Obama To Establish A Civilian National Security Force

[StarmanSkye]

"Obama is a puppet just as McCain is a puppet... as were Clinton, GW Bush and Reagan and assorted previous ilk."

Right the Hell ON, Medicis. Considering the one-sided balance of power in the US, where the PTB with their corporate overlords and criminal cronies and political hacks (or is that corporate cronies, criminal hacks and political overlords?) have thoroughly gamed the system with a corrupt feudal plutocracy based on crime, war, terror, theft and authoritarian privelege, it's basically impossible for any truly opposition candidate speaking truth to power and challenging the status quo of American exceptionalism and NWO-style Imperialism to EVER become a frontrunning viable candidate.

Of COURSE Obama has been vetted and approved by the movers and shakers behind the Shadow Government, or at least by a whole lot of them. I haven't seen a single indication Obama won't toe the line and faithfully do the bidding of his well-entrenched secret (mostly) masters and anonymous (again, mostly) clients. It might be that he has come-around to seeing any serious, meaningful change as extremely dangerous and destabilizing, that's it better to continue policies in-place and long planned-for rather than risk near-total civil collapse, OR that he was never really a progressive and reformer in the first place -- just another party hack who aspired to status and class and a position of great power because that's what made him tick -- personal satisfaction and ego gratification. 'The Boy done GOOD!' Huzzah-Huzzah.

And Damn, Vigilant, but you sure say it like it is man. I share most all your outraged skepticism at the fraud-charade which is Obama's campaign of Hope. What a sneaky corporate-bankrolled PR blitzkreig passing itself off as a populist champion for Life, Liberty, Justice and the American Way.

He'll fit right in with the long legacy of charletons and chameolian whores, Johnson, Tricky Dick, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Slick Willie, and Dubya
--all pawns for the Puppet-Master behind the velvet curtains.

Hey, I'd LOVE to be proved wrong. But I'm not betting onnit.

The recieved official wisdom from the overvalued Washington pundits and Mass Media superstars is that the US is waging a righteous, long war against the evils of Islamofascism, because the US is good and noble, right and valiant, brave and true -- without a shred of courage or initiative among 'em to acknowledge the US has engaged in the most comprehensive offensive against the Third World involving terrorism, deceit, betrayal, subterfuge, blackmail, murder, extortion, economic sabotage, genocide, low intensity conflicts, death squads, false flag attacks, intimidation, coups, wars, civil conflicts, embargos, propaganda, mass media lies, abuse of power, constitutional excesses, war crimes, atrocities, routine torture, kidnappings, false accusations, and on and on and on. Think Obama is going to buck the system, spill the beans, and actually, singlehandedly reform the pervasively sick, corrupt ideology that America's sense of imperial entitlement is based on, or --
would even be allowed to???

Never Happen.
America just ain't ready for it yet. First, some wickedly infected, screaming and bleeding carrion-chickens will have to come home to roost.

Then people might begin to wake up and realize who and where the REAL enemy is and what they've been up to, destroying America from within. (Tho they'll insist, it was all for the best of right reasons.)

[8bitagent]

I agree Starmanskye...

and remember:

The PTB have plans to go full on "green" soon...total cooption of the enviromental movement.

Which is good in a way...they realize people laugh at the oil industry, and many other things. But they also know how to use "green" to further implement control. Don't be shocked also if "shock bracelets" do really happen for airline passengers, and RFID chips. It'll be all there for the nanny big brother state to "keep us safe".

And no...I don't buy into a lot of Alex Jones fear mongering, but I also see
where he may not be far off on some issues.

[ninakat]

The recieved official wisdom from the overvalued Washington pundits and Mass Media superstars is that the US is waging a righteous, long war against the evils of Islamofascism, because the US is good and noble, right and valiant, brave and true -- without a shred of courage or initiative among 'em to acknowledge the US has engaged in the most comprehensive offensive against the Third World involving terrorism, deceit, betrayal, subterfuge, blackmail, murder, extortion, economic sabotage, genocide, low intensity conflicts, death squads, false flag attacks, intimidation, coups, wars, civil conflicts, embargos, propaganda, mass media lies, abuse of power, constitutional excesses, war crimes, atrocities, routine torture, kidnappings, false accusations, and on and on and on. Think Obama is going to buck the system, spill the beans, and actually, singlehandedly reform the pervasively sick, corrupt ideology that America's sense of imperial entitlement is based on, or --
would even be allowed to???

Apparently, lots of Obamatons do believe he can and will do this. It's gonna be Rude Awakening Time in '09. Again.

