Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

[xsicbastardx]

In the past few years, as I have began to move away from falling down rabbit holes and trying keep at least one foot on the ground I have found that the true great mysteries in life are the ones that we find in the History Books you just have to keep going, read between the lines and use your gut to guide you.

One of those Histories is Egypt and you could add the Olmecs, Myans, Aztecs. Those peoples were a true enigma. From building structures based upon geometry that should have eluded them to building structures like the Pyramids were are told that these people were primitive cultures. Primitive? I could right for the next 4 hours on the contradictions to that statement but I really don't have the breath for that. In the end, it comes down to one simple thing.


Faith.


You have to have faith, at least for me, that my own personal journey of truth in this complex and shadow world of reality is based upon an open mind, a willingness to be shown and an acceptance of what I find. Sometimes that means that the things we want to believe turn out to be false and the truth that we find is more insidious, Heinous and Evil than we could imagine.

In the sands of Egypt lies a History waiting to be discovered, and when it is, it will cover this history with a layer of Sand that our Ancestor's Ancestor's will debate and argue you over for another 100,000 years.

[brainpanhandler]

In the sands of Egypt lies a History waiting to be discovered, and when it is, it will cover this history with a layer of Sand that our Ancestor's Ancestor's will debate and argue you over for another 100,000 years.

Don't you mean the descendents of our descendents? or do you intend something stranger?

And man are you optimistic. I believe we've got at best 50/50 odds of surviving another 100 years, unless we can go back in time. Of course maybe our dna has been duly stored away on the moonbase for just such an eventuality. Maybe that's why we're here at all.

[tron]

In the sands of Egypt lies a History waiting to be discovered, and when it is, it will cover this history with a layer of Sand that our Ancestor's Ancestor's will debate and argue you over for another 100,000 years.

Don't you mean the descendents of our descendents? or do you intend something stranger?

And man are you optimistic. I believe we've got at best 50/50 odds of surviving another 100 years, unless we can go back in time. Of course maybe our dna has been duly stored away on the moonbase for just such an eventuality. Maybe that's why we're here at all.

itll be funny when the future achaeologist find one of these



then arugue about what sort of flowers we used to put in the lovely vase

[Lord Balto]

WRT to West, to my mind, thats rather like saying that other altenativists in other fields such as, say Peter Dale Scott arent worthy cos of his conclusions.

This conflation makes little sense.

I believe if you read the Temple of Man By Shwaller de lubicz, you might think again about John Anthony West, and indeed many of the "alternative" crowd.

My suspicions, as I've said before, revolve around the racist history these characters push. The "alternative" egyptology has its own orthodoxy at this point. E.g., "10,500 BC".

As I have pointed out, the entire case for an extended timeline in Egypt is based on Solon's account of his trip to Egypt where the priest supposedly told him that Egypt was 9000 years old. My own take on this is that the Greek managed to get the unit wrong, and that he was told that Egypt was 9000 4-month seasons old, thus putting it in line with modern estimates. See my Chapter Eight: Adam and Atlas―Eden and the Fall of Atlantis at http://neros.lordbalto.com/Contents.htm[/url]

[barracuda]

Well clearly you cant see where Im pointing, cos you cant apparently access the site

Thank u 2

Anyone here actually see the video ?

Any thoughts on the interview ?7

Okay, I watched the video. A group of loosely strung-together assertions (Evolution by natural selection is a fraud. Darwinism is the root of all modern spiritualessness, and thus all modern ills. Darwinism insists that life is meaningless. Higher civilizations built the Sphinx 35,000 years ago because that is the only viable Leonine procession. Etc.) without a shred of evidence or alternative explanations. If I must evaluate him from the content of his ideas available on this video, Mr. West strikes me as a anti-science charlatan. Can you help me out here? Am I supposed to take him seriously? On what basis?

[orz]

The domesticated pig intuitively always strikes me as some kinda genetic marriage between a human and a Warthog or Wild Boar.

BUT ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR LOVE LIFE :rimshot:

(sorry )

[slimmouse]

Okay, I watched the video. A group of loosely strung-together assertions (Evolution by natural selection is a fraud. Darwinism is the root of all modern spiritualessness, and thus all modern ills. Darwinism insists that life is meaningless. Higher civilizations built the Sphinx 35,000 years ago because that is the only viable Leonine procession. Etc.) without a shred of evidence or alternative explanations. If I must evaluate him from the content of his ideas available on this video, Mr. West strikes me as a anti-science charlatan. Can you help me out here? Am I supposed to take him seriously? On what basis?

I hope you arent a book critic Barracuda. I can only assume you saw a different video to me. That kind of review reminds me of something I might hear from the WAPO about the war in afghanistan, or Hugo Chavez. A collection of conclusions, factual inferences and assumptions based upon absolutely nothing that i understood from the video.

Am I supposed to take you seriously ?

[OP ED]

i got mostly the same from the vid, slim.

there isn't a lot of evidence presented there, only a lot of conclusions.

[most of which don't even logically follow each other]

in short: it came across as a load of horseshit to me.

