The Demon Was an Idea (Part Two and a half)

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:42 am

Maybe its not you, its your writing style. Not that I care anyway. Rusty's got a messiah complex, and he's still fun to hang around with. I have gone through phases where i have had one.

Its all good. Besides I believe in shadow time so wtf would I know about anything ;)

I sure would like to be able to plant some of my Triniti Wands near that Alice Springs base.


Yeah, well ... I know the traditional owner of that country, the one who gets the acorn or whatever the US pays Aussie for that lease. So if your are gonna do that talk to him or his mob first. In traditional lands, even ones where other modern nastiness is intruding its important to conult with the traditional owners, cos they might be doing their own stuff too, and its a form of neo colonialism to impose your own magic uninvited in those situations. I know he's not a big fan of Pine Gap.

I see him every now and then, he's a friends brother in law, so next time I see him I will bring it up if its appropriate, and ask him what he thinks about it. IF hes into it, I'll be happy to get you in contact. If not then its probably not gonna happen.

In that context i agree there are underground bases, and that often they are wells of, if nothing else severly bad karma, but I dunno about the rest.

Remote work is fine, but there's nothing like the satisfying tactile sensation of a well made weapon.......


Man if you said that and we were sitting around having a beer, I'd be rolling on the floor with beer dribbling out my nose about now.

On another level I can see how that militarist talk would set Hugh's alarm bells ringing. I also know a few people on that "warrior's path" (whatever that is :P ) that talk like that all the time and are not as full on as they sound.

As for the selling mud balls thing, I bet its a pain. That sort of thing is actually a poor way to scam a lot of money. I reckon if you really wanted some cash you'd try and get a book of your adventures published, not sell agni hotra balls.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:37 am

I'd like to go a bit further about the underground bases and my POV on what if anything could be going on.

First up actually first up is HMK's sssperrrlunking story (what a great word saying that is actually also a satisfying tactile sensation.)

Thats just a wild story, well not "just a story", but pretty damn wild.

Secondly, Hancocks Supernatural is as evocative an explanation of how wild being underground can be and its role as humans developed what it is to be human. The association with underground and the underworld, just like the sky stars and heaven, is as old as the hills.

I think one of the things that frustrates people who are into rationalism about the blog, and maybe some of the posts here, is the UFO stuff.

My conjecture remains that covert human agencies have discovered the power of the control system and both mimic it and attempt its exploitation through techno-occultic means, but that the system transcends human provenance and is resistant to regulation. So once again, we're not talking ETs here, but something both stranger and more familiar.


Thats Jeff's quote, but a lot of people might have written off as UFOs made of metal whats essentially a fundamental mystery. Something that defys easy explanation and catacogisation. That's why although i believe (kind of) what I said above about shadow or dream time, its actually a metaphor for something that is beyond my ability to completely sum up. It still retains its ability to surprise me.

Its this manipulation, in the context of chasing earthly power, is what is the otcome of this process, and causes a world of hurt.

There is a connection between the military and sacred spaces, and for years before I came across this idea in "conspiracy circles" i'd heard it as a general complaint from indigenous people, and heard of the complaint world wide. Mopre in a land rights and access context than any actual recognition of the power of those spaces and the military manipulating them. but that idea was also brought up directly on occasion by a few old fellas.

And not just the military, mining and telecomunications or tv towers, probably even ... cell phone towers.

i think there is a planetary grid or network of for want of a better word earth chi. Some people have other terms, ley lines, world grids, songlines.

And the attraction between the power elite in the west and these sites may be an unconscious attraction to the power in the land, or it may be a deliberate attempt to pervert and exploit it. It doesn't really matter the effects or consequences are the same.

On a personal level my whole life has been filled with underground experiences, while dreaming, that have a consistancy and a reality of their own, and alot of it gets mirrored in what you guys talk about, re underground bases full of hyperdimensional nastiness and a mil/occult connection.

But its also a concept that has been in popular culture as long as I have been alive.

I don't deny the reality of the dreamworld as its own seperate thing that we access, as well as all the regular dream stuff, mainstream rational view of it. I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

But spaces for accessing underground weirdness in dreamworld are not physically there much of the time. (Or maybe I just don't have the right key). tho they are in dreamspace...

