I've just lately been running into people accusing me of being a "jew hater" because I criticize the government of Israel.
I tell them you might as well call me an "African American hater" because I criticize Obama.
I'm really pretty tired of it. So many of those "love it or leave it" Israeli supporters have what seems to be a form of mental illness, where they're in a delusional denial about the crimes of the IDF. The IDF could literally LITERALLY be nailing kittens to church doors and they would support it 100% and accuse those who criticize it of racism.
It gets old.
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Nordic said:
They believe they're entitled to do whatever they want, because they're special. Whoever rejects that is a "racist" in their sick view, and must be punished. Unfortunately, they have the resources to enforce that.
Oh, they do a LOT worse than that, every single day. You name it, no matter how depraved, sadistic, outrageous, evil -- they do it, over and over, because they can.The IDF could literally LITERALLY be nailing kittens to church doors and they would support it 100% and accuse those who criticize it of racism.
They believe they're entitled to do whatever they want, because they're special. Whoever rejects that is a "racist" in their sick view, and must be punished. Unfortunately, they have the resources to enforce that.
It got old a long time ago. More than that, it's crazy. And so are we, for letting them get away with it.It gets old.
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Hmm. Does your criticism of Obama include his being a nigger? Because this thread exists because you breathlessly linked to unabashed Jew hatred.Nordic wrote:I've just lately been running into people accusing me of being a "jew hater" because I criticize the government of Israel.
I tell them you might as well call me an "African American hater" because I criticize Obama.
You know what's older? Killing Christ and the Khazars.It gets old.
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Jeff said:
As long as foreign colonists are recruited by a racist state to settle a land and brutally "cleanse" that land of its native people, and that this is justified by bullshit racist crap about their "return" after "2000 years of exile", I think it's very important to point out that in addition to the phony morality and phony legality, the criminal zionist project is also based on phony history.
Not that their thieving and killing and genocide would be any more justifiable if they really were genetic descendants of the ancient Israelites (which they are not); but it is one among so many examples of how they lie, and lie and lie. And lie.
What wrong with talking about the Khazars?...the Khazars.
As long as foreign colonists are recruited by a racist state to settle a land and brutally "cleanse" that land of its native people, and that this is justified by bullshit racist crap about their "return" after "2000 years of exile", I think it's very important to point out that in addition to the phony morality and phony legality, the criminal zionist project is also based on phony history.
Not that their thieving and killing and genocide would be any more justifiable if they really were genetic descendants of the ancient Israelites (which they are not); but it is one among so many examples of how they lie, and lie and lie. And lie.
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I know just how you feel Alice.....AlicetheKurious wrote:Oh, they do a LOT worse than that, every single day. You name it, no matter how depraved, sadistic, outrageous, evil -- they do it, over and over, because they can.
They believe they're entitled to do whatever they want, because they're special. Whoever rejects that is a "racist" in their sick view, and must be punished. Unfortunately, they have the resources to enforce that.
"There are no whole truths: all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil." ~ A.N. Whitehead
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And another thing: those who call Jewish people "Christ-killers" are engaging in the exact same logic as zionists, no more and no less bogus.
The claim that the biblical Jews and all their descendants are guilty of killing Christ presumes that the Jews of today are the racial descendants of those who swore, "Let his blood be upon us and upon our children's children," as described in the New Testament. Unlike today, we must recall that oaths were taken very seriously in ancient times and were considered legally binding on descendants. After all, that is the basis for the two-way "covenant" that God, according to the scriptures, made with Abraham and his descendants.
The zionist claim to Palestinian property is similarly based on the premise that today's Jews are the racial descendants of those who were granted the property by Yahweh thousands of years ago, according to their interpretation of the Old Testament.
