Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

[American Dream]

I certainly don't support the ridiculous "March Against Sharia" nor the smarmy Trumpist/White Nationalist coalition organizing such things. Therein lie the ABC's of anti-Fascism & anti-Racism and I doubt Jeff disagrees.

[Wombaticus Rex]

We should talk some time. I'm going to continue having a perspective that includes White Supremacy and other such doctrines of far Right as integral parts of the problem. It's a given that will be strongly disliked by some. So there's an inherent problem.

What part of that requires you to repeatedly post the same links in the same threads, though?

Is that part of your intersectional critique?

[American Dream]

Very occasionally- as others also do sometimes- it might feel relevant to repeat something. Other than that, I don't remember.

[km artlu]

I'm beginning to see the artfulness in your writing AD. Your posts today have a prissiness, a snootiness, an insufferable dickishness that isn't easy to come by with such economy of prose.

[Elvis]

a prissiness, a snootiness, an insufferable dickishness that isn't easy to come by with such economy of prose.

Quoted for beauty.

[Sounder]

The thread title still cracks me up, so revealing, 'by any means necessary'.

I certainly don't support the ridiculous "March Against Sharia" nor the smarmy Trumpist/White Nationalist coalition organizing such things.

Well sure, and neither do I, even though I do agree that Muslim ambitions are a danger to people that do not accept those belief sets. And it would seem that any real liberal would also be concerned about the spreading of this very regressive doctrine.

Consistency is the issue here. While I do not support racist, gun-toting homophobes of any sort, you seem to support one group of homophobes while having an obsessive take on another group of homophobes. How do you do that? It undermines your credibility to support homophobes when you claim to be against that sort of thing.

Therein lie the ABC's of anti-Fascism & anti-Racism and I doubt Jeff disagrees.

You feel a need to claim the imprimatur of the founder as to your claims about the ABC's of anti-fascism? And what of these ABC's? So the ABC's require you to be locked into a binary where the second option maybe worse than the first? Ditch the binary AD, both are regressive and 'liberal' support for Muslims is an embarrassment to liberal values.

Skinheads make for great pictures and emotional triggers that serve well to distract attention away from the fascist in suits that do much more to shape society than do any number of skinheads.

[American Dream]

Understanding contemporary white supremacy: Is the alt-right really something new?



Is the contemporary “alt-right” a continuation of late 20th-century American white supremacist movements, or are there new components? Besides the new use of technology, are there ideological elements to the alt-right that we should take notice of? What happened to some of the exotic ideas floating around in the 1980s and ’90s, such as occult Nazism and pagan religions? Did they become assimilated into the alt-right, or did those more esoteric veins fade out?

Jeffrey Kaplan: The so-called alt-right seemed to descend from the ether in the fading twilight of the Obama administration. The alt-right quickly seized the stage as the acceptable face of the radical right, which since the violence of the 1980s had been demonized and banished from the American public square. The process is common enough in American extremism. In 1963 the racist fringe was banished from the anti-communist fervor of the John Birch Society, just as the 19th-century “Know Nothings” came to be excluded from the politer society of American nativism. America, after all, is a vast smorgasbord in which individuals, religions and political movements may pick and choose among the tropes on offer.

The alt-right follows this pattern to a T. Picking and choosing from a variety of established conspiratorial, racist and outright paranoid ideas, leavened with a catchy jargon like “deep state” — which is far more PC than ZOG or Zionist Occupation Government, which held primacy in the American radical right since the 1970s — the alt-right was tailor-made for the discontented and dispossessed faithful of the far right.

Following British sociologist Colin Campbell in the 1960s, scholars have borrowed the term “cultic milieu” to describe the process by which oppositional individuals sample ideas, theories and wild suppositions that are the stuff of which movements are born, flourish and, most often, perish in anonymity, completely unknown to the dominant culture. This is the origin of the alt-right, and will most likely be its fate as well.

The occult and esoteric racist movements from the fringes of National Socialism to elements of explicit Satanism still exist in the wilderness of the cultic milieu, but their numbers are much diminished. The peregrinations of David Myatt are a case in point. Myatt, who drifted from Buddhist beliefs to National Socialism under the spell of Colin Jordan in Britain, went on to found the Order of Nine Angles, the most successful racist esoteric organization combining Satanism and National Socialism in the 1980s and ’90s. Tiring of the scene and despairing of the quality of the recruits, he took his shahada and converted to radical Islam in the shadow of 9/11 and 7/7. In this he moved from the most distant fringes of the cultic milieu to a more potent global system of belief. Lately, however, he has taken on the cross, converting to Orthodox Christianity and embracing a message of universal love and reconciliation. Myatt is the cultic milieu personified and living proof that the esoteric white supremacist ideas of the 1980s live on, albeit on life support.

