So Is Obummer Going To Pardon Manning Or What?

[seemslikeadream]

we shall see if Assange has anything on Trump in the near future once he finds out he's in line for the trumpdump

[PufPuf93]

And Trump, who has an opinion about everything, has remained silent on Manning's commutation.

Damned if he tweets and damned if he don't tweet.

The main thing to remember is that it was Obama who put Manning in that dungeon for seven years, and who is leaving her in there for another four months.

Assange: Manning Commutation Doesn’t Meet My Extradition Offer
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... ce=copyurl

Good.

Agree.

The issue of Manning has nothing to do with Trump unless Trump makes it so now.

May Trump and his minions stand down on the issue of Manning and let her go in peace.

[brekin]

Once he got his own show on RT I think he discredited himself with the left (or at least the smart left).
The World Tomorrow (Or Good Morning Moscow) was a bridge too far.

How does that reflect on his guests? Chomsky? Zizek? Tariq Ali?

That they are vain. They are willing to sell their wares on Putin's Home Chopping Network to get a little visibility when YouTube is wide open.

I disagree with this opinion.
Some valid voices in the USA and West in general would not have been heard without the podium provided by RT.
The issue is not so black and white.
Be wary of attacking the messenger and the means of messaging over the content especially when the content is suppressed because it does not reflect well or support the goals of the deep state.

Well what is bad for the US Deep State may be good for the Russian Deep State.
And what is good for the US Deep State may be bad for the Russian Deep State.
And what is good for the US Deep State may be good for the Russian Deep State.
And what is bad for the US Deep State may be bad for the Russian Deep State.

So, not so black and white. More like black, white and at least two shades of grey.
And if Stalin let's Paul Robeson, Emma Goldman, & John Reed speak on The Red Hour Hootenanny, that's great.
But obviously you aren't going to get the whole truth, but just the bit that hurts the US. (The US being more than the 1000 powerbrokers and talking heads but includes millions of people who don't want to slaughter innocents.)

[PufPuf93]

Perhaps the wants and goals of the USA and Russia Deep States overlap.

Perhaps the USA and Russia Deep States themselves overlap.

This is easy for me to wrap my head around

Just like there are domestic segments of the Deep State, there are international segments as well.

There may be a trend for a New One World Order that looks the same or similar in form and function but it is a matter of who of competing factions is at the helm and comprises the network.

[brekin]

Perhaps the wants and goals of the USA and Russia Deep States overlap.
Perhaps the USA and Russia Deep States themselves overlap.
This is easy for me to wrap my head around
Just like there are domestic segments of the Deep State, there are international segments as well.
There may be a trend for a New One World Order that looks the same or similar in form and function but it is a matter of who of competing factions is at the helm and comprises the network.

I'm sure various components do to varying degrees. Some configurations probably benefit certain members of either side, of certain camps, more than others. And others have to make a lot of plutocrats and kleptocrats on both sides very happy. It's a tricky wicked rubik's cube of evil with a lot of arrangements, but I don't think either side is rooting for Chomsky seriously. The cenobites seem to be all agreed on Oil, Lawyers, Guns and Money though.





Warren Zevon - Lawyers, Guns and Money

I went home with the waitress
the way I always do
How was I to know
she was with the
Russians too?

I was gambling in Havana
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money
Dad, get me out of this, hah!

I'm the innocent bystander
Somehow I got stuck
between the rock
and a hard place
and I'm down on my luck
Yes I'm down on my luck
Well I'm down on my luck

I'm hiding in Honduras
I'm a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns and money
the shit has hit the fan

All right
Send lawyers, guns and money
Huh!
Uhh!
Send lawyers, guns and money
Uhh!
Send lawyers, guns and money
Hyah!
Send lawyers, guns and money
Ooh!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Uh!

[PufPuf93]

Thanks Brekin.

Agree about Chomsky.

Believe it or not I had to search on cenobites, a new term to me, as I have never read any Clive Barker works nor seem associated comics nor films.

Apt descriptive term.

I am not sure there is a cure for the situation without a great decrease in human population and a great change in human understanding of themselves, their role in life, and human culture as a species, and inner world of individuals. Pretty all encompassing.

Lawyers, guns, and money. Why I am an escapist.

[Cordelia]

I hope & pray she's treated humanely, between now and May 17 in prison, and w/respect & dignity when she's released.

[Elvis]

Some valid voices in the USA and West in general would not have been heard without the podium provided by RT.

The issue is not so black and white.

Valid voices not least to include Assange himself.


"Hillary good. Establishment good. Sanders bad. Assange bad. Marijuana bad. Status quo good." Mom? Is that you?