And, given the above laundry list of U.S. atrocities (great reminder, Starman), along with Obama's willingness to play along with all the great myths of our time, I don't see why it's paranoid at all to be vigilant and skeptical about each and every program or initiative Obama proposes, including this seemingly benign one of "volunteerism." And even if it turns out this program is completely above board and not a deception, I'll never stop distrusting him (or the rest of the puppets). If enough Americans had been cynical enough all along, we might not have been lured into this huge mess we're living in now.

[ninakat]

And no...I don't buy into a lot of Alex Jones fear mongering, but I also see where he may not be far off on some issues.

Same here, 8bit.

If it's wrong when the government tries to keep Americans in fear, why is okay when Alex Jones and friends try to do the same thing?

I'm not going to defend Alex Jones and friends, but your question assumes there's a level playing field between the U.S. government and Alex Jones and friends. Apples and oranges. And the bad apples of the government are running the show, including the laundry list of atrocities listed above by Starman. I don't like Alex Jones' fear mongering either, but that doesn't mean that 100% of what he asserts is baseless. My cynical and well-informed side is telling me that any initiative Obama suggests or introduces is not to be trusted at face value. The bottom line on this particular initiative is that nobody really knows. Period.

[justdrew]

I agree he's been vetted and may just be a rerun of clinton's sell-outs or worse. but... I don't see any reason not to wait and see just how he handles it, I'll hold fire for now and can't believe he wouldn't be at least a little better than the utter disaster that the admirals-son would be.

[Jeff]

If it's wrong when the government tries to keep Americans in fear, why is okay when Alex Jones and friends try to do the same thing?

I'm not going to defend Alex Jones and friends, but your question assumes there's a level playing field between the U.S. government and Alex Jones and friends.

I wouldn't want to suggest that. All I mean is that I resent my emotions being anyone's playing field.

For myself, in the marketplace of anxieties, this one doesn't grab me.

[vigilant]

If it's wrong when the government tries to keep Americans in fear, why is okay when Alex Jones and friends try to do the same thing?

I'm not going to defend Alex Jones and friends, but your question assumes there's a level playing field between the U.S. government and Alex Jones and friends.

I wouldn't want to suggest that. All I mean is that I resent my emotions being anyone's playing field.

For myself, in the marketplace of anxieties, this one doesn't grab me.

Even through my scathing condemnation of Obama and my skepticism of what Obama is actually trying to accomplish with this Civil Security Force I agree with Jeff. This one particular issue doesn't cause a lot of paranoia for me. It would if I saw evidence that armed civilian forces would be on the street but I have seen no evidence of it yet. But I don't trust him any further than I can throw him.

I posted the article because he mixed "military" and "well funded civilian security force" together. I was curious to see what other people thought his true intentions might be.

and....obviously I could help myself...

When someone said "he isn't like the Republicans". I just had to point out the fact that lately he has been capitulating at seemingly every turn, and that his stances on recent issues are right in tune with the neocons.

[Jeff]

When someone said "he isn't like the Republicans". I just had to point out the fact that lately he has been capitulating at seemingly every turn, and that his stances on recent issues are right in tune with the neocons.

And I'll agree with you there.

[pepsified thinker]

... reluctantly, I will too.

I have a hard time finding any way to see his stand re retro-immunity, etc. as 'just' positioning towards the center.

He's impressed me by being truth-to-power-like at times, so why not on when it comes to challenging the erosion of basic liberties?

... but I haven't given up on him yet.

Then again, it may not matter. I knew the last few elections had been stolen--but these two stories were like a gut punch, nonetheless.

NY: 50 Percent of Sequoia Voting Machines Flawed
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/0 ... ent-o.html

GOP cyber-security expert suggests Diebold tampered with 2002 election
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Cybersec ... _0717.html

(Then again, what's up with the Dems getting control in the House and Senate in '06?)

[medicis]

He's impressed me by being truth-to-power-like at times, so why not on when it comes to challenging the erosion of basic liberties?

His technique appears to be similar to that of left gatekeepers... There are topics which are acceptable (to the PTB) and those that are not. Obama's ("truth-to-power-like") range of topics demonstrate, I think, the strings leading up to the puppeteer's hands....

[8bitagent]

He's impressed me by being truth-to-power-like at times, so why not on when it comes to challenging the erosion of basic liberties?

His technique appears to be similar to that of left gatekeepers... There are topics which are acceptable (to the PTB) and those that are not. Obama's ("truth-to-power-like") range of topics demonstrate, I think, the strings leading up to the puppeteer's hands....

Yep.