[and i have little trouble with the notion of civilization being a bit older than they say, and indeed of statues being older than civilization, piling of rocks being something i consider rather basic]

[slimmouse]

i got mostly the same from the vid, slim.

there isn't a lot of evidence presented there, only a lot of conclusions.

[most of which don't even logically follow each other]

in short: it came across as a load of horseshit to me.

[and i have little trouble with the notion of civilization being a bit older than they say, and indeed of statues being older than civilization, piling of rocks being something i consider rather basic]

So , "Darwinism is the root of all modern day spiritualessness ?"

If you got that from this then you got me.

West is stating categorically that the sphinx was built 35000 years ago ?

And there is NO evidence that this construction is far older than the "church of Progress" would almost insist that we believe ?

No mention of the orwellian doublespeak in the "natural selection" phrase ? To paraphrase, When essentially did ordered concsious choice actually mean accidental coinidence Mr Dawkins and co ?

No mention of Wests similar, if not quite as lengthy rebuttal of creationism as it is generally understood ?

FWIW, what I got most from the video is the idea that , largely because of the the way we have been manipulated, lied to, and essentially dumbed down by the usual suspects ( Ancient Egypt history, and all the rest being a typical bedrock of this process), that we have created a whole new caste of "unteachables".

I saw that as the main message, and I would defy you to call that conclusion the illogical assertions of an "Anti Science" Charlatan

[2012 Countdown]

Personally, I think West's preoccupation w/Darwinism distracts and is unneeded to make a case for the older Sphinx. A tangent which opens an attack unrelated to the matter at hand.

I believe there may be something to it. If you are looking for evidence and hard data, SLAD posted a good series to check out-

The Mystery of the Sphinx
The Mystery of the Sphinx Part 1

The Mystery of the Sphinx Pt.2/10

The Mystery of the Sphinx Pt.3/10

The Mystery of the Sphinx Pt.4/10

The Mystery of the Sphinx Pt.5/10

I recall seeing this at the time it aired way back when, but rewatched it. I think it makes a case to consider.

[barracuda]

So , "Darwinism is the root of all modern day spiritualessness ?"

If you got that from this then you got me.

Slimmouse, regarding Darwinism, West says at about 20:50 - "Underlying all the WalMarts and all the bobble-head dolls and all the stupidity oif today is this fraudulent doctrine".

What do you take away from statements like that? Yeah, I'm serious.

The idea that the Leonine procession directly relates to the specific eras in which the Sphinx could have been constructed is tenuous at best, and underlies the entire 35,000 year old theory. If the Sphinx was Anubis, of course it falls apart entirely.

[slimmouse]

So , "Darwinism is the root of all modern day spiritualessness ?"

If you got that from this then you got me.

Slimmouse, regarding Darwinism, West says at about 20:50 - "Underlying all the WalMarts and all the bobble-head dolls and all the stupidity oif today is this fraudulent doctrine".

What do you take away from statements like that? Yeah, I'm serious.

But surely he meant this within the context of the idea that all of this existence is accidental coincidence as parrotted by subsequent hard nosed superstars of Science, such as Dawkins and co ?

[barracuda]

Yes, but ferchrissakes, it's not as if the scientific study of genetics and evolution and taxonomy is some kind of debilitating influence on human culture on the order of "Dancing With The Stars" or something. They are entirely legitimate fields of study that have brought immensely important levels of comprehension of our place in nature, and in the case of genetics, hard, very real advancements in medical approaches to a variety of ailments, etc. You can't really blame bobbleheads on Darwin.

[OP ED]

No mention of the orwellian doublespeak in the "natural selection" phrase ? To paraphrase, When essentially did ordered concsious choice actually mean accidental coinidence Mr Dawkins and co ?

No mention of Wests similar, if not quite as lengthy rebuttal of creationism as it is generally understood ?

no doublespeak. not as i read it anyhow. it is a fairly concrete rendering of an abstraction of an extremely complicated natural process. This false dichotomy resultant from mistunderstandings of these processes has nothing to do with Darwin. Also nothing to do with whether or not the language accurately reflects reality. Neodarwinism doesn't live or die based on the strength and faith of Mr. Dawkins' preaching. Thankfully.

it also has nothing whatsoever to do with the Sphinx, but we've already been over that. Even addressing it weakens his case, as does his digression into astological reasonings. SLAD's docus deal with the anomalous issues of the construction much more effectively and without all the eye-bleeding hyperbole.

also, frankly, showing that one can debunk biblical-style creationism doesn't prove much. Learning to tie your own shoelaces is harder.

[monster]

Amino acids have been found in asteroids IIRC from some high school biology. Francis Crick believe in panspermia; one of the covers to his books actually depicts a rocket crashing into earth (=Directed Panspermia=alien intervention, of sorts).

Building block of life found on comet

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The amino acid glycine, a fundamental building block of proteins, has been found in a comet for the first time, bolstering the theory that raw ingredients of life arrived on Earth from outer space, scientists said on Monday.