Shit now that I think of it isn't area 51 called dreamland or something similar.

See what you call an underground base, may be just that, an underground base, but if its got something to do with a sacred site odds are its a place where the veil between the worlds is very thin. Like a Chakra for Gaia maybe.

Its a place where Wayrrull bleeds through, and in those places, what humans, or any conscious entity does determines the way that power takes shape in the world.

Its in that context that I think what you arew doing may be having an effect, and possibly why remotely doing it might work just as well, cos its mythological space you are working with, but also cos, well one of the things that people did in the old days in sacred space, was make art, cos that resonated through the worlds, reflected the creator, and by accessing sacred space and doing, telling, singing and dancing the creation stories the creator's work was being maintained.

And shadow or dreamtime is eternal, just over there behind your left shoulder, perhaps, it isn't a linear time thing. Every time you access the creation space and reenact the creation story the part of you that doesstep into dreamtime, it becomes the creator, or you give that part of you back for the initial beginning of the world. Its your contribution to the creator work.

It might be two years later hear but cross that particular threshold and you will be in the same place at the same ... for want of a better word time.

To me its irrelevant if a base is full of aliens, or "just" nuclear reactors with row after row of electronics dedicated to war.

this is not renacting a sreation story its a destruction story.

Anything that works against that is a good thing and don't really care if you or I am right about the details.

Anyway sorry for the long disjointed poat, its taken about an hour, and I've been running around doing other stuff out side at the same time.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:47 am

it goes without saying that if ritual abuse is being practised at these sites it doesn't matter whether the perps believe their rituals or are just scientists who dispassionately exploit human quirks and it works for them, and helps with achieving their (obviously unpleasant) goals.

The wayrrull, the chi, orgone earth or life power of vital force or whatever it is that flows through these sites is gonna come into our world in pretty nasty shape.

And its gonna flow back in nasty shape too.

Cos these sacred sites are not one way, we have a relationship of give and take with them. If, of course, they exist.
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Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:03 am

Hmw, your insinuations have become laughable! Ha! Do you even read and consider the posts that I have made? You and Ego have gotten just so inconsiderate, its a shame , because you both have so much to offer. I believe Ego is on the verge of a breakthrough in his thinking, we will see. Again this site is called Rigorous Intuition, so could you at least allow us to intuit, rigorously? yes dialog has continued here, but what do we achieve when we include your perspective? You dont need to save me from disinformation, honestly, I am capable of thinking for myself. As far as proselytizing , I am not trying to convert anyone, i am simply sharing my personal experience and a method that is new to me that i am trying, i do like to achieve a consensus, and I do like sharing , which brings us back to Mr. Arcadia, if Joe is right 100 percent than perhaps you should share?
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after a brief distraction from some sponsors

Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:51 am

Now back to our story. as I said i would , i went up to the towers tonight after work, in order to perform a spiritual discipline. Its been a rainy night, unusually warm lately, visibilility on the ground at least 10 miles as I could see the lights of a town i know across Seneca Lake. The dirt trail to the path is gated (always has been) and is now chained and padlocked(never was before). I performed my ceremony about 150 yards from the tower, as I will not trespass, I am a land owner myself. There is now a sign there that wasnt there a few weeks ago. The sign reads something like this-FAA control tower, no trespassing and no destruction of this property as someone could get killed. The reason that I say something like this is that within seconds of my little ritual a wall of fog as dense as I have ever seen came over that spot as thoroughly as i have ever seen before. I could not see my hand held out at arms length. I literally did not have time to write down what the sign said the fog came in so quickly. I had to drive home with the lowbeams on, on the edge of the road in order to see the line of grass against the road. visibility maybe 4 ft. By the time I got home about 10 minutes the fog had lifted. I will go back to morrow to take a picture of the sign- it seemed threatening and almost humorous at the same time. Like I said to the local sheriff in a different situation last month- you dont have to believe me, and you may think I am lying, but they are hunting from the road up there and someone needs to do something before someone gets hurt. Oh by the way there are no obvious power sources there, this tower is in the middle of the forest, and Its lights can be seen for at least 20 miles. See you tomorrow. This is real time and I am going to bed.
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Postby pitcairn » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:12 am

hey all

well, first, what Joe said

that all pretty much parallels my own experience, and embraces my perspective

Hugh, I took the time to respond, I felt thoughtfully and honestly, to you in another thread; I read the essay you referenced and linked to, responded to that, and you never replied

and now here you are picking up where you left off in that thread

it seems past arguing that it's a time honoured human endeavour to learn, heal, and amend fear, injury, and sorrow by telling our stories to each other; yes, any type of communication can be manipulated - even true stories can be used to further dishonest and/or undesirable ends. but surely that is why we are graced with discernment and - dare I say it? - intuition

