Original PI owner gives up, gives to whack jobs

[marshwren]

someone who swears the most important oaths to their country (presumably) brooks the totalitarian overthrow of a democracy minded (presumably, what an ass of me) message board?
Let me get my calculator and see if that adds up...
Whats the factor for insanity?
Less than or greater than lying bullshit?

Which is why i mentioned a paycheck: what could be more "rational" than economic self-interest?

[trashman]

Hard to swallow the shape of things that have happened.
Insanity wouldnt follow such a rightward course.
Choices left are mean and evil.

[Jeff]

Think about this. Would any true lefty endorse Michael Rivero or Ron Paul? Now I'd like to drop one little itty bitty tidbit for your perusal. Would it come as a surprise to anyone that Tinoire has claimed to work for military intelligence? If that claim wasn't a lie, how believable is it that someone who used to be a spy would end up as a progressive?

Tinoire's a member of RI, and since it's a breach of our posting guidelines to insinuate that a member is an agent, I'd caution against this line of argument.

But more than that - though perhaps less, because it's Internet anecdotal - nothing I've seen from Tinoire supports the contention. I believe she's making the wrong choices re PI now, but I'm convinced she's not making the wrong choices intentionally.

[seemslikeadream]

Tinoire's a member of RI, and since it's a breach of our posting guidelines to insinuate that a member is an agent, I'd caution against this line of argument.

But more than that - though perhaps less, because it's Internet anecdotal - nothing I've seen from Tinoire supports the contention. I believe she's making the wrong choices re PI now, but I'm convinced she's not making the wrong choices intentionally.

Many of her old friends feel the same way about Tinoire and can't believe she has treated them so badly. They were there for her for YEARS at PI and now she treats them like dirt. To tell the truth, some even doubt it is her because they just can't get over the fact she has turned on loyal good long time friends, slapping them in the face after they posted and kept PI going for years. Mean and vicious, after she had been such a wonderful person to know, especially for me, 7 years and ya think you know someone, oh well

[LeftiesDon'tSupportRivero]

(Tinoire in Military Intelligence....)

No, it's not a surprise, but that is because I know her and have spoken to her offline. She is not just some anonymous screen name on the internet, she's a real person.

There are many reasons most people don't reveal who they really are or who they've worked for when they're on the internet. Since I know Tin, I know she didn't hide her background for sinister reasons, she did it to protect her private life from people who would do her harm. Unfortunately, it seems those people who would do her harm, found ways to get past the walls she put up to protect herself.

In regards to Ron Paul, she spoke about supporting him at one point. This was back when he started to get media attention has a potential candidate for President. He seemed like someone who was speaking truth to power, but it didn't take long for all of us, including Tin to realize he was someone that was not what we had hoped.

Well, at least you responded directly to the post. Jack Riddler tried to shrug it off. He's the same guy who shrugs off any criticism about Sibel Edmonds and BradBlog attacking one of the most progressive politicians in Congress. Guess that makes it not as awkward that hard core lefties would have voted for Ron Paul. OMG, where is the common sense? Trashman and others appear to have it. No one goes from being in military intelligence to being a hard core lefty. You guys make it sound like someone can indeed be a little bit pregnant.

We'll see how long myself and perhaps others who speak truth and don't break rules are allowed to stay on even this forum. I read the rule here where we can't accuse others of being black op government spies or whatnot. Well, isn't that special. I can see the point. Without proof, there would eventually be a million posts breaking down to I know you are but what am I. But back to the point, Tinoire has admitted to being a spy. Now someone who I thought was upset with her running of her forum is saying Tinoire was hush hush about her military intelligence past because she was protecting people. What? Give me a break. She admitted to it once for whatever reasons. There's no way to argue she has kept her mouth shut about it since to protect anyone. If anything, I think she has gone mute about it because she initially messed up and now wants it to be forgotten. Back then it's not as if many lefties probably would have even known about a Ronald Reagan forum.

This person above is also saying that it's no biggie that Tinoire supported Ron Paul. Ok, then let's take a look at some of Tinoire's other friends. One is part of my username. Michael Rivero. She supports him in a big way. They are closely affiliated. Rivero used to sponsor Tinoire's domain at the top of his front page everyday. At Tinoire's, in her links section, I haven't checked it of late, but I assume the same is still being done for Rivero.

