex.....harm.....kill...... Anything they want done under that form of mind control can be done.


Q: How does the healing come about for a victim of mind control and/or ritual abuse?

Awareness! First since no human was made for mind control and the abuse that comes with it......many of them break down and seek help.
It involves the process of a trusted worker who can help get rid of the demonic and bring them healing of the Lord Jesus Christ.


Q: How do the Nazis figure into things?

The Nazis were control by their beliefs in occult ideology and the Aryans.....a race of supermen/gods. Their beliefs that came from the demonic moved them to political and military ideology.....that demonic ideology moved them to destroy millions in the ovens of the camps.....to annihilate the Jews (Jews were a pig race to them). The Nazi doctors, scientists and the demonic combined to create a plan of making super soldiers out of the Aryans. The Aryans have the powers in the blood line... and was to be drawn out of the German people. They developed the demonic technology of splitting the human will program it and then demonize it. This process has gone on around the world for 60 years even though the war ended. The plan is larger and broader than most believe. From Germany to Russia, in France, Italy, all over Europe the USA and England....from South Africa the colony of Digadag in S. America..........the plan and agenda continues to this day. They have grown and seek to 'perfect' the creation of controlled human beings for world control.

Q: Do you believe the Nazi movement was rooted in the occult and if so why?

Yes. As you re-read the origins of the Nazis and where they got their beliefs systems......you see it comes from the roots and stems of the occult.
The hall of the dead at Himmler'castle.......the knowledge and embrace of the Aryans........a race of godmen with supernatural powers........this came from the Akashic records(demonic records or information.....and the spirits who 'revealed' the 'true' history of the human race to Madam Blavatsky.
As one occult historian says.....the first greatest proliferation of occult literature occurred in pre Nazi Germany and paved the way for the spirits!

The same historian says the 2nd greatest proliferation of dark occult literature was released in the 60's here in the USA....thus the demonizing of America!


Q: Do you believe that one of the Nazis that were brought over to America after World War II was Joseph Mengele and if so why?

Yes, there is now an abundance of materials on this and the Operation Paper Clip files tell us a part of the truth. Many survivors of mind control and satanic ritual abuse who are now in their late 40's and early 50' all tell of German speaking 'scientists' who led the way with US military trainers present. Most all the real 'satanic chosen ones have created personalities in them who speak fluent German and are pro Nazi.

Q: Is it true that many victims of ritual abuse have psychic powers such as remote viewing and if so why?

Yes, they all seem to have powers. A long history of the placement of the demons and the training ... for the drawing out the 'powers in the blood' of the chosen ones. They have done many rituals and received transferred down powers from others who were old and dying.

Q: How is the military complex involved in any of this?

The military leaders were unprepared and unable to discern the real demonic intent. We... the US were infiltrated with an occult ideology and embraced it as an idol of demonic technology for military superiority.
We, the US have sold our soul to the devils plan.........the devils plan was to give the 'secret' 'superior' military demonic/technology to Christ less/ Godless military and political dupes only to grab control of them in the end for his own evil purpose.

Q: Is the Vatican involved in any this and if so how?

The Vatican opened its doors to the Nazis and helped create the rat lines that led thousands of the worst Nazis out to safe places. Many of those Nazi’s put on the clothes of the priests and continued and dark plan. This included taking and abusing children in rituals to gain demonic powers of 'secrecy ' and ascendancy. There is a satanic underground in the Vatican..........which will back the coming antichrist and the false prophet that the Book of Revelation speaks about.

Q: Is the Mormon Church involved in any this and if so how?

All I know of the Mormon Church is that they have vast secrets....they deny the Deity of Christ and many remote viewers seem to have a background with them. Some 'chosen ones' tell me that the Mormon Church is infiltrated with sleepers.

Q: Many skeptics believe that victims of ritual abuse are experiencing false memory syndrome. Why do you disagree with this?

Yes I disagree. There are too many of them. We have tracked for 20+ years the stories of the victims ....which have historic reality.....the encounter with the demonic and the Healing of the inside personalities all demonstrated the reality of SRA/MPD/DID. Those most opposed to the reality of all this are tied into the perpetrator backing 'false memory syndrome foundation' which seeks to discredit abuse and memories of victims… The FMSF was founded with the help of two CIA mind control experts … Dr Orn and Dr. 'Jolly' West.......along with a child pedophile who was committed to the child sex group NAMBLA!
There is a lot of good science on the formation of memory now.
I have personally seen way too much to doubt the reality of the memories and stories of the victims.

