Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Simulist]

Okay. Fine. Change your signature line. I told myself that I would copy your previous one... soon. Or, eventually. But it didn't. And now, it's gone. Could you please repost it, so that I can put it in the file I've got for Profound Poetic Reflections on What it is to be Human (PPRWH)? Seriously. Thanks.

Tell me not things past all belief;
One truth in you I prove;
The flame of anger, bright and brief,
Sharpens the barb of Love.

(Walter Savage Landor)

Thank you. I love that.

[Julian the Apostate]

First, he was white and running for his life, according to the gas station attendant of called 911 for him.

Then he was let go because he was not American, according to NBC reports.

Now he is Chinese and he got away because his "brutal and cautious" kidnappers needed to put gas in the car and get snacks at the same time, giving him the opportunity to escape at the risk of being shot on the spot.

We still don't know who he is or what he does for a living.

Every morphing story of truth/agitprop finally evolves into official story.

Do we know the car / license plate? Maybe his identity could be ascertained that way? Just throwing stuff at the wall...

[compared2what?]

But is it the political right who has sought to try and privatize everything, for obvious reasons, if they privatize schools, prisons, the military/security etc, there is no congressional oversight to worry about, so conversely it is in those people's best interest to get people to distrust the govt and trust private enterprise more for that very reason.

They don't need people really to trust private enterprise, per se, I don't think. It works just as well if they opt for self-reliant autonomy, as long as they distrust the government enough to dismantle the parts of it that provide social-safety-net type benefits and protections first. Because unless people stop getting sick and needing to work for a living, after that, it's big private enterprise's show. So they can charge/pay what they want. Trust's not a requirement.

Speaking of the Pauls.

[Hunter]

c2w, yes that about sums it up well.

[Joe Hillshoist]

If I represented the interests of private industry, I'd probably be very pleased about this development. I might even set about to foster it.

In the same week that the Boston bombings happened private enterprise caused an explosion of actual mass destruction that killed 5 times as many people and effectively destroyed a town, all we've heard about is the fucken bombing - I think that also suits private enterprise down to the ground.

[justdrew]

If I represented the interests of private industry, I'd probably be very pleased about this development. I might even set about to foster it.

In the same week that the Boston bombings happened private enterprise caused an explosion of actual mass destruction that killed 5 times as many people and effectively destroyed a town, all we've heard about is the fucken bombing - I think that also suits private enterprise down to the ground.

and that fire and explosion could very well have been used to cover a large theft.

[elfismiles]

Salon / By Alex Seitz-Wald
Tamerlan Tsarnaev Was an Alex Jones Fan

The elder brother and alleged mastermind of the Boston bombings read InfoWars, according to a relative.
April 23, 2013 |

In a bizarre twist befitting a Hollywood conspiracy theory movie, the AP reports today that Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was influenced by conspiracy theories, including Alex Jones’ website InfoWars, which has been pushing a narrative that the Tsarnaev brothers were patsies set up by a government cabal to take the fall for the bombing.

Tamerlan “took an interest in Infowars,” according to Elmirza Khozhugov, the ex-husband of Tamerlan’s sister. He was also apparently interested in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and was trying to find a copy of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” one of the most notorious conspiracy tomes of history.

There’s no doubt that Jones will take this report as confirmation of everything he’s been preaching. The report, he will claim, was planted in the AP — the government controls the media, after all — and is a naked attempt to discredit him and definitive proof that the globalist cabal views him as a serious threat. He was getting too close to the truth in Boston, so the decided to try to take him out. It’ll be a big shot in the arm to Jones’ grand theory of the bombings, which has suffered from an embarrassing lack of evidence and logical consistently . He said the government first planed to the blame the Tea Party, but then was found out and had to switch Plan B — blame Muslim extremists — so with the AP report, Jones will say, the government is trying to return to plan A.

