Welcome to... The Saloon

[hava1]

i love that "shot my foot while it was in the mouth" kind of short version of My Life Story

I say, put some salt and pepper, and enjoy the foot chops while their hot...

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a toast for love

Its almost new moon in Aries, definitely new cycle

[Project Willow]

[Jeff]

[Project Willow]

^^

Here's to surviving all the storms (internal and external)!

[Peregrine]

I know that misogyny thread got pretty volatile at times, but holy moly, um, Steven, pint on me for this.



That entire thread has been a great learning experience for me.

[Project Willow]

^ Oh, alright Lady P., I'll drink to the irony of that toast in this venue, there's nothing else to do about it.



I've seen that video and so far I'm the only female that I know who doesn't like it. Those guys really creep me out, they give me the shaky-shivers. The vid is a chorus line review of white male guilt and at its most cynical, an attempt to initiate and control a forgiveness process that should be directed by women, not by men. Hell, I don't even like the title, "Dear Woman", we're still the other, right from the beginning. I also don't buy the idea of the "unconscious masculine", although it's clever as an escape route. They should cut the vid to less than a minute, and just say "Please forgive us, we really didn't mean to oppress, mutilate, rape, enslave and murder you for the last couple of thousand years, honest, we had no control over ourselves." They all got PMS envy.

Bah, peddle it down the street dude, move along.

Anyway, Lady P., nice to see you here, and have pint or two on me.

[Peregrine]

Gah, looks like he did have an epiphany to me. Ever the hopeful optimist I am.

Anyway, Lady P., nice to see you here, and have pint or two on me.

Miss, when I find myself in your neck of the woods, we should have more than a couple & be silly tipsy females causing a good old fun filled rucus!

[Project Willow]

I'm glad you're an optimist, my glasses are too dark sometimes.

Miss, when I find myself in your neck of the woods, we should have more than a couple & be silly tipsy females causing a good old fun filled rucus!

I cannot wait!

[LilyPatToo]

Well, I'm officially jealous, since the likelihood of me showing up at the same time is close to nil. I did try to get up there for a Steampunk convention a while back, but couldn't come up with the $$$. So I'll have a virtual Bailey's Irish Cream with you two tonight and dream of selling the painting I started today for SOooo much lovely money that I can do it in person one day

LilyPat

[compared2what?]

I've seen that video and so far I'm the only female that I know who doesn't like it.

Please allow me to hasten to assure you without further delay that actually, you do know another.

Those guys really creep me out, they give me the shaky-shivers.

That might be because the guys who put it together appear to be loosely affiliated with the Church-of-the-Movement-for Spiritual-Inner-Awareness/University-of-Santa-Monica/John-Roger crowd (aka: 'That cult that Arianna Huffington and Sally Kirkland are so into").

Or it might be because one of them makes his living hawking what looks like his own brand-name course of neo-sant-mat/tantric/human-potential tips for dating, corporate profit and search-engine optimization (out of a CA non-profit that's only half-a-degree-or-so of separation from some woman who offers the Radiance Prenatal Process as a "rebirthing"-therapy alternative to couples with adopted children, which might well be perfectly harmless but does have some [TRIGGER WARNING: systematic child abuse described on other side of link] very disturbing associations in that particular context.

Or it might just be because in abstract terms, there's honestly not a whole hell of a lot of difference between having some random guy you've never met before looking you in the eye and informing you portentously that he's going to honor your deep commitment to the earth (on the one hand) and that he's going to give you the good hard fuck he knows you need whether you want it or not (on the other).

I mean, not to be too much of a bossy and demanding bitch about it or anything, but when it comes to those major relationship decisions, I really think that (in a perfect world, etc. and so on) I might just possibly maybe prefer to have the chance to offer a little bit of input from my perspective at some point before "totally done deal."

You know?

[Project Willow]

Hiya sister and thanks for the big V of validation.

Or it might just be because in abstract terms, there's honestly not a whole hell of a lot of difference between having some random guy you've never met before looking you in the eye and informing you portentously that he's going to honor your deep commitment to the earth (on the one hand) and that he's going to give you the good hard fuck he knows you need whether you want it or not (on the other).

I do believe you have given language to my shaky-shivers.

[Nordic]

Not to butt in here, but those guys gave me the willies, too.

What's up with that USM place, anyway? (University of Santa Monica). I did a gig over there, long story, got seriously mixed vibes about the place. And I know someone who got deep into it over there, and it just seems kinda weird. I got a vibe that the people that are running it are a little more steely-fisted as to their control issues than they let on? While the students are all well meaning sensitive types with heavy back stories.

I dunno.

I never come here, just saying "HI!"

I don't drink in real life either ....... used to! plenty!