I readily concede the prevalence of "damaged instinct" that can, and does, lead us astray; but as any parent knows, if you never let your kids try to sort the wheat from the chaff, if you always do it for them, they will never learn how to do it at all; ironically enough, the kids sometimes turn out to be right, and the parent quite wrong

never too late to learn, thankfully

so assuming your intentions are good, Hugh, that you want to warn us off something you see as dangerous, please give us the courtesy of letting us sort thro one another's stories, taking into account your views, but without all the anger and invective - we aren't naughty or foolish schoolchildren, after all, we're grown people who have had the experiences we've had, and that includes t4y

some of us want to share those experiences with one another, wholly without guile, for reasons far from nefarious and/or dangerous

agnihotra is easily researched, I did it as soon as I first saw it mentioned here; I personally saw a nice dovetail in its "purification by fire" and the native american understanding that the white race are guardians of fire, and so agnihotra stands a good chance of rectifying the damage caused by misuse of fire - fight fire with fire, not so much, but rather an elemental homeopathy

upstate new york is an area well known to me, and has a very long history of strange events; you can hardly step without stepping on a ghost, as the saying goes

perhaps the "veil" remains thin where people are not so determined not to see: most everyone in iceland, for example, including professionals in the sciences, believe in and observe the "unseen" world, talk it about openly and often, and theorise that the common "extra" perception derives from iceland's refusal to entirely give up asatru, the folk religion that predates christianity

as for GW and disinformation, well there's plenty to go round, and from many directions and to many purposes, isn't there?

let's say for the moment that GW is not, in fact, caused or even much aggravated by noxious industrial/internal combustion emissions: well, it's a very good idea to take very best care possible of this world we live in, since it is our home;so do we need a dire threat to convince us to take that care? if so, maybe the game is up in any case

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:23 am

let's say for the moment that GW is not, in fact, caused or even much aggravated by noxious industrial/internal combustion emissions: well, it's a very good idea to take very best care possible of this world we live in, since it is our home;so do we need a dire threat to convince us to take that care? if so, maybe the game is up in any case


That an effing good point pitcairn.

In that sense it probably is, it was only when some pommy economist started talking about the actual cost to profits late last year that people really started to take notice and suddenly global warming was even being paid lip service by our prime minister.

The rate of species extinction and land degradation in this nation is appalling and our leadership won't be going with 10 parsecs of that issue anytime before ... well its too late for everything that seems to be gone anyway.

Even the Christian Bible says God gave us stewardship of the earth.

That means looking after the joint.

Ahhh this topic pisses me off. Has for years.

but pitcairn I have a very hopeful story for you about extinctions and a possible way to bring species back from beyond the brink.

Im not in the mood to tell it right now, and I wouldn't mind chasing some links if they are findable. But if I haven't told you the story of the Western quoll in the next day or two remind me.

Sometimes the posts are just too quick here, and I am on holiday - what will happen when I go back to work.
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Postby pitcairn » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:46 am

"Sometimes the posts are just too quick here, and I am on holiday - what will happen when I go back to work."

lol, I so hear that

I can barely keep up reading, nevermind putting my 2 pesos in

but will keep the western quoll in mind

looking up that peter carroll is next ... and I'll recommend Wendell Berry in return, if you aren't already a fan
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Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:04 pm

The sign says: WARNING This facility is used in FAA Air Traffic Control. Loss of human life may result from service interuption. Any person who interferes with air traffic control or damages or trespasses on this property will be prosecuted under federal law. fair enough, the funny thing is that while the path to the tower is gated, locked with a warning, there is a trail 50 Yards down the road that allows free access to the tower without any fencing or warnings. Lots of positive directions coming through this thread, I for one appreciate it, thanks. Also there is a low voltage line to the tower that I had not noticed before, sorry if I misinformed anyone. Though I will tell you that when our power has been out , the tower stays lit, I am aware of the things called generators. i will investigate more fully as time allows, right now my wife wants to go shopping! have a nice day!
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:20 pm