Meanwhile, in the real world, it underscores how dangerous and seductive conspiracy theories can be. The ideology of Al Qeada, which seems to be the primary influence on the Tsarnaev plot, can be seen as a conspiracy theory in itself, which places the United States at the center of all evil in the world. Even the extermination campaigns of the Third Reich were essentially built on a conspiracy theory.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... -jones-fan

Bomb suspect influenced by mysterious radical
By ADAM GOLDMAN, ERIC TUCKER and MATT APUZZO
— Apr. 23 8:47 PM EDT

Boston Marathon-Five Days of Fear


FILE - This combination of undated file photos shows Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, left, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. The FBI says the two brothers are the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing, and are also responsible for killing an MIT police officer, critically injuring a transit officer in a firefight and throwing explosive devices at police during a getaway attempt in a long night of violence that left Tamerlan dead and Dzhokhar captured, late Friday, April 19, 2013. Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev sought to embrace American lives after immigrating from Russia _ joining a boxing club, winning a scholarship and even seeking U.S. citizenship. But their uncle last week angrily called them “losers” who failed to feel settled even after a decade of living in the United States. (AP Photo/The Lowell Sun & Robin Young, File)
Ruslan Tsarni


FILE - In this April 19, 2013, file photo, Ruslan Tsarni, the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombing suspect, speaks with the media outside his home in Montgomery Village in Md. In the years before the Boston Marathon bombings, Tamerlan Tsarnaev fell under the influence of a new friend, a Muslim convert who steered the religiously apathetic young man toward a strict strain of Islam, family members said. "Somehow, he just took his brain," said Tsarni, who recalled conversations with Tamerlan's worried father about the friend of Tamerlan's known only to the family as Misha. (AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana, File)

WASHINGTON (AP) — In the years before the Boston Marathon bombings, Tamerlan Tsarnaev fell under the influence of a new friend, a Muslim convert who steered the religiously apathetic young man toward a strict strain of Islam, family members said.

Under the tutelage of a friend known to the Tsarnaev family only as Misha, Tamerlan gave up boxing and stopped studying music, his family said. He began opposing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He turned to websites and literature claiming that the CIA was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and Jews controlled the world.

"Somehow, he just took his brain," said Tamerlan's uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, who recalled conversations with Tamerlan's worried father about Misha's influence. Efforts over several days by The Associated Press to identify and interview Misha have been unsuccessful.

Tamerlan's relationship with Misha could be a clue in understanding the motives behind his religious transformation and, ultimately, the attack itself. Two U.S. officials say he had no tie to terrorist groups.

Throughout his religious makeover, Tamerlan maintained a strong influence over his siblings, including Dzhokhar, who investigators say carried out the deadly attack by his older brother's side, killing three and injuring 264 people.

"They all loved Tamerlan. He was the eldest one and he, in many ways, was the role model for his sisters and his brother," said Elmirza Khozhugov, 26, the ex-husband of Tamerlan's sister, Ailina. "You could always hear his younger brother and sisters say, 'Tamerlan said this,' and 'Tamerlan said that.' Dzhokhar loved him. He would do whatever Tamerlan would say.

"Even my ex-wife loved him so much and respected him so much," Khozhugov said. "I'd have arguments with her and if Tamerlan took my side, she would agree: 'OK, if Tamerlan said it.'"

Khozhugov said he was close to Tamerlan when he was married and they kept in touch for a while but drifted apart in the past two years or so. He spoke to the AP from his home in Almaty, Kazakhstan. A family member in the United States provided the contact information.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed in a police shootout Friday. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was charged Monday with using a weapon of mass destruction to kill, and he could face the death penalty if convicted.

"Of course I was shocked and surprised that he was Suspect No. 1," Khozhugov said, recalling the days after the bombing when the FBI identified Tamerlan as the primary suspect. "But after a few hours of thinking about it, I thought it could be possible that he did it."

Based on preliminary written interviews with Dzhokar in his hospital bed, U.S. officials believe the brothers were motivated by their religious views. It has not been clear, however, what those views were.

As authorities try to piece together that information, they are touching on a question asked after so many terrorist plots: What turns someone into a terrorist?

The brothers emigrated in 2002 or 2003 from Dagestan, a Russian republic that has become an epicenter of the Islamic insurgency that spilled over from the region of Chechnya.

They were raised in a home that followed Sunni Islam, the religion's largest sect. They were not regulars at the mosque and rarely discussed religion, Khozhugov said.

Then, in 2008 or 2009, Tamerlan met Misha, a slightly older, heavyset bald man with a long reddish beard. Khozhugov didn't know where they'd met but believed they attended a Boston-area mosque together. Misha was an Armenian native and a convert to Islam and quickly began influencing his new friend, family members said.

Once, Khozhugov said, Misha came to the family home outside Boston and sat in the kitchen, chatting with Tamerlan for hours.

"Misha was telling him what is Islam, what is good in Islam, what is bad in Islam," said Khozhugov, who said he was present for the conversation. "This is the best religion and that's it. Mohammed said this and Mohammed said that."

