What is a globalist? The working definition thread

[American Dream]

It sounds to me like "globalist" is just a very sloppy term representing very sloppy thinking about the power elite- as conflated with Neoliberalism and counterposed to those thoughtful and balanced nationalists who hate refugees, people of color, jews, muslims, leftists, feminists and queers, mostly...

[Sounder]

yes, yes, I see, very sloppy, very sloppy.

So how would you characterize the power-elite?

[semper occultus]

[Luther Blissett]

Luther Blissett wrote...

I am all for the abolition of borders

Does that not then lend yourself to being prone to manipulation by nation destabilizing propaganda?

An enabler for NED style imperial programs?

but I think at the same time I'm all for the abolition of money too.

So what happens along the way? How will the underground economy fare if cash were to be phased out, for instance?
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I do think that belief in or aspiration towards a borderless, stateless, moneyless world is one that is fraught of course, but is a matter of peace-oriented, egalitarian, people-powered, collectivist approach. I might be wrong but I think this is the jump that AD is making since I don't want to insult anyone's intelligence here either. The approach or belief is definitely at risk for manipulation by power and force, but with the ever-increasing democratization of communication (people can't even be fooled about socialism anymore, something I never expected to see - it's almost like a very low-key kundalini awakening) the average human is becoming quite adept at analytics, parsing motives, and real ethics.

I don't believe The Atlantic is actually down with some Star Trek-style post-capitalist utopia like I am, but hey, they might be for all I know.

"The Revolution" is something we're just trying to figure out, and everyone has a different idea about it. I am thankful for my community which is doing real futurist grassroots preparatory and slow work towards figuring it out, and I fully trust in the approaches. I hope it spreads.

Some people want collapse, some people even see revolution predicated upon the need for a reactionary fascist government rounding up all the leftists like a Dirty War to act first, something I see as unrealistic and unnecessary. I prefer the long constructive approach that also contains a few systems and failsafes in the case of a rapid collapse or external revolutionary eruption whether reactionary or populist.

I think elements of the underground economy could potentially transition the easiest and safest. I trade design work for all kinds of barter all the time, though bartering is just another economy and something else I think is unnecessary with the dual myths of scarcity and incentive. I also donate design work, sometimes completely anonymously when it is for the social good. Book libraries, tool libraries, specifically-designated "free libraries", seed libraries, cooperative daycares, guerrilla gardens, street art, food swaps, and bike shares already can and do operate for free.

Without global capitalism on the surface, I don't see the need for a black market to necessarily exist. I already get my weed for free.

[Sounder]

I do think that belief in or aspiration towards a borderless, stateless, moneyless world is one that is fraught of course, but is a matter of peace-oriented, egalitarian, people-powered, collectivist approach. I might be wrong but I think this is the jump that AD is making since I don't want to insult anyone's intelligence here either.

I don't get this. Are you suggesting that AD makes this jump? Because from where I sit he seem to care about nothing but making others into enemies.

And what about the suffering going on right now, caused by elements that also call for a stateless world. Do you support color revolutions Luther?

I already get my weed for free.

That is great for you, most of my bros in the hood pay extortion money for their weed.

[American Dream]

When I mentioned You can't blow up a social relationship, I was referring first and foremost to the idea that, while there is a place for identifying bad actors, by itself that is not nearly enough, as we have institutions which replicate themselves, above and beyond a given individual.

Understanding this does not mean uncritical support of the State, of old school Capitalism, of Whiteness, Ethnonationalism, Patriarchy, Heterosexism or other such "traditions".

Whether or not, we have any sort of meaningful revolution in sight, social struggle is inescapable, and the people peddling "Traditionalism", "The White Ethno-State" and the like, are shilling for a bogus alternative that can not bear good fruit.

[backtoiam]

If globalist means a proponent of Globalization then this suggests Neoliberalism as the defining principle, as that is the doctrine which uses the "Globalization" as it's PR term.

If so, does it mean everyone who buys into Neoliberalism, and/or maybe just the owning class and it's top managers?

If so, how does one reconcile the fact that such elites are not a monolithic bloc in terms of values and agenda?

Globalization overlaps Neoliberalism but is not exactly the same.

Neoliberalism may well be the hegemonic doctrine of our time but it is not synonymous with "power elite"- there is much more complexity in our world than that.

holy fuck, i wish i was smart enough to understand that but i'm not...

[JackRiddler]

If you are not being disingenuous, and you really don't get something that simple, maybe you should stop wasting everyone else's time by posting here. You could constructively go educate yourself about history, politics and political economy by reading actual books for a few years.

[jakell]

I think the confusion comes from the contrast between AD's posting of rather vanilla pieces like the above, which seem designed to attract broad agreement, and his actual behaviour over the last few years which seems to consist of being barely present (behind the copypasta that is).

This indeed seems a change of direction but it remains to be seen whether it will turn into something sustainable and/or creative.

[Luther Blissett]

I do think that belief in or aspiration towards a borderless, stateless, moneyless world is one that is fraught of course, but is a matter of peace-oriented, egalitarian, people-powered, collectivist approach. I might be wrong but I think this is the jump that AD is making since I don't want to insult anyone's intelligence here either.

I don't get this. Are you suggesting that AD makes this jump? Because from where I sit he seem to care about nothing but making others into enemies.

And what about the suffering going on right now, caused by elements that also call for a stateless world. Do you support color revolutions Luther?

I already get my weed for free.

That is great for you, most of my bros in the hood pay extortion money for their weed.

I respect any peoples' wish to resist their oppressors though non-violent civil disobedience if that's how the revolution started. I obviously wouldn't support one power faction wielding a group of people as a weapon to be used against another power faction.

Sometimes that's a little difficult to gain perspective on if you're in it and your hand isn't being greased directly, but I think that revolutionaries need to stay philosophically grounded in practice and action and remain vigilant of outside influences trying to impress upon them any sort of undue weight.

[Joe Hillshoist]

If you buy cheap shit from overseas you're a globalist.

Whether this is good or bad ... well I guess it depends on the circumstances.

[Joe Hillshoist]

SLADs post on P1 is well worth reading too tho it'll take a while to fully digest.

[kool maudit]

If you buy cheap shit from overseas you're a globalist.

Whether this is good or bad ... well I guess it depends on the circumstances.

If you are someone who thinks that many of the trends that characterise industrial society are dangerous, it can be useful to take a look at colour photos from the 1930s and '40s such as those found in the Charles Cushman collection.

Look at their clothing (home-made), their kitchen materials (glass, wood and stamped metal), their furniture (non-disposable) and so on. It is a visual model for the elimination of toxic materials and practices in one's own life.

[Iamwhomiam]

Oh, we'll get there soon enough, kool maudit.

[backtoiam]

american dream wrote:

It sounds to me like "globalist" is just a very sloppy term representing very sloppy thinking about the power elite- as conflated with Neoliberalism and counterposed to those thoughtful and balanced nationalists who hate refugees, people of color, jews, muslims, leftists, feminists and queers, mostly...

I think I have just about heard it all now. People that don't want to be bombed or starved out of their homes, neighborhoods, or country, or think it is wrong to bomb other people out of their homes, and be forced to "migrate", or flee, or be a refugee, or whatever you want to call it, hate these refugees, people of color, jews, muslims, leftists, feminists and queers, mostly...

What an enormous crock of bullshit that is. What a waste of good oxygen molecules....people that love their neighborhood or country and don't want it bombed into the stone age are thought criminals. What will you come up with next?

edited for my normal typing flaws....