I think instead of a troop surge in Iraq we should deploy these sacred dung balls instead. I mean if they're that potent, why tarry there? Why didn't the Allies employ them instead of carpet bombing Europe? Surely, if they neutralized the Bohemnian Grovers as advertised, they'd have neutered Hitler..
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Postby marykmusic » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:48 pm

Joe Hillshoist said:
its important to consult with the traditional owners, cos they might be doing their own stuff too, and its a form of neo colonialism to impose your own magic uninvited in those situations.


Remind me, please, why it is that the English are called "poms." It's been defined for me before, but I forgot. I choose to use "sassenach" from my current immersion in all things Celtic and more recent Irish history.

After all, I am studying the Celtic, Druidic Bardic tradition. Working on my Master's in Humanities, collecting up all my training as a bard and trying to quantify it into a thesis with historical background. Any suggestions as to books, people to study, are welcome.

Back to my reaction to the quote above... I've been studying Shamanism in many cultures since my teen years, as long as I've been playing guitar. This has been a far-reaching field; it included getting peyote from a Navajo code-talker, considered a medicine man by his people (25 years ago); hanging with, jamming with and sometimes filling in for the bass player of the band Apache Spirit (the guitarist is a medicine man in his own right) from the White Mountain rez; living in a Cherokee community in Oklahoma where I learned lots of stories and turned many of them into songs. I was only included in these and many other situations because I knew I was the visitor and tried to be respectful of territory.

Territory is a powerful human idea. It isn't necessarily about ownership, as that is a more abstract concept and easily twisted; I consider it more like accepting responsibility for the health and proper use of an area. This is extended to making sure that the territory is just as useful to one's descendants as it is to the person living there at the moment. Look at healthy farmland that has been passed down through many generations! It looks different from a corporate production area, totally dependent on chemicals, deep wells, and seeds from somewhere else.

When we moved to the desert outside Casa Grande (which is halfway between Phoenix and Tucson), it was land that had been a cotton farm which no longer produced. Rock-hard clay, extremely dusty conditions (if it were a church we'd have called it Our Lady of Perpetual Vacuuming), couldn't grow an organic garden no matter how hard we tried. Even mesquite couldn't get a hold in that area. Maybe if we'd kept trying, in a few years it would have been healed enough to grow something. When it rained, in a couple of days a green mold would start growing. And the spadefoot toads would pop up out of the ground and breed as quickly as possible. But there were no worms, nothing like one would need to have decent farmland.

Cotton uses half of all the agricultural chemicals produced for use in this country, plus a huge amount of water. A half-mile south, on the Tohono O'odham (Papago) rez, they had burnt-out cotton fields as well. But they had leased them to white farmers in the area... if anyone's familiar with I-10 south of Phoenix, those cotton and alfalfa fields are on the Pima rez, but are also leased to white farmers. And the Navajo don't practice animal husbandry; they simply turn horses and cattle out to fend for themselves, breeding until the land won't feed them. I watched horses die of locoweed (the only green thing around) when I lived by that rez. So it's plain to me that not all Native Americans pay attention to the long-term stewardship of their land.

But there are more and more folks of all backgrounds who are paying more attention to living lightly on the land. Even the Boy Scouts have adopted the "Leave No Trace" policy when camping, and they are improving.

Interesting that "the white man is in charge of fire." The people who brought the Agnihotra ceremony with them into India, along with the Sanskrit language (the oldest written language still in use, I believe) were white folks from somewhere else. Nobody knows where.

And since it was my Granddad Croft's Masonic lodge brother, Harry Truman, who brought the destructive fire into being, I feel it's a good thing for me to do, bring the constructive fire back into more widespread use, as a healing ceremony for individuals, neighborhoods, and our collective organism, Gaia. --MaryK
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This Is For Joe.......