[American Dream]

Jesse Lee Peterson: Obama Commuted Chelsea Manning’s Sentence Because He Has A ‘Weakness’ For Gay And Transgender People

[Pele'sDaughter]

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/1/18/ ... lemency_by

The Office of the Pardon Attorney has announced President Obama has denied clemency to imprisoned Native American activist Leonard Peltier. Peltier is a former member of the American Indian Movement who was convicted of killing two FBI agents during a shootout on South Dakota’s Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in 1975. He has long maintained his innocence.

Amnesty International condemned the decision.

“We are deeply saddened by the news that President Obama will not let Leonard go home,” said Margaret Huang, executive director of Amnesty International USA. “Despite serious concerns about the fairness of legal proceedings that led to his trial and conviction, Peltier was imprisoned for more than 40 years. He has always maintained his innocence. The families of the FBI agents who were killed during the 1975 confrontation between the FBI and American Indian Movement (AIM) members have a right to justice, but justice will not be served by Peltier’s continued imprisonment.”

Peltier’s attorney Martin Garbus appeared on Democracy Now! today.

"I think it’s fair to say that if he doesn’t get commuted by President Obama, he’ll die in jail. He’s a very sick man," Garbus said. "So, Obama’s not granting him clemency is like a sentence of death. Trump ain’t going to do it. And he’s very sick, and he’s not going to live past that time. I don’t want to be negative, but that’s the reality. He’s very sick, and he’s been in prison over 40 years, hard years, six years of solitary."

Garbus was notified of Obama’s decision earlier today. In an email, the Office of the Pardon Attorney wrote: "The application for commutation of sentence of your client, Mr. Leonard Peltier, was carefully considered in this Department and the White House, and the decision was reached that favorable action is not warranted. Your client’s application was therefore denied by the President on January 18, 2017... Under the Constitution, there is no appeal from this decision."

(more at the link)

[Pele'sDaughter]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/75b9218a ... a-governor

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — President Barack Obama has denied a clemency petition from former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, who is nearing the end of a prison sentence for bribery and obstruction of justice.

Attorneys for the former governor were informed of the decision Thursday in a letter from the Department of Justice office of the pardon attorney. The letter did not list a reason for the denial.

The 70-year-old Democrat is serving a 6½ year sentence for bribery and obstruction of justice in a federal prison in Louisiana.

The decision was a blow to supporters who had long hoped the president would free the incarcerated governor as one of his final acts in office. Siegelman's attorney, Gregory B. Craig, and the ex-governor's son, Joseph Siegelman, did not immediately respond to emailed requests for comment.

The federal Bureau of Prisons lists the former governor's projected release date as Aug. 8, 2017. However, he could be released sooner to house arrest. Siegelman told supporters in November that his earliest possible release date was Feb. 8.

Siegelman wrote in a letter to supporters that, "I am at peace with whatever the President chooses to do in my case."

A federal jury in 2006 convicted Siegelman on charges that he sold a seat on a state regulatory board to HealthSouth founder Richard Scrushy in exchange for $500,000 in donations to Siegelman's signature political issue — his 1999 campaign to establish a state lottery. He was convicted on a separate obstruction of justice charge that he tried to hide money he received from a lobbyist.

Appellate courts have upheld the convictions. Siegelman has maintained he is innocent.

Siegelman for decades was a dominating figure in Alabama politics, holding the offices of secretary of state, attorney general, lieutenant governor and governor. He served as Alabama's governor from 1999 to 2003. He was the last Democrat to hold the position in the deeply red state.

[brekin]

Some valid voices in the USA and West in general would not have been heard without the podium provided by RT.

The issue is not so black and white.

Valid voices not least to include Assange himself.
"Hillary good. Establishment good. Sanders bad. Assange bad. Marijuana bad. Status quo good." Mom? Is that you?

And reversing it, it is still not black and white?
"Hillary bad. Establishment bad. Sanders good. Assange good. Marjuana good. Status quo bad." Elvis? Is that you?

& more flippity flopping on the line.
Like, I'll come on in man, but I want a Red Lobster dinner with Beyonce and all my charges dropped to, mmkay?:

Assange: I'll keep my promise to go to the US
The WikiLeaks founder wants the US Department of Justice to make public any charges or extradition order against him.

Will he or won't he?

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said Thursday he would keep his word and come to the US. But the transparency activist has some conditions for the US Department of Justice.
"I look forward to having a conversation with the DOJ about what the correct way forward is," Assange said in a press conference broadcast over Periscope, adding that he wants the Justice Department to either drop any charges against him, or unseal any extradition orders or charges it's keeping confidential.
...

https://www.cnet.com/news/julian-assang ... ome-to-us/

[Elvis]

"Hillary bad. Establishment bad. Sanders good. Assange good. Marjuana good. Status quo bad."

I'm Elvis and I approve this message.