In order to be consistent, one must either reject biblical scripture and ancient genealogical myths as a basis for both property entitlements and criminal culpability, or one must accept its legitimacy as the basis for both. For one thing, to selectively recognize the eternal, legally-binding property rights of the Jews in "the Promised Land" above all others' as "good" but reject the charge of "Christ-killer" as 'evil' is to imply that the Old Testament is legally more binding the New Testament and that it more accurately reflects the will of God. In that case, we might as well trash the past 2000 years and declare ourselves not only a theocracy, but a Jewish theocracy, where the legal authority of Old Testament scripture supersedes that of the New Testament and also secular laws.
You might say: but accusing Jewish people of being Christ-killers has led to terrible injustices and horrible atrocities against innocent people.
To which I would respond that, as can be easily demonstrated, so does accepting the zionists' claim to eternal property rights in the land of others.
No, it seems that mixing religion with politics all too often leads to terrible injustice and atrocities, and maybe it's time we all agreed not to do it any more. And not to allow others to do it, either, especially with our help.
For zionists, and for the rest of us, that means utterly repudiating, not only the "Christ-killer" charge, but also the zionist claims to the property of other people. Rejecting the former without similarly rejecting the latter is pure hypocrisy, and hardly the position of a person of sound mind, or of sound conscience.
The claim that the biblical Jews and all their descendants are guilty of killing Christ presumes that the Jews of today are the racial descendants of those who swore, "Let his blood be upon us and upon our children's children," as described in the New Testament. Unlike today, we must recall that oaths were taken very seriously in ancient times and were considered legally binding on descendants. After all, that is the basis for the two-way "covenant" that God, according to the scriptures, made with Abraham and his descendants.
The zionist claim to Palestinian property is similarly based on the premise that today's Jews are the racial descendants of those who were granted the property by Yahweh thousands of years ago, according to their interpretation of the Old Testament.
In order to be consistent, one must either reject biblical scripture and ancient genealogical myths as a basis for both property entitlements and criminal culpability, or one must accept its legitimacy as the basis for both. For one thing, to selectively recognize the eternal, legally-binding property rights of the Jews in "the Promised Land" above all others' as "good" but reject the charge of "Christ-killer" as 'evil' is to imply that the Old Testament is legally more binding the New Testament and that it more accurately reflects the will of God. In that case, we might as well trash the past 2000 years and declare ourselves not only a theocracy, but a Jewish theocracy, where the legal authority of Old Testament scripture supersedes that of the New Testament and also secular laws.
You might say: but accusing Jewish people of being Christ-killers has led to terrible injustices and horrible atrocities against innocent people.
To which I would respond that, as can be easily demonstrated, so does accepting the zionists' claim to eternal property rights in the land of others.
No, it seems that mixing religion with politics all too often leads to terrible injustice and atrocities, and maybe it's time we all agreed not to do it any more. And not to allow others to do it, either, especially with our help.
For zionists, and for the rest of us, that means utterly repudiating, not only the "Christ-killer" charge, but also the zionist claims to the property of other people. Rejecting the former without similarly rejecting the latter is pure hypocrisy, and hardly the position of a person of sound mind, or of sound conscience.
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Oy vey!
In the immortal words of David Icke:
"Jews? That's ridiculous! It's lizards, not Jews who control everything."
Israel's government gets so much bad press, as a card-carrying Jew I can understand how people slip into the habit of being antisemitic.
With regard to Israel, the myth of it being exceptionally evil is easily debunked by the fact that, from a historical standpoint, it does exactly what every other nation state did and continues to do. There no nation states that can claim moral superiority to Israel, as it is axiomatic that nation states can only exist through legalized theft and murder. This does not excuse what Israel does, but it does put it in context with the crimes of other states. Someone recently posted something on Reddit that stated:
"Sri Lanka Kills Hundreds of Civilians; nobody cares because they're not Palestinian,"
which shows that people are aware of this issue.
"Jews? That's ridiculous! It's lizards, not Jews who control everything."
Israel's government gets so much bad press, as a card-carrying Jew I can understand how people slip into the habit of being antisemitic.