Acceptable:

Bush and the neocons are evil, incompetent, liars.
They lied to go to war in Iraq
are in bed with war profiteers
they torture
they stole the election
they are shredding the constitution

Unacceptable:

Questioning 9/11
real funding and purpose of al Qaeda
true source of anthrax
Democrats and Republicans are both puppets
talking about destabilization, global agendas, nwo
talking about false flag events, assassinations, "sucided/accidented" folks

[8bitagent]

Btw, its possible that Obama very much in his mind has VERY altruistic intentions with this and everything else...but like everything else...it can be easily coopted for BAD.

[annie aronburg]

Acceptable:

Bush and the neocons are evil, incompetent, liars.
They lied to go to war in Iraq
are in bed with war profiteers
they torture
they stole the election
they are shredding the constitution

Unacceptable:

Questioning 9/11
real funding and purpose of al Qaeda
true source of anthrax
Democrats and Republicans are both puppets
talking about destabilization, global agendas, nwo
talking about false flag events, assassinations, "sucided/accidented" folks

If it were possible to get the majority of North Americans on Page Acceptable, I'd consider it a victory.

[pepsified thinker]

Wonder what George Carlin could do with the unacceptable list, in terms of '7[er, make that 6] things you can't talk about on TV',

[professorpan]

I'm regularly amazed by the shallow understanding of the U.S. political process shown by many RI posters.

Obama is a politician involved in *the* highest stakes game played on this planet. Which means he and his advisors are constantly calculating their next moves, weighing them against common wisdom, poll data, the predicted moves of their opposition, rallying cries and protestations from the grassroots, etc. etc. etc. THAT IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED. Stick to your principles -- until you must deviate in order to win. Keep your promises -- unless breaking a promise is the only way to win. Honor your party's base -- until polling suggests that it might lead to defeat.

Obama's FISA vote made me almost physically ill, as did his mangled logic in defense of it. However, I do understand WHY he would do it. I don't agree with the decision, but I'm certain his advisors convinced him that he'd be the subject of unrelenting attacks as "supporting the terrorists!"

For those who do participate in elections (and I think it is wise and important to do so), the choice facing us is between a guy who CLEARLY embraces the policies of torture, warmaking, and despoiling of the planet's natural resources, and a guy who, while not the ideal candidate, has rejected torture, supports withdrawal from Iraq (and voted against the invasion), and will most definitely be more pro-environment than McInsane.

I can accept that some of you simply don't play the political game, or that you can't stomach some of what Obama has said or done. Fine.

But I sincerely hope that some of you realize that the stakes are extremely high in this election. Given that Obama represents a *chance* of turning the corporatist/fascist tide around, even slightly, even minutely, that seems to me to make voting for the guy of vital importance.

Or you can do nothing -- possibly allowing McInsane to win and drive the U.S. and the world closer to the brink of something beyond my ability to conceive in its horror. Or keep trying to convince others to avoid voting, or to believe the worst rumors about Obama's intent, and also bring the planet closer to ruin. I think that is a lousy, ethically repugnant choice.

My most pressing concern is the health of the Earth. If anyone can convincingly argue that Obama will be as bad, or worse, than John McInsane in environmental policy, please do so.

If anyone can convincingly argue that Obama's economic policies will be as brutal to the poor and the sick as McInsane's, while granting more favor to the wealthy, please do so.

If anyone can convincingly argue that Obama's policies will harm gays, immigrants, blacks, Latinos, Union members, forest animals, coral reefs, teachers, college students, single mothers, people on welfare, old folks on social security, solar panel manufacturers, whales, coastal beaches, farmers, women seeking abortions, and homeless people MORE than McInsane's will harm them, PLEASE EXPLAIN.

Or admit that there is a TREMENDOUS and MEANINGFUL difference between the two men, their words, their philosophies, and their proposed policies, regardless of how similar SOME of the policy proposals are, or how repugnant some of Obama's votes or statements have been.

And if you can't see any difference, you need to open your eyes and get your fingers out of your ears.

As I've stated repeatedly in threads like these, politics is an ugly, dirty, nasty business. But one can participate in the game as a DEFENSIVE player. For that reason, I've always supported the candidate that came closest to my beliefs, even when I knew that candidate did not even come close to representing my ideals. Yeah, it's the lesser of two evils approach, but, for fuck's sake, that can mean a magnitude of less evil inflicted upon this planet and its inhabitants.

If nothing else, realize that it aids the fascist agenda to deflate and neutralize its opponents. You're doing the work of Bush/McCain by spouting nonsense like "Obama is no better than McCain." Yes, he most certainly is much better, demonstrably, in word and deed.

I find it hard to believe -- sickening, in fact -- that so many people here seem hell-bent on aiding and abetting John McInsane's reign of terror. Because when you opt out, when you give up, that's EXACTLY what you're doing.