Now who is Tinoire's close friend Michael Rivero protecting when he hides the fact that he worked for the world's largest military contractor? These people have had brain cramps. Protecting, schmotecting. They spilled some toothpaste and couldn't get it back in the tube. Then a few people go through the internet past and find these things. Then those who try to get the truth out are ridiculed or their findings are obscured or they get outright banned and their posts are deleted.




Before anyone says this is probably a different Michael Rivero, no way. He left hs signature tagline in a different entry with the same email address which can be seen below. So what we have here is Tinoire was in military intelligence and Rivero was with a gigantic defense contractor and both of them are close and both of them act as if they are God's gift to freedom, patriotism, peace, justice, and the internet. I say the gig is up! HA!





One last idea I have, Tinoire is also affiliated with something called Velvet Revolution. It was founded by Brad Friedman and convicted terrorist and drug smuggler Brett Kimberlin. They've been running a lot of unsubstantiated tabloid material for years and in return appear to have received o'plenty in donations from good-hearted but naive new agers. Well, guess what, Progressive Independent is affiliated with Velvet Revolution. Oh my.

Now we see Tinoire's friends from the BradBlog facilitating one of the most ridiculous libel jobs ever on a progressive Congresswoman. Jan Schakowsky might not be what some want in regards to Middle East policy, but it's pretty shady for so-called liberals and progressives to be buying into the recent tabloid junk put out, which bhy the way, always ends with pleas for donations. And Tinoire voted for Ron Paul. A self-proclaimed commie voted for Ron Paul! That's the ticket!

Thanks to those who took my above posts seriously. I am with Trashman. I've now got cliches running through my noggin. Like leopards can't change their stripes, or you can't handle the truth. Tinoire was protecting herself? Maybe she never left the job but got reassigned to the cyberspace division. I'm not trying to break any rules here. I find it ridiculous that anyone would diminish the importance of this rare find. And for anyone who wishes to shift the focus onto me or onto some who cares trip Tinoire is talking about moving to South America, all I can say is nice try, but the content is now out there. The truth is now out there. There are pockets of awareness in cyberspace despite there being an apparent widescale plan to control the flow of democratic processes on it.

[marshwren]

Well, we are treading a very fine line here, fraught with all sorts of potential for misunderstanding. For instance, in responding to Trashman, my response was meant to be rhetorical--while it obviously was related TO Tin, it wasn't ABOUT Tin; an admittedly less-than-obvious distinction i didn't mention, and i apologise for the lapse.

And while Jeff is diligent in reminding us (like the unruly children we usually are) to mind on manners (as is proper and necessary for the integrity of this board), the points raised by SLaD, Trashman and LDSR (whose certitude i certainly don't share) are valid. I've seen other sites, and the personalities associated with them, discussed here in as-critical-as-microscopic detail, without Admin admonition. The fact that the principles in question in this thread are members in good standing of RI shouldn't mean the subject is off-limits; it just imposes upon all of us a higher level of responsibility when addressing the broader issues raised. We owe it to RI, as well as ourselves, to live up to that obligation, at least to the best of our abilities.

[chiggerbit]

Good god, I just had a horrible thought--what if Ted gunderson signed up at RI?

Jeff said:

Tinoire's a member of RI, and since it's a breach of our posting guidelines to insinuate that a member is an agent, I'd caution against this line of argument.

[LeftiesDon'tSupportRivero]

Think about this. Would any true lefty endorse Michael Rivero or Ron Paul? Now I'd like to drop one little itty bitty tidbit for your perusal. Would it come as a surprise to anyone that Tinoire has claimed to work for military intelligence? If that claim wasn't a lie, how believable is it that someone who used to be a spy would end up as a progressive?

Tinoire's a member of RI, and since it's a breach of our posting guidelines to insinuate that a member is an agent, I'd caution against this line of argument.

But more than that - though perhaps less, because it's Internet anecdotal - nothing I've seen from Tinoire supports the contention. I believe she's making the wrong choices re PI now, but I'm convinced she's not making the wrong choices intentionally.

I've shown extreme caution in my posts so as to not break one of your precious rules. Tinoire's the one who has posted that she worked for military intelligence. You don't find that shocking? You're more worried about your rule than trying to get to the bottom of why an alleged progressive has supported right wingers like Michael Rivero and Ron Paul? And now we see that she admits to having been a spy. Is it against the rules to say a member was a spy based on their own words? I think we're all just waiting for Tinoire herself to reappear and do some explaining. I, for one, am laughing out loud!

[Jeff]

You're not fooling me, "LeftiesDon'tSupportRivero." Goodbye. Again.