With regard to Israel, the myth of it being exceptionally evil is easily debunked by the fact that, from a historical standpoint, it does exactly what every other nation state did and continues to do. There no nation states that can claim moral superiority to Israel, as it is axiomatic that nation states can only exist through legalized theft and murder. This does not excuse what Israel does, but it does put it in context with the crimes of other states. Someone recently posted something on Reddit that stated:
"Sri Lanka Kills Hundreds of Civilians; nobody cares because they're not Palestinian,"
which shows that people are aware of this issue.
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Re: Oy vey!
Oh you have got to be fucking kidding me. IN WHAT COUNTRY does Israel's government get bad press?jlaw172364 wrote:
Israel's government gets so much bad press
Not the United States, that's for goddamn sure.
Where do you live, Palestine??
Tell me how many Americans saw this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hjyq2FzRBo&e
Almost none. That's how many.
I was gonna delete this thread, because I posted the link without looking at it very closely. I read down a little bit, saw some good info, and posted it without going any farther, and I regret that because I offended some people that I greatly respect.
But some of the others here, my GOD you suffer from the same weird-ass delusional-level of myopia that I see elsewhere.
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Re: Oy vey!
So, as a "card-carrying Jew" (whatever that means), you imply that although 'antisemitism' is a bad thing, Israel's inhumane treatment of the Palestinians, i.e. 'legalized" "theft and murder' is no biggie, since, in your psycho headset, 'everyone does it'. Spoken like a true Nazi.jlaw172364 wrote: Israel's government gets so much bad press, as a card-carrying Jew I can understand how people slip into the habit of being antisemitic.
With regard to Israel, the myth of it being exceptionally evil is easily debunked by the fact that, from a historical standpoint, it does exactly what every other nation state did and continues to do. There no nation states that can claim moral superiority to Israel, as it is axiomatic that nation states can only exist through legalized theft and murder. This does not excuse what Israel does, but it does put it in context with the crimes of other states. Someone recently posted something on Reddit that stated:
"Sri Lanka Kills Hundreds of Civilians; nobody cares because they're not Palestinian,"
which shows that people are aware of this issue.
Incidentally, it is not "legalized"; though you zionists exist in a medieval bubble, humanity, in fact, has managed to establish a system of international law by the standards of which Israel is a criminal, terrorist, rogue state.
No, it is axiomatic that humanity is duty-bound under the principles of international law and for the sake of its own survival, to abolish and eliminate any and all nation states whose continued existence depends on theft and murder. Just like the Nazi regime in Germany, the White-supremacist Apartheid regime in South Africa, one day soon the Judeo-supremacist zionist regime in Palestine will be tossed into the dustbin of history, where it belongs....it is axiomatic that nation states can only exist through legalized theft and murder
Sane people would argue, as Martin Luther King did, that injustice against some is an injustice against all."Sri Lanka Kills Hundreds of Civilians; nobody cares because they're not Palestinian."
But according to you, since, as you claim 'nobody cares' about the killing of civilians by Sri Lanka, nobody should care about the killing of Palestinians.
Sorry, bub. Hate to disappoint you and all that, but people do care about a starving, besieged people who are being brutally killed and stripped of all their rights and possessions by a racist, genocidal state.
As a "card-carrying Jew", that should comfort you, assuming that you consider "Jewishness" compatible with justice and basic human decency. That you perceive the struggle to save the Palestinian people from extermination as 'antisemitism' indicates that you do not.
In other words, people like you, IOW zionists, and racist 'antisemites' share a strikingly similar perception of what it means to be a Jew. In your shared paradigm, you both perceive Jewishness to be inconsistent with impartiality and justice for non-Jews. The only difference is that, in this zero-sum game, you are rooting for 'the Jews' to triumph over the 'others', while your mirror-image, the racist antisemite, is rooting for 'the others' to triumph over 'the Jews'.
From a moral point of view, there is little to choose between you, and your assumption that your form of racial supremacy is superior to theirs, simply reeks of hypocrisy.
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