David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[Canadian_watcher]

How can I ask this question without getting tarred and feathered? I wonder to myself. Rattling around in my head is a theory and it's been there a while, but because it involves one of the most taboo topics of my lifetime (and no doubt a generation or so before I was born, too) I am hesitant to ask it.

What is courage if it isn't doing something you think is right even if you fear it? a voice reminds me, Courage is important.

I respond: Yes, surely. But this venue is more or less meaningless and at the same time what I type here is permanent. One day this might be used against me the way a clumsy phrase is used against every single person who ever tried to do good in the world.

The voice is silent. There is no more to say. I must either put it out there and hope that I will not be as imprecise as I fear I might be, or I keep quiet.

So here's the question:

Why, on November 11th every single year, are school children as young as 7 years old forced to watch films of Hitler's heinous acts. Why must they see footage of emaciated bodies lined up at fences and being herded onto trains and then, in the final horror, see their corpses being piled into ditches?

Is it because this was an act so egregious that no other leader anywhere, ever, has created that type of hell on earth? Is it because that war ended the practice of racial/ethnic/religious discrimination once and for all? Is it because the West used inordinate force in that war and we feel we still need to justify it?

No. None of those are true.

So why? Why?

[American Dream]

How can I ask this question without getting tarred and feathered? I wonder to myself. Rattling around in my head is a theory and it's been there a while, but because it involves one of the most taboo topics of my lifetime (and no doubt a generation or so before I was born, too) I am hesitant to ask it.

What is courage if it isn't doing something you think is right even if you fear it? a voice reminds me, Courage is important.

I respond: Yes, surely. But this venue is more or less meaningless and at the same time what I type here is permanent. One day this might be used against me the way a clumsy phrase is used against every single person who ever tried to do good in the world.

The voice is silent. There is no more to say. I must either put it out there and hope that I will not be as imprecise as I fear I might be, or I keep quiet.

So here's the question:

Why, on November 11th every single year, are school children as young as 7 years old forced to watch films of Hitler's heinous acts. Why must they see footage of emaciated bodies lined up at fences and being herded onto trains and then, in the final horror, see their corpses being piled into ditches?

Is it because this was an act so egregious that no other leader anywhere, ever, has created that type of hell on earth? Is it because that war ended the practice of racial/ethnic/religious discrimination once and for all? Is it because the West used inordinate force in that war and we feel we still need to justify it?

No. None of those are true.

So why? Why?

Well sure, it's a selectively woven narrative that reinforces support for the State, for Western hegemony and of course for the Israeli occupation.

Human Rights, anti-Racism and the liberation of oppressed peoples as universal principles are very far from their central concerns.

Still, this doesn't prove David Icke's "Rothschild Zionism" nonsense- not in the slightest...




Edit: Corrected capitalization errors

[82_28]

Sooooo. Have we established yet that nobody here believes in Alien Human Hybrids and possibly nobody on Earth at this time does either?

I thought not.

So they exist, are my findings. In fact, I think they are breeding at this very moment by the entrails RI members know so well.

I just want to see proof that Mr. Bilderberg isn't one so I can carry on with life. I don't just need proof of this, but demand it. Otherwise, you're gonna put me on anti-psychotics again.

[Canadian_watcher]

Well sure, it's a selectively woven narrative that reinforces support for the State, for Western Hegemony and of course for the Israeli Occupation.

Human Rights, anti-Racism and the liberation of oppressed peoples as universal principles are very far from their central concerns.

Still, this doesn't prove David Icke's "Rothschild Zionism" nonsense- not in the slightest...

Sure, that's absolutely right.

It's brainwashing though. It is 'thought stopping' though. And it is systematic, government sanctioned. Isn't that more worthy of your ire than Icke's (imagined) 'danger?'

[American Dream]

Well sure, it's a selectively woven narrative that reinforces support for the State, for Western Hegemony and of course for the Israeli Occupation.

Human Rights, anti-Racism and the liberation of oppressed peoples as universal principles are very far from their central concerns.

Still, this doesn't prove David Icke's "Rothschild Zionism" nonsense- not in the slightest...