Q: Could you tell us some of your stories as a cult buster?

We have helped victims, hid them from covens and handlers, engaged the demonic in verbal battles, staked out ritual sites, confiscated ritual robes tools etc., and received death threats and attempts. We have turned in perpetrators and involved law enforcement many times. We were permitted to teach in the UAPD police academy and assist in cult crime field work.
We have turned over evidence of a 'chose one' whose inner personality ritually murdered two teenage girls.

Q: A lot of people say that these shadowy cults are controlled by a reptilian bloodline possibly demonic or extraterrestrial in origin. Have you come by any evidence in your research and studies to prove this or at least believe make you believe this?

I believe that the shadowy cults… the ancient brotherhood...of the black flame etc....are rooted in the darkest and deepest of demonic powers. This involves bloodlines that may go back to the Nephilim of Genesis ch.6.
I believe that the powers behind the agenda are EDB's (Extra Dimensional Beings)... all of them in all of their forms are demonic.

Questions from readers:

From reader Baron Von Lotsov: One deprogramming method I was told about is like the short sharp shock method where you dislodge the programming by setting up a state of dissonance in the subject. For example you find two strongly held programmed beliefs that the subject clings to and you point out a logical contradiction between the two. In the subjects brain the two energies protecting those two beliefs will fight each other if you keep repeating the problem until the mind can't handle it anymore so the mind rejects the entire lot. It is supposed to be far more effective than the system prescribed methods involving long and drawn out counseling. Could you mention this to him and let me know what he thinks, cheers.

Thank you... wow very good, but this method is better used with those from the Moonies and cults like that, their form of mind control (totalism) is different than the victim of SRA/MPD/DID.
The programming instilled in the 'chosen ones' runs almost blindly since it was put in and re-enforced after a split of human personality.............then the programmed personality is demonized to enforce and ensure the 'doing' of the program.
Getting rid of the demonic power in and on the programming is first and vital.....then with the help of the Holy Spirit/Christ....in this 'power' encounter.....programming begins to break....in the next step of inner healing the programming is dismantled......

From Molly Coddle: What does a victim of satanic abuse (child or adult) do to break free of the trauma based control?

Cry out to the real Jesus and seek to get trusted helpers who believe them.....recognize the voices in your head.....realize missing time.....choose to know and get help. They have to get away from those who handle and control them.

How do you spot honey traps?

Seduction and Sex for information. The COG the children of god cult ....the girls were trained and expected to do gospel 'fishing"… lure men to the cult by offering sex. A Satanist who had 'war on the saints' tattooed on their left wrist would join a church and lure the youth away with sex......free sex is a high level tool for spies and Satanists in recruiting..........and deceiving people.

How do you know when you are being "love bombed?"

Love bombing is used deeply by the Unification Church at meetings........when you feel they are controlling every move you make... even when you go to the bathroom. They consume you with talk and activity so that you cannot 'think'. The goal of this method is not to genuinely love you but it’s a METHOD to control your thinking......they don’t want you to think......you are smothered!

And what is the trademark of an experienced ritual abuser?

The trademark of a known ritual abuser is their knowledge! And their secrecy!! They can be anything 'respectable in the public eye.
You may have met some at a church... an office....etc......they work in their circle of abusers (the coven).

[Truth4Youth]

I should have put a link in there, sorry:

http://whale.to/b/dizdar.html

[marykmusic]

I dislike what that guy's saying... perhaps it's the religious angle, or possibly the part about babies are forcibly "demonized."

There's some real, and a lot of high propaganda that could be dangerous to anyone who thought it was Truth. --MaryK

[Jewels1]

I have read claims that so-called "Monarch" victims are tattooed with the butterfly. That seems immediately ridiculous to me. Why physically brand someone who is supposed to be an "undetectable" slave? Talk about rendering an agent inoperable!

From my understanding, it is the "Inferior" children who are branded. Those of Illuminati bloodlines are kept free of any physical scars or defects.
I guess most "unaware" persons would not associate a butterfly tattoo with any type of covert op...IMHO.
Jewels

[Cosmic Cowbell]

There are those who seem bent on hooking the MKULTRA wagon to the phenomenon of Alien Abduction and I think it is about time to explore these claims further. Reading through OSR's essay, I really find only one rather vauge reference that attempts to connect Abductions to MC programs.