The alt-right is, however, different in significant ways from its predecessors. For one, it is not simply an American made-for-export idea, as was the racialism that American intellectuals marketed internationally in the 19th century as racist anthropology or that which the anti-communist zealots spread with much less success in the 1950s.

Rather, it mixed American nativist tropes with the growing fears of immigration and Islamization that have become acute in the European Union. More remarkable still, it fell easily under the spell of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, whose hybrid warfare campaign against the West and the world is simply a 21st-century update of the Soviet disinformation campaigns that were called Active Measures in the Cold War. Putin’s Russia now caters to the far right globally, and as the Trump scandals now unfolding in Washington indicate, found in the alt-right perfect rubes who, for a few dollars and a grand delusion of power and global glory, would gladly ignore logic and history in pursuit of a dream of an America relatively untroubled by such putative enemies as Black Lives Matter; immigrants bent on rape, rapine and terrorism; and the dread legions of the politically correct.

More at: http://www.salon.com/2017/06/11/underst ... thing-new/

[MacCruiskeen]

Jeffrey Kaplan: [...] The alt-right follows this pattern to a T. Picking and choosing from a variety of established conspiratorial, racist and outright paranoid ideas, leavened with a catchy jargon like “deep state” — which is far more PC than ZOG or Zionist Occupation Government, which held primacy in the American radical right since the 1970s — the alt-right was tailor-made for the discontented and dispossessed faithful of the far right. [...]

Vladimir Putin’s Russia, whose hybrid warfare campaign against the West and the world [...]

More at: http://www.salon.com/2017/06/11/underst ... thing-new/

Let me get this straight: 1) "Deep state" is just a codeword for "ZOG"? 2) "Conspiratorial" is a useful term for a leftist to use? 3) Russia is waging war on "the West" and indeed on the whole world?

So this reactionary warmongering Salon hack would have us believe.

You agree with Kaplan? Presumably you actually read this spook boilerplate before copying-and-pasting it here, correct? Are you prepared to actually defend this shit, in your own words?

[quote=""American Dream""]Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary[/quote]

By any means necessary? OK, then, I`m calling your bluff, pal. You go first.


That`s one small step for a man...

[mentalgongfu2]

Let me get this straight: 1) "Deep state" is just a codeword for "ZOG"? 2) "Conspiratorial" is a useful term for a leftist to use? 3) Russia is waging war on "the West" and indeed on the whole world?

Ignoring the fact that the article is probably full of the same old crap (haven't read it), yes, "deep state" is a synonym for ZOG in many alt-right circles.

[MacCruiskeen]

Well, that just goes to show that political discourse in the US has been completely and irrevocably fucked up by seven decades of spook murder, spook media-infiltration, and spook language-mangling. Only The Right thinks our rulers conspire? Only The Right thinks there is a deep state that is not identical with the elected figurehead? Only The Right disagrees that Russia has declared war on the world?

Mission Accomplished. Nothing is real.

Is it still permissible to use the term "CIA"? I ask because I never hear John Oliver or Rachel Maddow or Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton or anyone in Salon or The Guardian or the WaPo use that term, except in passing and with a knowing, supercilious smirk (at "conspiracy theorists", fnar). And these are the voices of The Left*, right? Only The Right* thinks that the CIA either exists or is anything less than a force for good in the world, or so these scarecrows would have us believe, just as they would have us believe that they represent something called The Left while raking in their millions and plugging away for more empire and more war.

* Language this dilapidated is beyond salvation. It is no longer fit for purpose, unless those purposes be the CIA`s.

[JackRiddler]

AD, are you just trying to serve up the bogus caricature of "the left" that the right wing desires? This headline is such a dumb one to turn into your permanent banner. And never mind that it is supposed to mean something other than what said right wing reads -- what the hell do you think they will read?! It's an intentional provocation to engage in the lowest grade of "debate" and lacks the smidgen of humor one might find in, say, "anti-Deutsch." Same deal with the "Cultural Marxism" thread. It was disgusting enough when whatever member of the local i'mnotaNazi-lite brigade posted it. But it died, and now it's been you kicking it into life support for several months. What do you think is gained by this behavior, which seems... more than a bit... intentionally... counter-productive?

