Timothy Leary and Parapolitics

[Truth4Youth]

I've always loved ol' Tim. There have always been whispers of "spook" in the wind when it comes to him, but I don't buy it. His story of course has some interesting moments. One of those was his getting a jail cell adjacent to Charles Manson, who may have been a mind-controlled patsy used to destroy the creidibility of the peace movement. Also it's no secret he dabbled in the occult. He was a member of the the "Illuminates of Thanateros". He's an interesting figure for sure, with much I believe still shrouded about him. Any opinions?

[Telexx]

For pure sci-fi speculation I like his idea of SMI2LE,

Thanks,

Telexx

[Wombaticus Rex]

Illuminates of Thanateros is Peter J. Carroll's outfit. Carroll is a good deal more lucid, interesting and human than most of the vampires who populate the occult world. Burroughs was also a member, they're a pretty distinguished posse, although who knows what's they've devolved into since the founders abandoned it.

I agree, the "spook" whispers are very weak attempts at shitting on the man's legacy.

[thurnundtaxis]

Tinker, Tailor, Stoner, Spy
by Mark Riebling

originally from a 1994 issue of the Beastie Boy's Grand Royale magazine, courtesy of google cache

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:JD ... =firefox-a

[Joe Hillshoist]

Leary followed Wasson to Mexico, spooks had already followed Wasson to mexico.

Huxley, who is at Harvard on a visiting professorship, urges Leary to form a secret order of LSD-Illuminati, to launch and lead a psychedelic conspiracy to brainwash influential people for the purposes human betterment

this was the motivation of leary, and the likes of Owsley, who now lives in the hills around Atherton in FNQ.

Why is it such a bad idea.

I think people that think this is MK Ultra inspired are way off the mark.

These things had the opposite effect what happened in the 60s?

Did the MK Ultra program and Leary et al turn the US into Nazi germany then?

Far from it.

One of the startling aspects of psychedelics is that uncontrollable things happen.

I don't think the MK Ultra people had fully realised the implications of this.

One thing that I find interesting about the erratic behaviour of Leary and how it interpreted as supporting his spook alter ego theory is this.

People forget he was tripping off his head an awful lot during that period. he was consuming acid at least weekly. Smoking mull every day.

I wonder if that had any effect on him?

[MASONIC PLOT]

He is a very interesting fellow who I have spent a lot of time on. Was he a spook? I doubt it. Was he used by the spooks. Absolutely. The entire counter culture revolution was very likely a social engineering project, the result of Project Paperclip.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Al Hubbard, who WAS a spook, wanted to shoot Leary for giving LSD to the unwashed masses.

http://www.brainsturbator.com/index.php ... the_water/

http://www.fargonebooks.com/high.html

[chiggerbit]

Not sure if counterpuch is one of those fake left sites or not, but for what it's worth, here's their piece on Leary (I've heard from sources who say they know--Leary was a ratter who got his sentenced reduced by ratting):

http://www.counterpunch.org/ciashrinks.html

[chiggerbit]

Who spread the thread?

[Joe Hillshoist]

The CIA helped spring Leary from his prison in Algeria, where he'd been consigned by Eldridge Cleaver, who had instantly seen Leary for what he was.. At the time he put him in jail, the exiled information minister of the Black Panthers said, "There's something wrong with Leary's brain. We want people to gather their wits, sober up and get down to the serious business of destroying the Babylonian empire. To all those of you who look to Dr. Leary for inspiration and leadership, we want to say to you that your God is dead, because his mind has been blown by acid." Leary's wife Rosemary didn't want to deal with the CIA agent who sprang them from prison in Algeria. For once Leary was on the mark. "He's liberal CIA," Leary told Rosemary. "And that's the best mafia you can deal with in the 20th century."

Cockburn from counterpunch was on safran on sunday on jjj a few months back debunking 911 as a conspiracy. his argument was crap, and it put me off him, but he did focus almost exclusively on the CD no plane version of 911 truth. None of the juivy stuff.

Cockburn "sybel who?" (I made that up but its the general theme.)

Some people might think thats my view with that buying the official story thread. but its not.

