UFO filmed over Jerusalem.

[justdrew]

sorry, didn't click through to youtube before, the "third video" is available in 1080p, hold on a sec and I'll have a higher rez version of the crop/zoom/slowmo

[barracuda]

Ball lightning doesn't really account for the red objects in the sky (read: mothership) at the end of the videos.

Related event?

[MacCruiskeen]

If, say, alien intelligences could travel in balls of intense light, exactly how would we distinguish them from "ball lightning"?

Especially when nobody really knows what "ball lightning" actually is, whether or not it is closely related to real lightning at all, or whether every phenomemon subsumed under the handy label "ball lightning" is in fact a manifestation of the same forces.

[lyrimal]

The count seems to be 23 seconds stationary over the spire.

The time is given as 1:00 AM for both video locations, which is awfully close to a date change of course. Given the Gregorian January 28th date, I see the Hebrew calendar's equivalent is the 23rd of Sh'vat 5771. The Hijri (Islamic) calendar's equivalent is the 24th of Safar 1432.

FWIW...

[brainpanhandler]

For instance, a bolt of real lightning discharges when it hits a spire. It doesn't hover over it, bounce off it and then dance around in the air with its pals.

Right. I can't conceive of a scenario where ball lightning would organize loosely and imperfectly into a circled-wagons pattern and then either rotate around the center space and/or alternate between luminescent and invisible (e.g., blink on and off) in a chaser pattern around said wagon circle. I count at least four apparently-individual participant light sources after the first source rapidly ascends to -- presumably -- "join the others" (not to anthropomorphize unduly) for some rope light lasso show before ultimately disappearing.

Agreed.

there were bound to be lots of witnesses, some of which with imaging equipment already running, just statistically speaking

Agreed. Are there other videos/pictures yet?

[tazmic]

Is "ball" "lightning" (whatever that is or isn't) particularly "partial to spires"? Not that I know of. From all accounts I've read, it behaves very differently indeed from the thing commonly known as lightning.

Well yes, the video is clear evidence of the ball being overcome by its more common nature, then pausing whilst it remembers itself before shooting off.

Okay this is how it works... The ball lightning is a plasma that works opposite to normal lightning, in that it tries its best not to discharge. But whilst having a strong repulsive force it also has a weak attractive force, or something.

So there it was newly created and wafting along at some happy altitude of balanced forces, when the earth, finally feeling it's presence above, through that extra feel for such things the church always provides, reached up via the spire with a tiny sympathetic arc of its own (how lightning works, I believe). Called in this way by the church, mixed personality ball zips down until it finds a new balance just above the spire, with its strong repulsive force keeping it from a final dissolution. After some time the earth/spire energetic combo... gets tired, gives up, and our ball, finding itself momentarily in a negative energy well, or something, pings back to high altitude where it spins about with its friends until it finds another happy balance in its life once again.

Could be true.

[barracuda]

[MacCruiskeen]

Is "ball" "lightning" (whatever that is or isn't) particularly "partial to spires"? Not that I know of. From all accounts I've read, it behaves very differently indeed from the thing commonly known as lightning.

Well yes, the video is clear evidence of the ball being overcome by its more common nature, then pausing whilst it remembers itself before shooting off.

Okay this is how it works... The ball lightning is a plasma that works opposite to normal lightning, in that it tries its best not to discharge. But whilst having a strong repulsive force it also has a weak attractive force, or something.

So there it was newly created and wafting along at some happy altitude of balanced forces, when the earth, finally feeling it's presence above, through that extra feel for such things the church always provides, reached up via the spire with a tiny sympathetic arc of its own (how lightning works, I believe). Called in this way by the church, mixed personality ball zips down until it finds a new balance just above the spire, with its strong repulsive force keeping it from a final dissolution. After some time the earth/spire energetic combo... gets tired, gives up, and our ball, finding itself momentarily in a negative energy well, or something, pings back to high altitude where it spins about with its friends until it finds another happy balance in its life once again.

Could be true.

Thanks, tazmic. Someone should make a film of that. It nearly had me in tears.

[tazmic]

HOAX

I don't get it. But is this relevant?

[brainpanhandler]

[MacCruiskeen]

Surely that "HOAX" video is itself a hoax.

[barracuda]

It's not, but it doesn't really prove anything imho. The close foreground and background could move that way in video. Parallax effect + yummy jello.

[StarmanSkye]

Intriguing; The 'hoax proved' video doesn't explain how the 3rd, closer video of the phenom was coordinated -- it doesn't even acknowledge the other two vids.

I have no way of assessing whether this is true or faked.

[Project Willow]

Ball lightning may exist, and it may act in mysterious ways, but I think it can be pretty safely assumed that it doesn't hover directly over the spire of the the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. Whether fake or not, the positioning has intent behind it.

It hovered until the bright flash then it leapt away. Somebody ask the Mossad what they shot it with.

If, say, alien intelligences could travel in balls of intense light, exactly how would we distinguish them from "ball lightning"?

That's funny.

[brainpanhandler]

sorry, didn't click through to youtube before, the "third video" is available in 1080p, hold on a sec and I'll have a higher rez version of the crop/zoom/slowmo

Can you give us a slomo of the flash in the first video as well? It appears that just before the bright flash there is a momentary brightening, as if a charge is building and then discharges.