The conversation continued until Tamerlan's father, Anzor, came home from work.

"It was late, like midnight," Khozhugov said. "His father comes in and says, 'Why is Misha here so late and still in our house?' He asked it politely. Tamerlan was so much into the conversation he didn't listen."

Khozhugov said Tamerlan's mother, Zubeidat, told him not to worry.

"'Don't interrupt them,'" Khozhugov recalled the mother saying. "'They're talking about religion and good things. Misha is teaching him to be good and nice.'"

As time went on, Tamerlan and his father argued about the young man's new beliefs.

"When Misha would start talking, Tamerlan would stop talking and listen. It upset his father because Tamerlan wouldn't listen to him as much," Khozhugov said. "He would listen to this guy from the mosque who was preaching to him."

Anzor became so concerned that he called his brother, worried about Misha's effects.

"I heard about nobody else but this convert," Tsarni said. "The seed for changing his views was planted right there in Cambridge."

It was not immediately clear whether the FBI has spoken to Misha or was attempting to.

Tsarnaev became an ardent reader of jihadist websites and extremist propaganda, two U.S. officials said. He read Inspire magazine, an English-language online publication produced by al-Qaida's Yemen affiliate.

Tamerlan loved music and, a few years ago, he sent Khozhugov a song he'd composed in English and Russian. He said he was about to start music school.

Six weeks later, the two men spoke on the phone. Khozhugov asked how school was going.

"I quit," Tamerlan said.

"Why did you quit?" Khozhugov asked. "You just started."

"Music is not really supported in Islam," he replied.

"Who told you that?"

"Misha said it's not really good to create music. It's not really good to listen to music," Tamerlan said, according to Khozhugov.

Tamerlan took an interest in Infowars, a conspiracy theory website. Khozhugov said Tamerlan was interested in finding a copy of the book "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the classic anti-Semitic hoax, first published in Russia in 1903, that claims a Jewish plot to take over the world.

"He never said he hated America or he hated the Jews," Khozhugov said. "But he was fairly aggressive toward the policies of the U.S. toward countries with Muslim populations. He disliked the wars."

One of the brothers' neighbors, Albrecht Ammon, recently recalled an encounter in which Tamerlan argued about U.S. foreign policy, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and religion.

Ammon said Tamerlan described the Bible as a "cheap copy" of the Quran, used to justify wars with other countries.

"He had nothing against the American people," Ammon said. "He had something against the American government."

Khozhugov said Tamerlan did not know much about Islam beyond what he found online or what he heard from Misha.

"Misha was important," he said. "Tamerlan was searching for something. He was searching for something out there."

___

Associated Press writers Lara Jakes and Eileen Sullivan contributed to this report.

___

AP's Washington investigative team can be reached at DCinvestigations(at)ap.org

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bomb-sus ... us-radical

[elfismiles]

John Glaser's latest RT spot


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg90thiVzA8

Boston bombing suspect 'cites US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as impetus for attacks'
RT talks to John Glaser, Editor at Antiwar.com
youtube.com

[Hunter]

I want to know more about the Saudi national that was going to be deported, I recall a few days after the bombings there was a bomb scare at the court house and the was the same day the Saudi national was apprehended, some say the bomb scare at the CH was a ruse to get him in to a courtroom. But then suddenly there is a big meeting with Obama and Saudi representitives (what sort of person gets that sort of treatment) and then the story is dropped and I guess the kid isnt deported.

What do we know about this person?

[KeenInsight]

I want to know more about the Saudi national that was going to be deported, I recall a few days after the bombings there was a bomb scare at the court house and the was the same day the Saudi national was apprehended, some say the bomb scare at the CH was a ruse to get him in to a courtroom. But then suddenly there is a big meeting with Obama and Saudi representitives (what sort of person gets that sort of treatment) and then the story is dropped and I guess the kid isnt deported.

What do we know about this person?

There are now reports that it was only a "rumor."

Its on the Hush Hush now. Swept under the rug. The guy was probably shot in the head and dumped in a river, or not, whatever they do.

Time for America to wake up.

[KeenInsight]

Salon / By Alex Seitz-Wald
Tamerlan Tsarnaev Was an Alex Jones Fan

The elder brother and alleged mastermind of the Boston bombings read InfoWars, according to a relative.
April 23, 2013 |

In a bizarre twist befitting a Hollywood conspiracy theory movie, the AP reports today that Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was influenced by conspiracy theories, including Alex Jones’ website InfoWars, which has been pushing a narrative that the Tsarnaev brothers were patsies set up by a government cabal to take the fall for the bombing.

