Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/11/13

[Wombaticus Rex]

I love "you guys seems a little paranoid" -- that could be the most poignantly hilarious shit I've read here in years. I mean no offense by that, I'm just geniunely delighted at the sheer scale of the understatement there.

We are definitely a little paranoid, especially in the etymological sense. We are definitely not control freaks, as evidenced by the culture and format of this forum.

[Perelandra]

When I signed up for this forum, it was the Savile thread that sparked my interest, but by the time I was accepted into the fold, that particular page and poster had long since gone and Sandy Hook happened.

That thread and all posters to it have gone nowhere. It's a discussion forum, anything goes, as long as you follow the few rules. Though that doesn't mean your ideas are exempt from analysis.

I don’t blame Adam Lanza, the kid with the Evil DNA for exploiting this story for all it's worth or for triggering copy-cat scenarios or for making every school day oppressively fearful. I think it's the Media that's Evil, if we're looking for Evil.

I blame Lanza for murdering 26 people for reasons that can never be known. The evils of media have been exhaustively recorded here for years. Welcome to that club, I guess. I'm always disappointed by people who think MSM evil paying so much attention to it.

"Live Shooter Drills" or Trauma based Mind Control. You tell me...

Unnecessary hyperbole, things are fucking bad enough. You seem a bit attached to that blog. I will leave off with a quote from an entirely unrelated thread. Oh, and what drew said.

You simply cannot afford to make a habit out of relying on the transient and dubious relief from stress and care offered by the skyrocketing availability of cheap and exploitative imitations of well-researched and reliable news stories. They're produced purely for profit by a completely amoral and unscrupulous industry that doesn't think twice about seducing you with false appeals aimed directly at your greatest areas of emotional vulnerability, when the last thing on earth they have any intention of doing is respectig or caring for or meeting your needs.

On the contrary, they'll do everything they can to maximize the arousal of the very fear and anger that they appear, superficially, to be allaying. Because that's what will keep you coming back for more emotionally manipulative and virtually fact-free assurances and validations.

The entire racket is a menace to public health. It's built on lies and it preys on human frailty. Plus, it's highly addictive. At best, it's not safe to fool around with it unless you're prepared to challenge every element of it as vigorously as you would if it were pushing a line of thought that was uncongenial to you. And at worst, it's a threat to your life and health.

[lupercal]

^ that's well put perelandra and I don't mean to be overly nit-picky but aren't you defending what are essentially media-propagated ideas with little or no factual basis, namely: 1) there are lone nuts out there who randomly and inexplicably commit astonishingly efficient atrocities for no particular reason, as here:

I blame Lanza for murdering 26 people for reasons that can never be known.

and 2) "conspiracy theorists" and their unwarranted suspicions are the problem, not the media, as here:

Unnecessary hyperbole, things are fucking bad enough.

Not that there's anything wrong with believing these things but they routinely fail under scrutiny, and have again in this case, no?

[DrEvil]

@conniption: sorry for being so blunt. I could have said it a bit more politely.
I just wish people would be more critical of their sources. I think that's the main problem in this thread - people have wildly differing ideas of what constitutes evidence.

[coffin_dodger]

Intuition is pretty non-evidence based, afaic. Since when did this board require incontrovertible evidence?

I get the feeling that the closer we come to knowing 'truths', many of those that have sought them so vociferously may be somewhat uncomfortable with the resulting consequences.

[Perelandra]

^ that's well put perelandra and I don't mean to be overly nit-picky but

I used c2w's quote because I happened across it and I think it's so important it should probably be a mandatory warning label or something.

Danger: skyrocketing availability of cheap and exploitative imitations of well-researched and reliable news stories!

aren't you defending what are essentially media-propagated ideas with little or no factual basis, namely: 1) there are lone nuts out there who randomly and inexplicably commit astonishingly efficient atrocities for no particular reason, as here:

I blame Lanza for murdering 26 people for reasons that can never be known.

No, because whether media-propagated or not, such things do in fact happen, inexplicably if not randomly.

and 2) "conspiracy theorists" and their unwarranted suspicions are the problem, not the media, as here:

Unnecessary hyperbole, things are fucking bad enough.

I previously stated that the evils of media are big problems. What I objected to was the language "conniption" used. I object to throwing around the phrase "Trauma based Mind Control" carelessly. If one wanted to broaden the scope enough, one could say much of human life could be so called, but around here that phrase has specific definitions. That's all.

[DrEvil]

Intuition is pretty non-evidence based, afaic. Since when did this board require incontrovertible evidence?

I agree. My problem isn't that people are using their intuition, it's that people are taking their intuitions and speculations and presenting them as evidence, and then dismissing those who disagree as gate-keepers, or accuse them of censorship.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Since when did this board require incontrovertible evidence?