Hearing him is probably part of what motivated me re that thread tho.

I actually sent as much info as I could and a link to the blog and coincidence theorists ... post (safran) and my questions. No response and nothing to address those issues on the interview either.

The entire counter culture revolution was very likely a social engineering project, the result of Project Paperclip.

It probably didn't work as well as they had hoped then.

BTW Chig, if Leary was a dog and thats how he reduced his sentance, that still is no proof he was a spook. If he was a spook he would have been informing on people wherever appropriate anyway. (IMO its never appropriate.)

[chiggerbit]

BTW Chig, if Leary was a dog and thats how he reduced his sentance, that still is no proof he was a spook. If he was a spook he would have been informing on people wherever appropriate anyway.

You're right, Joe--it just makes him a wimpy, self-interested jerk, not worth hero worshipping, and there are millions of those types around, even today.

[jingofever]

from An Open Letter from the Friends of Timothy Leary

"""
* The Weather Underground, the radical left organization responsible for his escape, was not impacted by his testimony. Histories written about the Weather Underground usually mention the Leary chapter in terms of the escape for which they proudly took credit. Leary sent information to the Weather Underground through a sympathetic prisoner that he was considering making a deal with the FBI and waited for their approval. The return message was "we understand."

* While in exile, Leary was illegally kidnapped by US agents in Afghanistan (which had no extradition treaty with the U.S.) and brought back to America. On returning to prison, he was thrown into "the hole" in Folsom Prison. His bail was five million dollars, the largest in U.S. history. President Richard Nixon had earlier labeled him "the most dangerous man in America."

* When Leary first agreed to talk to the FBI about those involved in his escape, the agents were so dissatisfied with his testimony that they put him out on the "main line" at a Minnesota prison under the name "Charles Thrush," a songbird. This was a blatant attempt to label him a snitch and get him murdered by prisoners, or at least to scare him into giving the FBI the kind of answers they wanted.

* After his testimony, Leary remained in prison for close to two years.
"""

[Joe Hillshoist]

Yeah a dog is a dog, and I have heard those rumours for a long time.

I dunno tho. I could tell a story about Nick Cave thats pretty fucked up. I might if anyone wants to know...

But I still love his music.

I like a few of Leary's ideas, and I think on balance the world is better off cos of him. I still read thru exo politics every now and then.

Whether he was a spook, a useful idiot or on his own mission I don't think the widespread popularisation of psychedelics has helped tptb in any way shape or form.

I much prefer the merry pranksters pov from what I have read anyway.

[Uncle $cam]

Thought somebutnotal would find this of interest...

NoveltyNet presents what is probably it's most unique exhibit: a fascinating, eccentric, and long out of print book written by Joanna and Timothy Leary during the early 1970s.

NeuroLogic by Joanna and Timothy Leary


http://www.noveltynet.org/content/books ... index.html

The book is more like a pamphlet, obviously printed by a low-budget operation and bearing a stamp on the inner cover from some early 1970s head shop bookstore in San Francisco. It's a combination of psychological speculation, visionary ideas about the future, and wildly eccentric psychedelic gems like "is the nervous system a junky sultan sitting in a warm bath dealing drugs back and forth for kicks?" It contains what is probably one of the earliest versions of Leary's eight circuit model of consciousness. It is quite rare and is not even listed in some lists of Dr. Leary's books.

This work provides a unique insight into the strange soup of ideas that were swirling around at the time. It is preserved here as a specimen of extreme cultural interest. In some ways it's crazy, but in other ways it's inspiring and beautiful.

If anyone has any additional background information, stories, or other tidbits related to this book please e-mail webmaster@noveltynet.org and we can add them here. Also if for any reason any current copyright holders of this work would like this page removed, e-mail us and we will comply. It's been out of print for so long we figured that nobody would mind it being shown here, but let us know if we're wrong.

Read the book online!

Download the online e-book in a ZIP file
Download NeuroLogic full-resolution original scans (Warning: 88mb download)

better get while it's hot...
Uncle $cam

p.s. love the dirty three, and would to hear the Nick Cave story...

[Horatio Hellpop]

Yeah Joe I want to hear the Nick Cave story