Tamerlan “took an interest in Infowars,” according to Elmirza Khozhugov, the ex-husband of Tamerlan’s sister. He was also apparently interested in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and was trying to find a copy of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” one of the most notorious conspiracy tomes of history.

There’s no doubt that Jones will take this report as confirmation of everything he’s been preaching. The report, he will claim, was planted in the AP — the government controls the media, after all — and is a naked attempt to discredit him and definitive proof that the globalist cabal views him as a serious threat. He was getting too close to the truth in Boston, so the decided to try to take him out. It’ll be a big shot in the arm to Jones’ grand theory of the bombings, which has suffered from an embarrassing lack of evidence and logical consistently . He said the government first planed to the blame the Tea Party, but then was found out and had to switch Plan B — blame Muslim extremists — so with the AP report, Jones will say, the government is trying to return to plan A.

Meanwhile, in the real world, it underscores how dangerous and seductive conspiracy theories can be. The ideology of Al Qeada, which seems to be the primary influence on the Tsarnaev plot, can be seen as a conspiracy theory in itself, which places the United States at the center of all evil in the world. Even the extermination campaigns of the Third Reich were essentially built on a conspiracy theory.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... -jones-fan

I haven't read Alex Jones in quite some time. I figure him for controlled opposition. He's very obnoxious, I'll give him that much..

In any case, this is a perfect frame up if this is the angle the government will go with "gleaning" evidence. They can so , "Oh a Terrorist was inspired by conspiracy theories," or oh "They were inspired by Anti-War," so that means any real investigators can be subjected to more ridicule, as the government covers up more shit. Anti-War = Terrorism.

The Nazi Propaganda Arm of the Pentagon is in full swing ladies and gentlemen.

They can keep pushing back the JFK Files all they want. I know someone(s) government hands are still dirty. They can lie, cheat, and take away Liberty, but they can't take away the Truth or the Idea of Liberty.

[8bitagent]

Wow, fuck you Alternet. Conflating "al Qaeda"(as well as the goldstein legend of al Qaeda) with interest in conspiracy theories. Nice.

how dangerous and seductive conspiracy theories can be. The ideology of Al Qeada, which seems to be the primary influence on the Tsarnaev plot, can be seen as a conspiracy theory

[/quote]

He's right, but in the way he intended. Al Qaeda IS a conspiracy theory. A stirred up if not often controlled proxy box of wind up toys for cross cultural corporate interests.

[8bitagent]

John Glaser's latest RT spot


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg90thiVzA8

Boston bombing suspect 'cites US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as impetus for attacks'
RT talks to John Glaser, Editor at Antiwar.com
youtube.com

Wait, so he was into both conspiracy theories AND anti war beliefs? Oh well that does it. Case closed.

Some thought this attack was to blame "right wing tea partiers"...looks like it's the perfect event for all forms of right wing scoundrels and right winger hawks who masquerade as "progressives"

[Hunter]

This sort of shit just makes me sick

Bloomberg Says Interpretation of Constitution Will ‘Have to Change’ After Boston Bombing

http://politicker.com/2013/04/bloomb...ave-to-change/



In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday the country’s interpretation of the Constitution will “have to change” to allow for greater security to stave off future attacks.

“The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a press conference in Midtown. “But we live in a complex world where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.”

Mr. Bloomberg, who has come under fire for the N.Y.P.D.’s monitoring of Muslim communities and other aggressive tactics, said the rest of the country needs to learn from the attacks.

[8bitagent]

This sort of shit just makes me sick

Bloomberg Says Interpretation of Constitution Will ‘Have to Change’ After Boston Bombing

http://politicker.com/2013/04/bloomb...ave-to-change/



In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday the country’s interpretation of the Constitution will “have to change” to allow for greater security to stave off future attacks.

“The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a press conference in Midtown. “But we live in a complex world where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.”

Mr. Bloomberg, who has come under fire for the N.Y.P.D.’s monitoring of Muslim communities and other aggressive tactics, said the rest of the country needs to learn from the attacks.

As we've all thought, imagine if something much larger(or widespread on a regular basis...Beslan/Mumbai/Bhutto assassination styled events/cartel violence) were to transpire in America?
If a part of a state can be completely shut down and put into a 24 hour martial law over 1/1000th a 9/11 attack, imagine if some really big ugly stuff went down?