Sure, that's absolutely right.

It's brainwashing though. It is 'thought stopping' though. And it is systematic, government sanctioned. Isn't that more worthy of your ire than Icke's (imagined) 'danger?'

Do two wrongs ever make a right?

And is the tale woven by Icke regarding Rothschild Zionism is anything other than vile racism and completely misleading politics at its core?

[Canadian_watcher]

Well sure, it's a selectively woven narrative that reinforces support for the State, for Western Hegemony and of course for the Israeli Occupation.

Human Rights, anti-Racism and the liberation of oppressed peoples as universal principles are very far from their central concerns.

Still, this doesn't prove David Icke's "Rothschild Zionism" nonsense- not in the slightest...

Sure, that's absolutely right.

It's brainwashing though. It is 'thought stopping' though. And it is systematic, government sanctioned. Isn't that more worthy of your ire than Icke's (imagined) 'danger?'

Do two wrongs ever make a right?

And is the tale woven by Icke regarding Rothschild Zionism is anything other than vile racism and completely misleading politics at its core?

Well I've said a bucketful of times already that I don't see Icke's work as 'vile racism' at all.
But you're avoiding the direct question I asked you. Skirting the issue.

[82_28]

AD, Icke is the least of your worries. What draws me to this thread repeatedly is that I don't get what the fucking point of it is. Most of us, most of the global populace wouldn't even know were it not for his "detractors" and "skeptics". Anti-Icke people need to think "outside the box". The dude wouldn't even exist were it not for your tireless work in shining the light on shit nobody believes just upon contact with it.

[Canadian_watcher]

AD, Icke is the least of your worries. What draws me to this thread repeatedly is that I don't get what the fucking point of it is. Most of us, most of the global populace wouldn't even know were it not for his "detractors" and "skeptics". Anti-Icke people need to think "outside the box". The dude wouldn't even exist were it not for your tireless work in shining the light on shit nobody believes just upon contact with it.

that's totally true. I only ever saw mention of icke along sidebars in other sites and it was always something like the articles I've seen AD post - bashing the shit out of him. And for a long time I hesitated to look closely at what Icke had to say, thinking that surely ALL these people couldn't be wrong and the man was indeed a fucking mental case Jew hater.

But then I did. Because there was so much hate that I had to see what the fuss was about. I was stunned to find what I did find when I finally gave Icke a chance.

it's kinda making me really curious about Ernst Zundel, too, to be honest. I've never read a word the man has said but now I want to.

[American Dream]

AD, Icke is the least of your worries. What draws me to this thread repeatedly is that I don't get what the fucking point of it is. Most of us, most of the global populace wouldn't even know were it not for his "detractors" and "skeptics". Anti-Icke people need to think "outside the box". The dude wouldn't even exist were it not for your tireless work in shining the light on shit nobody believes just upon contact with it.

that's totally true. I only ever saw mention of icke along sidebars in other sites and it was always something like the articles I've seen AD post - bashing the shit out of him. And for a long time I hesitated to look closely at what Icke had to say, thinking that surely ALL these people couldn't be wrong and the man was indeed a fucking mental case Jew hater.

But then I did. Because there was so much hate that I had to see what the fuss was about. I was stunned to find what I did find when I finally gave Icke a chance.

it's kinda making me really curious about Ernst Zundel, too, to be honest. I've never read a word the man has said but now I want to.

Icke is, more than anything, the canary in the coal mine. He shows us that something is very toxic indeed within conspiracy culture.

Cw, I'm sorry to say that what I hear as your position that Rothschild Zionism theory is not racist and that the teaching of the Nazi Holocaust is the real danger shows how pernicious and compelling some of those problems actually are...

[Canadian_watcher]

well that's bogus because they can teach about the Second World War Holocaust without traumatizing little kids. And you know it.
They don't bother to traumatize little kids about the Native populations that were decimated, for one example and yet they teach about the colonization of America.

They also don't teach children about Palestine. At all.

[Searcher08]

Do two wrongs ever make a right?
And is the tale woven by Icke regarding Rothschild Zionism is anything other than vile racism and completely misleading politics at its core?