Kind of a shaky premise, though, innit? Since when did this board require anything?



Just keep shining. Remember the mantra: Words on a screen, words on a screen, words on a screen.

[barracuda]

I get the feeling that the closer we come to knowing 'truths', many of those that have sought them so vociferously may be somewhat uncomfortable with the resulting consequences.

I don't need to wait for it to get any closer - I'm uncomfortable with the consequences right now. Gun sales through the roof? Armed police in elementary schools? Millions of people adding the phrase "false flag" to their vocabulary as a tropism to point at every new event that comes down the gangway? MIllions of people taking new stock in the NRA? Millions more blathering on about the government taking their guns?

Every single time there's a hit like this, the right wing comes out on top. They sell ideology to the patriots and the preppers, push the agenda of arming yourself for freedom, and then reap the benefits when those arms kill the innocent. You'd almost think they like it that way.

[lupercal]

Every single time there's a hit like this, the right wing comes out on top. They sell ideology to the patriots and the preppers, push the agenda of arming yourself for freedom, and then reap the benefits when those arms kill the innocent. You'd almost think they like it that way.

True. In fact I'm surprised you admit that after your strenuous exertions to defend the official story, but never mind. The problem as I see it is that even that admission doesn't get us very far. We can know with 99% certainty within days if not hours that an operation has been staged based on the usual lacunae like motive, and that the loosely-defined right wing will benefit in many predictable ways, but we still don't know whose right wing or what particular consortium of agents and departments of the national security apparatus pulled the strings.

That's the question that never gets a satisfactory answer and a big reason these investigations amateur and otherwise go on for decades. JFK was shot 50 years ago this November and we still haven't fully figured that one out, but I don't doubt that we've gotten ever closer. Ditto the long list of assassinations, bombings, and mass murders that have followed including Utoya, Aurora and now Newtown.

[barracuda]

Understanding that the right gets the cash and prizes in the aftermath of many of these shootings is a vastly different thing from inventing a crummy spy-novel "op" complete with shadowy agents, accomplice webs, and all-powerful, unknowable national security puppet-masters at the helm. The former is an attempt to circumvent the propaganda, the latter is falling for it entirely.

[coffin_dodger]

Understanding that the right gets the cash and prizes in the aftermath of many of these shootings ...

I live in such a different reality to some other members of this board. In my reality, there is no difference between the 'right' and 'left' parties of the Western world - apart from rhetoric. In my world, the politicians are showmen, playing their respective parts to foment division amongst a populace that is (ever-so) slowly waking up to the masters who pull the strings in the shadows. Idealogy indeed.

Gun sales through the roof? Armed police in elementary schools? Millions of people adding the phrase "false flag" to their vocabulary as a tropism to point at every new event that comes down the gangway? MIllions of people taking new stock in the NRA? Millions more blathering on about the government taking their guns?

And what if this is what an awakening of true freedom and liberty looks like? A growing percentage of the populace deeply mistrustful of it's governors? A populace questioning it's leaders motives? A populace looking backwards... and extrapolating forwards?

With all the rage and anger and disbelief at the evil that men do I've witnessed on this board over the years, I find it odd that "millions of people adding false flag to thier vocabulary" could be portrayed as a bad thing. Or is that certain RI'ers like it that way - the feelings associated with 'we know something you don't' - that starts getting very uncomfortable at the hint of shit starting to get real?

Perhaps a better strapline for this board would be: "What we know makes us smarter than the ignorant sheeple" ?

Ho hum. So many questions. And no answer.

[barracuda]

And what if this is what an awakening of true freedom and liberty looks like? A growing percentage of the populace deeply mistrustful of it's governors? A populace questioning it's leaders motives? A populace looking backwards... and extrapolating forwards?

I can't spin increased gun sales as a sign of progress, sorry.

With all the rage and anger and disbelief at the evil that men do I've witnessed on this board over the years, I find it odd that "millions of people adding false flag to thier vocabulary" could be portrayed as a bad thing. Or is that certain RI'ers like it that way - the feelings associated with 'we know something you don't' - that starts getting very uncomfortable at the hint of shit starting to get real?

Everyone should know their history. That doesn't mean you slap "false flag" as your default position on every asshole extremist who decides to mass murder.

[DrVolin]

Coffin, i agree that making more people aware of the concept of a false flag attack is a good thing. It isn't good, however, if they immediatly associate it with an idea they find ridiculous or even dangerous. That's "in plane sight" type inoculation, and intentional or not, it works frighteningly well.

[JackRiddler]

Intuition is a means of guessing truth, not for insisting on falsehoods.