Postby dragon » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:17 pm

I dig what you say about getting permission from the landowner. If it comes up on conversation, he can contact me directly.

captaindragonfarstar@yahoo.com

Meanwhile, there's a story from the ViewZone Magazine archives that you might enjoy. Great adventure story. It has romance, HAARP, Australia, government killers, ancient symbols on rocks.

http://www.viewzone.com/vz.message.html

Anyone who reads this, please take note of the presence and level of involvement of a manufactured celebrity known as J.J.Hurtak. Never did like that dude, and after I read this story and learned just how much of his power comes from the government side, I understood why.

Feels like Spring outside, so I'm gonna go take care of some projects. Y'all keep on discussing things among yourselves, if you like. I've given you a lot to digest.

Arizona really is green from top to bottom. Don't let someone hundreds of miles away tell you different. The official story at the end of August this year said that the lakes and reservoirs normally lose about 5% of their water during the summer. At the end of this past August, the lakes and reservoirs had 4% more than they had at the beginning of the summer.

Green. Yeah. Green, but like Vermont, or Ohio, or other non-desert states. This is still a desert. But it isn't a barren wasteland. There is vegetation and wildlife. And the vegetation that does grow here prospered last year like no year I have seen since I move here in '89.

And in the areas where the grass does grow wild, and there's open range grazing, when we toured the area in August we saw lush grasslands and good looking cattle.

I haven't been back to the only nuclear power plant in Arizona since the day I dropped mud balls nearby. What I saw then was blighted vegetation, what little there was in that area was stunted. Some areas were just plain barren. Looked a lot like that area on top of the underground base in Yuma.

Joe, ask your friend what it looks like around that underground base. The DOR kills vegetation.

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Postby marykmusic » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:20 pm

Oops, Dragon meant "not like Vermont." And he's already outside, under the brilliant blue chemtrail-free sky. My boy and I are fixin' to go riding, too. --MaryK
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Re: Burnt Hill's interest in ATC towers= FUCKED UP.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:12 pm

Burnt Hill wrote:The sign says: WARNING This facility is used in FAA Air Traffic Control. Loss of human life may result from service interuption. Any person who interferes with air traffic control or damages or trespasses on this property will be prosecuted under federal law. fair enough, the funny thing is that while the path to the tower is gated, locked with a warning, there is a trail 50 Yards down the road that allows free access to the tower without any fencing or warnings.
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i will investigate more fully as time allows, right now my wife wants to go shopping! have a nice day!


Go to hell, 'Burnt Hill.' Stay the fuck away from ATC towers and quit encouraging that crap.You are a threat to this forum!

Is that clear enough to all you readers? Get the game now?
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Postby pitcairn » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:52 pm

honestly Hugh, no I don't "get it" now

what are you on about with this sort of .. as my gran might have called it, "carrying on" ???

anyone can properly go and read a publicly posted sign (that may even be why they are posted, so folks will read them), anyone can properly investigate their neighbourhood and surroundings; and back in the day, before we all fell under the spell of the dark magician-in-chief, anyone with gumption and a devil-may-care attitude (or a few beers in) could even - gasp - climb a (town property!!! no trespassing!!!) water tower and paint some silly ass word or phrase or hang up the knickers of some luckless (or lucky, depending on your outlook, lol) lass

and if caught, get a "talking to"

let's get some things in perspective

so far Burnt Hill has not done anything at all wrong, or even illegal

nor advocated any such things

as I said before, I know the area in question well altho I've not been back in many years, and as any oldtimer in upsate will tell you, it has always been a place of great mystery and unusual goings on

you seem to want to ride facing both ways: are the mud balls sheer crap (wink), in which case what the hell difference would it make if Burnt Hill tossed a million of them at every Tom Dick and Harry of a public structure (other than the modest cleanup required); OR are the mudballs a powerful part of some devious disinformation-cum-incitement-to-sedition plot, presented (planted) here by someone passing themselves off as a spooked but innocent, ordinary parent of four, but who is is in fact (cue the rising ominous music) an agent of some perverse counter intelligence scheme?

I guess you might claim both: harm in nonsense, wasn't that your notion?

well voluntary nonsense is unlikely to produce much harm, if any, as far as I can see

I appreciate that you are no doubt sincere in your desire to save us from ourselves, but frankly, I think you've got your big guns trained on lightning bugs this time
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