Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

[brainpanhandler]

I'm not sure sinister is the word I'd use. I'd probably go with "primitive and grotesque," maybe. Horrible. Just about any situation that results in charred human remains is disturbing.

LAPD Chief Charlie Beck called it "bittersweet", which makes it sound more like a love story. I guess that's appropriate, in a way.

With all the high tech non-lethal weaponry supposedly at the disposal of the police state it is preposterously anachronistic that the way Dorner went down was one of the oldest in existence.

[82_28]

Upon watching this morning's news coverage on CBS, this shit was almost too made for TV. I really cannot tell. Almost just too made for TV, if not made for TV. Again, cannot tell. It just seems like it.

[kelley]

wow, 'frankenstein'. good catch.

[IanEye]

I really cannot tell. Almost just too made for TV, if not made for TV

at this point, i think the TV is crafting things from it's own potter's wheel & kiln.


"Long Live the New Flesh"

[FourthBase]

While I still don't yet see what is disturbing-in-a-Rig-Int-sense about deliberately torching the cabin as a method for this particular circumstance (provided the circumstance was really as it was reported), that doesn't mean I don't see how the big picture is disturbing in other senses. Example, the take on it all from Jacobin:

http://jacobinmag.com/2013/02/the-chris ... r-complex/

[brekin]

Fourthbase wrote:

While I still don't yet see what is disturbing-in-a-Rig-Int-sense about deliberately torching the cabin as a method for this particular circumstance (provided the circumstance was really as it was reported), that doesn't mean I don't see how the big picture is disturbing in other senses.

I think torching the cabin is disturbing in a RI sense because post Waco there is the danger of killing unknown innocents and the whole dialogue that starts a la Billy Joel "we didn't start the fire".
In this case I guess they are owning up to starting the fire but what about the couple Dorner was possibly holding in the cabin? (Does anyone know if their presence has been proven or dis-proven?)
If there was a couple, did they make it out before? Were they executed by Dorner? Were they killed in the fire by the fire or friendly gun fire? Will torching the cabin make any analysis of that evident? In a urban or suburban stand off situation I assume you wouldn't torch a house with possible hostages inside,because this is a "cabin in the woods" its game? Seems like that part of the country has some pretty heavy duty military police gear, thermal imaging, armored tank type shit, etc Burning the cabin is Wild Bill Hickock shit. In fairness to them though they had already lost a deputy and another shot and they may have just wanted to squash the scenario fast.

This whole saga may have been a simple WYSIWYG, but just this blurb from a paper has some strange things. I mean if the owner rented the cabin to the couple wouldn't it be pretty easy to get a hold of them
today in the age of cell phones? And if they aren't able to be reached why not report that. Also wouldn't Dorner have used the hostages as leverage at some point?

BREAKING NEWS: Dorner shootout. Fear couple being held hostage

...
NBC 4 Los Angeles reports the owner rented the cabin this weekend, but it had been vacant for some time before then.
Amazingly the cabin is across from the command post where hundreds of law enforcement officers have been conducting a manhunt for Dorner in the Big Bear area since last Thursday.

Commander Smith said currently, 1,045 officers continue to work on all leads received on Dorner, and they continue to search and work leads while these events unfold.
Commander Smith cautioned news media that no one can be positive the suspect who stole the vehicle is in fact Dorner, though it is likely. "Until we get him in handcuffs and in custody we don’t know for sure," said Smith.
Commander Smith said while there have been reports of hostages, they have not been confirmed.
...

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ ... z2KnaWf8FW

[NaturalMystik]

Apparently Dorner's drivers license was found beside a charred body in the cabin. That's awfully convenient, good thing it didn't burn up...

[brainpanhandler]

I really cannot tell. Almost just too made for TV, if not made for TV

at this point, i think the TV is crafting things from it's own potter's wheel & kiln.


"Long Live the New Flesh"

Clearly it's a dialectic dance.

[brainpanhandler]

Apparently Dorner's drivers license was found beside a charred body in the cabin. That's awfully convenient, good thing it didn't burn up...

I'm not following. So Dorner was not in the cabin? Does that mean Dorner is in custody in some dark hole never to be seen or heard from again? Why not just kill him? Alternatively, he's still loose. But pretending to kill him in the cabin doesn't make sense then for obvious reasons.

I don't understand what advantage there would be in capturing him but then pretending to have killed him. Looking for proposed scenarios where that would make sense.

[NaturalMystik]

Your guess is as good as mine. Now granted it was just a radio byte I heard, but it conjured this mental image of a burnt up cabin and body with a pristine looking license lying on the floor beside him. Probably just a red herring, but smells a bit funny.

[brekin]

brainpanhandler wrote:

I'm not following. So Dorner was not in the cabin? Does that mean Dorner is in custody in some dark hole never to be seen or heard from again? Why not just kill him? Alternatively, he's still loose. But pretending to kill him in the cabin doesn't make sense then for obvious reasons.

I don't understand what advantage there would be in capturing him but then pretending to have killed him. Looking for proposed scenarios where that would make sense.

Unless this was all an elaborate way for him to be recruited into a elite squad of intelligence operatives for a secret mission! Watch your back China, Big Bear is coming.

[barracuda]

I thought the authorities had found his wallet and ID in San Diego near the scene of the attempted boat-stealing.

[IanEye]

Watch your back China, Big Bear is coming.

"Don't cry for me, I'm already dead."

[8bitagent]

That's a beyond horrific way to die. Shoot the place up with bullets, fine. But torching...yeah...I'm not comfortable with that.

And yes, I too feel we're getting back to the vibe of Videodrome/They Live/Network/Scanners. No Im not saying the Dorner thing was a black op in the least. I'm just saying looking at the current rapid zeitgeist pulse,
(as Im sure 82_28) points out it's all waving and winking rather faster now. Events don't have to necessary be contrived or connected to feel like the era of something fierce.

Also to whoever pointed it out...



Might as well put Loughner, KSM, Holmes, Lanza, Dorner, Awlaki, etc in these cubes...




(yes, I still maintain Cabin in the Woods is the Ultimate RI movie)

[IanEye]

the timing of the release of the Fort Hood footage is interesting. Both Hasan & Dorner firing on their own and all.

still trying to work out the timing of the Pope's announcement of his retirement on the anniversary of Saint Bernadette's first "Lady of Lourdes" vision and the events of San Bernardino, they kind of sound alike.
Camper van Beethoven came from San Bernardino County, but they sang about the "eye of Fátima", not the lady of Lourdes.

sigh, i should probably just give up keyword hijacking for Lent.



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