[Elihu]

What part of that requires you to repeatedly post the same links in the same threads, though?

Is that part of your intersectional critique?

as mod, why do you endlessly put up with it?

What do you think is gained by this behavior, which seems... more than a bit... intentionally... counter-productive?

it's his mo. poop stir-er. his job IOW. long live the discussion board.

[Elvis]

Jeffrey Kaplan: [...] The alt-right follows this pattern to a T. Picking and choosing from a variety of established conspiratorial, racist and outright paranoid ideas, leavened with a catchy jargon like “deep state” — which is far more PC than ZOG or Zionist Occupation Government, which held primacy in the American radical right since the 1970s — the alt-right was tailor-made for the discontented and dispossessed faithful of the far right. [...]

Vladimir Putin’s Russia, whose hybrid warfare campaign against the West and the world [...]

More at: http://www.salon.com/2017/06/11/underst ... thing-new/

Let me get this straight: 1) "Deep state" is just a codeword for "ZOG"? 2) "Conspiratorial" is a useful term for a leftist to use? 3) Russia is waging war on "the West" and indeed on the whole world?

So this reactionary warmongering Salon hack would have us believe.

You agree with Kaplan? Presumably you actually read this spook boilerplate before copying-and-pasting it here, correct? Are you prepared to actually defend this shit, in your own words?

[quote=""American Dream""]Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary

By any means necessary? OK, then, I`m calling your bluff, pal. You go first.


That`s one small step for a man...[/quote]


That Kaplan article and the zillions like it are exactly why these megathreads of AD's are useless and even harmful. In these threads, there are a few good pieces but they get buried in mountains of neocon crap, left-reactionary putrifaction, and outright imperialist propaganda poop. This Kraplan article is a chamberpot containing a smelly stew of all three.

AD, are you just trying to serve up the bogus caricature of "the left" that the right wing desires? This headline is such a dumb one to turn into your permanent banner. And never mind that it is supposed to mean something other than what said right wing reads -- what the hell do you think they will read?! It's an intentional provocation to engage in the lowest grade of "debate" and lacks the smidgen of humor one might find in, say, "anti-Deutsch." Same deal with the "Cultural Marxism" thread. It was disgusting enough when whatever member of the local i'mnotaNazi-lite brigade posted it. But it died, and now it's been you kicking it into life support for several months. What do you think is gained by this behavior, which seems... more than a bit... intentionally... counter-productive?

AD is apparently trying to kill this board. To a degree he's succeeding, just have a look.

What part of that requires you to repeatedly post the same links in the same threads, though?

Is that part of your intersectional critique?

as mod, why do you endlessly put up with it?

Special conditions have been created for pushy, annoying posters before—and HMW was at least honest—so restrictions on AD don't seem beyond the pale. American Dream swamping the board with indiscriminate dumploads of his narrow obsession is no better than Hugh's incessant hammering on KWH.

[Heaven Swan]

AD, are you just trying to serve up the bogus caricature of "the left" that the right wing desires? This headline is such a dumb one to turn into your permanent banner. And never mind that it is supposed to mean something other than what said right wing reads -- what the hell do you think they will read?! It's an intentional provocation to engage in the lowest grade of "debate" and lacks the smidgen of humor one might find in, say, "anti-Deutsch." Same deal with the "Cultural Marxism" thread. It was disgusting enough when whatever member of the local i'mnotaNazi-lite brigade posted it. But it died, and now it's been you kicking it into life support for several months. What do you think is gained by this behavior, which seems... more than a bit... intentionally... counter-productive?

Yea, what the hell???

This poster claims to be on a crusade against the far right then embodies the worst negative stereotypes and in that way actually risks pushing young isolated internet addicts towards the right. Doesn't he realize that the only left these people know is the petty, superficial, cowardly, sneaky, anti-logic identity politics version of it?

I tend to think his problem is one of tone-deafness, not deliberate disinformation though. Don't we all know people whose ideological brainwashing doesn't allow them to think straight?*

You're hurting the anti-fascist cause.
Let this thread die already!



*for this reason this poster is interesting as a textbook study in ideological conditioning

[Wombaticus Rex]

as mod, why do you endlessly put up with it?

Same reason I didn't suspend anyone over the recent emotional blowups: no-till gardening.

The real problem was created by the fact that I commented at all. Always a mistake.