The people who dont sign your pledge of dissociation from all things Icke are smeared as racists and Holocaust Deniers, after all asserting one is NOT a racist, Holocaust Denier is a typical trope used by the far right.

One's very denial provides further evidence of one's guilt.

This is the logic of the ducking stool in Elizabethan England.
Step 1 Tie the woman accused of being a witch to the end of a long plank that extends over a river.
Step 2 Submerge her repeatedly
Step 3
IF woman survives = Proof that she is a Witch => Burn her at the stake
IF woman drowns = Proof that she is NOT a witch.

Question: How can the woman survive?

[82_28]

Yeah, CW. That's very true. I wouldn't even know of this scrub were it not for the "skeptics". I would have never noticed because it's all immaterial. But, I find the phenomenon fascinating in much the same way I find religious fundamentalism and giving your all to either prove to people you're right or disprove to people other people are wrong. Fuck you all. Treat people kindly, pray when they pray and be done with it. Show respect.

It's like that scene in The Temple of Doom when they're chilling with the Potempkin cast and Indy says to Willie "Eat it, you're offending them." I tried to find a clip of that scene, but couldn't find one.

Life is difficult, but it's also meant to be lived.

[82_28]

AD, I consider myself part of this "conspiracy culture" and get shit for it regularly. But I'm also real and just normal. I trust all and distrust all. I use my own mind and glean what I can from others. I'll always be a friend to everyone, but I'll also say bullshit when necessary. My doors are literally unlocked all the time and in a big city. If you said you were coming to town, I would say I'm probably not there, but go on in. I trust your humanity and trust that you are kind. It's not a crazy shit show when you open up a bit of space for everything deleting anything evil.

[slimmouse]

that's totally true. I only ever saw mention of icke along sidebars in other sites and it was always something like the articles I've seen AD post - bashing the shit out of him. And for a long time I hesitated to look closely at what Icke had to say, thinking that surely ALL these people couldn't be wrong and the man was indeed a fucking mental case Jew hater.

But then I did. Because there was so much hate that I had to see what the fuss was about. I was stunned to find what I did find when I finally gave Icke a chance.

Its funny you should say that CW, Im sure the NSA or their respectively farmed out subcontractors would be able to highlight in an instance, where Ive previously explained in exactly the same way how I came about Icke also.

I refused to read the man for about 4 years because of the Orgainisation of Anti-Ickeism brigade spouting vile malicious nonsense abot how racist Icke was. And of course when I did, I had the same reaction as you. I guiess we all get there in the end, one way or another.

Kinda made me feel that he's a dangerous man to the control system, which as you have yet again illustrated is, without challenge, going to be telling any children we may have and love that this is how it is, in all of its Randian glory. This time is one where we tell these people where to stick it, or live in a world where the individual human spirit is cajoled into a tiny little compartment and told to get on with the programme.

It truly is that simple. As frustrating as all that is, It gets worse for people like myself, because Im sure I know how much easier and more of a real adventure life could be.

Meanwhile, whilst I would like to acknowledge the sheer industry of the President of the Organisation of Anti - Ickeism for his complicity in the ongoing accomplishment of one of the major overiding objectives of the control system , I would have to also admit, that I suspect even the President himself as very much of an unwitting advocate in the overall process.

Rise Like Lions After Slumber , in unvanquishable number – Shake your chains to earth like dew , which in sleep had fallen on you , We are many – They are few !

We all need to get that PDQ.

Life is difficult, but it's also meant to be lived

Wonderful reminder 82_28, in the spirit of which, Im off out for a refreshment. Thanks

[Mason I Bilderberg]

oh darn it, there's more.

But Icke's belief system is patently simple. (It's all the lizard's fault!) It's just extremely attractive (guilt free scapegoating evil nonhuman minority) ....

Hold up!
I distinctly remember from the OP video (and just went and checked) - one of the MAIN methods of Madman Icke is that he induces guilt. I believe the exact graphic from the video is:

There is belief (lizard people run the world) and there is methods of teaching the belief.