[bks]

Well, at least you responded directly to the post. Jack Riddler tried to shrug it off. He's the same guy who shrugs off any criticism about Sibel Edmonds and BradBlog attacking one of the most progressive politicians in Congress.

Attacking Schakowski? You mean the woman who, after Sibel Edmonds used extraordinary care in divulging what she had come across (not claimed as her own information) as an FBI translator, disgracefully chose to accuse Edmonds of fabrication? The woman who Edmonds did not accuse of any crime and about whom Edmonds made sure to say she did not even know if Schakowski was aware of being targeted?

Schakowski had a chance to do the right thing, and Edmonds reached out to her even after Schakowski badmouthed Edmonds. Her affair is a very small part of a huge story, one that, if Schakowski truly gave a shit about the rule of law, she'd have demanded an investigation into.

So fuck her, too.

[JackRiddler]

Well, at least you responded directly to the post. Jack Riddler tried to shrug it off.

You are looking for a fight and very fast on the draw, both of which can make one say stupid things. I didn't shrug off your post but took it seriously enough to ask for confirmation that it's the same Tinoire at ronaldreagan.com as at PI, which you have provided.

After that, who knows what I might have thought in a matter that I've barely examined prior to this thread (not being a PI member or even much of a lurker, though I enjoyed checking the DU section). I figure I was likely to form an opinion that basically agrees with your programmatic screen name, if not your unprovable conclusions about what else Tinoire must therefore be.

But since you've imputed my opinions before I even thought them myself, and apparently assigned me in rigid binary fashion to the enemy camp in your imaginary crusade, I guess my work here is done! Thanks.

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[JackRiddler]

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For the record, there is no evidence that Sibel Edmonds or BradBlog ever "attacked" Schakowsky. That would be the case only if Edmonds's story is a whole-cloth fabrication. We cannot know that long as her FOIA case is blocked by invocation of the "state secrets" doctrine, and the relevant FBI case files are therefore closed to public disclosure, or even to federal prosecutors.

Edmonds's story is not about Schakowsky, it is about what she says she read and heard in the FBI archives of investigations into the activities of the Turkish and Israeli lobbies. If the FBI archives do actually contain the allegations and findings that Edmonds claims, then Edmonds in fact kept Schakowsky's name out of the public for years, long after she revealed the names of Perle, Feith, Grossman, Hastert et al. as participants in a spying-for-cash ring that served the Turkish and Israeli lobbies as its clients. Again, if the FBI archives do read as Edmonds says, then it was mainly the neocons she attacked by violating the government gag orders, and Schakowsky she has protected for many months after spilling the beans on the neocons. (The same Schakowsky who in Edmonds's telling is described as a victim of the spy ring and not a perpetrator.)

I don't care what you think is the likeliest or most plausible out of all these scenarios. Here's my binary opposition: either you are for disclosure of the FBI archives in the cases Edmonds cites, and an investigation to follow that may in the end indict her for libel and slander; or you are for the invocation of state secrets doctrine in a way that prevents us from knowing the truth or lies of her story, and may protect the architects of the Iraq invasion -- the bloodiest crime against humanity committed in the young century -- from prosecution on charges of treason.

So which is it, LDSR? Disclosure or sophistry? In your case that's rhetorical, I'm afraid, because I don't care what your answer is, your having rapidly exposed yourself as an aggressive nimrod. Nope.

So I shall simply adopt your athletic logic and witchhunting style, and sign off under my new screen name,

LeftistsDontWorktoExonerateDouglasFeith'sWarCrimes

[JackRiddler]

sarcastic post deleted to avoid false impressions.

The descent and part-demise of PI is regrettable. Its resemblance to the "splitters" scene in Life of Brian provides some funny material on the surface, but very much sucks in the larger scheme of things. It's better when we rise above such dynamics.

[DoYouEverWonder]

How come there are no clickable links to any of the information Mr. Lefty posted?

There's a lot on innuendo but very little substance.

Someone's working very hard it seems to focus on Tin, rather then her friends who are manipulating her.

[seemslikeadream]

You bitch, fuck you, you petty little bitch.


I am so very tired of your childish behavior, screw you.
I am not a fucking troll, and neither are the other people you banned from PI so shut the fuck up.
They were all your good friends for years and now they are trolls,
you, my dear are an ass


Take your little gang and your little troll dolls and shove them all up your ass.
I am sure they will all fit quite nicely.