Abductees, abducted from early childhood onwards, have been pre-conditioned to respond to their abductors’ presence by immediately regressing into a childlike passive state that they have no autonomous control over and to which they often find themselves in tremendous internal conflict because of their perceived powerlessness. A carefully studied scrutiny of the phenomenology of what occurs during an actual abduction is ultimately revealed, not by focusing on the descriptions of the behavior of the alien abductors or on the stories that these beings tell their captive children, but by looking at the behavioral pathology of the abductees from what they themselves report that they do behaviorally during these encounters. There are consistent patterns that have been shown to be universals in these events despite the split between those who believe that these are positive life-enhancing experiences and those who hold the extreme opposite perspective. Exploring these patterns and the common denominators from the known aspects of human behavior and psychology can be helpful in opening up a whole new panorama of exploration into the alien abduction mystery.

There are some very broad assumptions/statements being made here. I am curious as to what "consistent patterns" OSR is talking about here. To what "carefully studied scrutiny" is she referring too? David Jacob's? Bud Hopkin's? Eddie Bullard's? John Mack's? Can anyone who suspects a connection to abductions and MC point to a single quantitative study (or any study/research paper for that matter) that backs up OSRs claims as to it's "universals"? Who's work is she citing here?

I also found this particular bit in the post by T4Y rather interesting:

Q: A lot of people say that these shadowy cults are controlled by a reptilian bloodline possibly demonic or extraterrestrial in origin. Have you come by any evidence in your research and studies to prove this or at least believe make you believe this?

A: I believe that the shadowy cults… the ancient brotherhood...of the black flame etc....are rooted in the darkest and deepest of demonic powers. This involves bloodlines that may go back to the Nephilim of Genesis ch.6.
I believe that the powers behind the agenda are EDB's (Extra Dimensional Beings)... all of them in all of their forms are demonic.

So the answer seems to be, in a roundabout way, "No, I haven't found any evidence", however, I will be more than happy to tell you what I "believe".

The patterns here are unmistakable. As with Chemtrail conspiracies, we have "shadowy government entities" perpetuating secret programs on the public apparently in league with "Reptilian" aliens (or co-opting the Reptoid mythology), for some as yet unknown purpose (world domination maybe?). There is a MO amongst all of these stories that lead back to a core group of indeed, "shadowy figures". If you really peel the onion here, you will eventually be led back to the works of V.V., Branton, William Cooper, Bill Moore, John Lear, The Dulce Mythology and the destruction of Paul Bennewitz. The whole Reptilian/Stargate conspiracy (as with the above 'belief')...without a doubt.

If anyone is willing to put forth whatever documentation pertaining to the connections between Alien Abductions and Mind Control Programs that can't be connected back to this 'shadowy group', I would love to see it. I do not discount MC, I only doubt it's somewhat dubious ET connections...if we cannot concretely connect the two, the speculation/fabrication IMO does -both- phenomena a disservice. It does however, make for interesting thread titles. Welcome to tinfoil hat country....

~CC

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^Cosmic Cowbell, that's a most interesting question. Offhand, I'd point you towards the life of Henry "Andrija" Puharich, who swam in both pools -- apparently on gov payroll.

I'm curious as to why you'd be averse to "shadowy groups" -- considering we're investigating the shadows, it just seems like an odd exception to make. I can understand your aversion to the Dulce/Cooper/Icke Axis of Disinfo, but some darkness comes with the territory. How about Stanford Research Institute? Are they too shadowy? Or the OTO? That's probably too out there, but they're still quite real and quite creepy human beings.

[Project Willow]

From my understanding, it is the "Inferior" children who are branded. Those of Illuminati bloodlines are kept free of any physical scars or defects.
I guess most "unaware" persons would not associate a butterfly tattoo with any type of covert op...IMHO.
Jewels

Jewels, you mentioned you had a website. I didn't see a link, would you like to share it?

I have to disagree with you here on this point. I don't buy into the whole Illuminati bloodlines story anyway, I thinks it's an oversimplified theory of elite cult activity, and the origin of the name, like Monarch, is also in question. Here we see cult use of mc conflated with a government program that might have been called Monarch. In my experience with gov. mc, SOP is leave no tracable evidence. I have no doubt that word about tattooed slaves would easily spread, if such a thing existed.

Now I can imagine a survivor of cult abuse responding in some unconscious way to a predominent theme of her group's belief system and getting herself a butterfly tattoo.

Can someone point me to a published claim of a survivor having a tattoo? What is the origin of this story?

As for the alien abduction theme... I still think Martin Cannon is pretty close.

Where's Hugh? This thread has deteriorated discussion of mc into the typical woowoo associations.