[Stephen Morgan]

Or it might be because one of them makes his living hawking what looks like his own brand-name course of neo-sant-mat/tantric/human-potential tips for dating, corporate profit and search-engine optimization (out of a CA non-profit that's only half-a-degree-or-so of separation from some woman who offers the Radiance Prenatal Process as a "rebirthing"-therapy alternative to couples with adopted children, which might well be perfectly harmless but does have some [TRIGGER WARNING: systematic child abuse described on other side of link] very disturbing associations in that particular context.

You really are a very good researcher.

Or it might just be because in abstract terms, there's honestly not a whole hell of a lot of difference between having some random guy you've never met before looking you in the eye and informing you portentously that he's going to honor your deep commitment to the earth (on the one hand) and that he's going to give you the good hard fuck he knows you need whether you want it or not (on the other).

IT did have an air of "all these other men are awful, I'm so sympathetic you're going to have to fuck me".

In fact I think that video was the only misogynistic thing I posted in that thread.

I mean, not to be too much of a bossy and demanding bitch about it or anything, but when it comes to those major relationship decisions, I really think that (in a perfect world, etc. and so on) I might just possibly maybe prefer to have the chance to offer a little bit of input from my perspective at some point before "totally done deal."

I don't really see the point in choosing some random woman and using tricks to seduce them.

I know that misogyny thread got pretty volatile at times, but holy moly, um, Steven, pint on me for this.

You weren't meant to enjoy it! Still, there's no such thing as bad publicity as long as they sp... dammit!

That entire thread has been a great learning experience for me.

I learned nothing. Much like school, I learned nothing. Was a very unpleasant experience, that thread. Again, much like school. But more recent.

Gah, looks like he did have an epiphany to me. Ever the hopeful optimist I am.

God is always with me, P. You know, Epiphany. From the Greek.

I've seen that video and so far I'm the only female that I know who doesn't like it.

There are plenty more, at the place I found the video.

Those guys really creep me out, they give me the shaky-shivers.

We agree on something.

The vid is a chorus line review of white male guilt and at its most cynical, an attempt to initiate and control a forgiveness process that should be directed by women, not by men. Hell, I don't even like the title, "Dear Woman", we're still the other, right from the beginning. I also don't buy the idea of the "unconscious masculine", although it's clever as an escape route.

I'm assuming it was all a "fuck me" tactic.

They should cut the vid to less than a minute, and just say "Please forgive us, we really didn't mean to oppress, mutilate, rape, enslave and murder you for the last couple of thousand years, honest, we had no control over ourselves." They all got PMS envy.

I'd accept "we weren't alive when these things happened", but that sort of thing wouldn't tie in with what I believe to be their motive, which is their desire to be prolific sexual predators.

[Nordic]

This comment cracked me up:

Sounds like one of those apologies men make when they aren't really sure what is wrong, only more elaborate.

Actually reading further on that page, a lot of the comments are great.

Hey baby... I'm not like all those other guys. Can I get yo number? No no no, it ain't like that. I'm into your consciousness, baby. That's all. You've got a real nice set of consciousnesses on you, girl.

I'm waiting for the "Dear Cats" video: "woof, woof, whimper..."

[compared2what?]

Or it might be because one of them makes his living hawking what looks like his own brand-name course of neo-sant-mat/tantric/human-potential tips for dating, corporate profit and search-engine optimization (out of a CA non-profit that's only half-a-degree-or-so of separation from some woman who offers the Radiance Prenatal Process as a "rebirthing"-therapy alternative to couples with adopted children, which might well be perfectly harmless but does have some [TRIGGER WARNING: systematic child abuse described on other side of link] very disturbing associations in that particular context.

You really are a very good researcher.

Thank you. You really are all the nice things I've said about you, fwiw.

Or it might just be because in abstract terms, there's honestly not a whole hell of a lot of difference between having some random guy you've never met before looking you in the eye and informing you portentously that he's going to honor your deep commitment to the earth (on the one hand) and that he's going to give you the good hard fuck he knows you need whether you want it or not (on the other).

IT did have an air of "all these other men are awful, I'm so sympathetic you're going to have to fuck me".

In fact I think that video was the only misogynistic thing I posted in that thread.

I mean, not to be too much of a bossy and demanding bitch about it or anything, but when it comes to those major relationship decisions, I really think that (in a perfect world, etc. and so on) I might just possibly maybe prefer to have the chance to offer a little bit of input from my perspective at some point before "totally done deal."

I don't really see the point in choosing some random woman and using tricks to seduce them.

To get laid, as I understand it. And there's really nothing at all wrong with that, per se, if you ask me. As long as both parties are more or less on the same page wrt how the game is played, it can be every bit as much fun as any of the other ludicrous rituals in which people in their twenties who want to have casual sex routinely engage, really.

But you know how those cult-y types are. They just can't do anything without getting all tediously doctrinaire and oppressive about it. The poor things.

I'd accept "we weren't alive when these things happened", but that sort of thing wouldn't tie in with what I believe to be their motive, which is their desire to be prolific sexual predators.

Sure. But to be fair, they do kind of have to be. I mean, they are neo-tantric, after all.