London Bridge, terrorism related shooting

[DrEvil]

Mundane version: The white cloth he's taking out could be to help a victim, and then he sees the fake suicide vest and starts running. No idea why he would throw it afterwards though.

Paranoid version:
Take it out and put it back - perp is dead, all going as planned.
Drop it on the ground - oh shit, he's not dead. Shoot him some more!
(The first reports I saw said there were three shots, so did they shoot him again after he started moving, or did they just get it wrong?)

[MacCruiskeen]

That's two separate videos that show him moving after he was allegedly killed by the cops with two close-range shots to the head.

[Elvis]

https://twitter.com/nehoooda/status/120 ... 47904?s=20
London Terrorist Gets up. Can anyone explain?
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... e_explain/

The guardrails are different. Not the same person, not the same place, as far as I can tell. The short duration of the clip omits all context, except the guardrails don't match.

[Grizzly]

I don't think it really matters. The PTB have us where they want us. In a collective induced state of cognitive embattlement or suspended animation within ourselves; about reality and insitu e.g, "on site" happenings. Collective 'shock doctrine' for anyone whom really pays attention. 'Alchemical Processing of Humanity Through Public Psychodrama' comes to mind, but that topic is verboten here.

As a commenter writes, "It's just coincidence this happened right before an election. In a way that will heavily aid the Tories. At some point the marvellous collision of fortuitous coincidences is much less likely than a conspiracy."

What's real, what's fake, what's the difference in print (On the internet) vs print in our daily fish-wrap*, vs video vs audio vs experience.

It's all Cryptocracy and Psychological Warfare at it's finest depending on the Dyne, or units of pressure/force.

I never read the local fishwrap by Lee enterprises, here locally. But was stuck in line getting coffee and there happened to be a 'house copy' laying nearby so I picked it up and noticed that the London Bridge Stabbing was on page C and given a minimum of four short (small font) paragraphs. Which in turn made me wonder about the difference in print reality vs online dynamic vs static reality tunnels. In other words, real time news vs consensus news.

[FourthBase]

Looks completely understandable to me. That's a cop, right? He's telling people to get back. From a suspect wearing a fake suicide vest who is still rolling around on the ground.

Am I missing something huge here?

Well, that all sounds sensible, except he's supposed to be completely dead already, right? Even if he didn't move, though, your scenario for the cop and his cloth would be plausible. A suicide vest is discovered on a corpse, everybody get back. And maybe fumbling with the cloth is just him absent-mindedly preparing to help the wounded and then he throws it away in disgust. But Evil's scenario is plausible, too. He's not dead yet, and the cloth is a signal to keep shooting but the cop hesitates to decide sending it until it's obviously necessary when the dead stabber moves too much.

[FourthBase]

https://twitter.com/nehoooda/status/120 ... 47904?s=20
London Terrorist Gets up. Can anyone explain?
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... e_explain/

The guardrails are different. Not the same person, not the same place, as far as I can tell. The short duration of the clip omits all context, except the guardrails don't match.

I don't see a guardrail mismatch.
Maybe I don't have an eye for guardrail detail.
They look exactly the same to me.

[FourthBase]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... olice-city

Gray said he saw “two or three” shots fired by police hit the attacker, who then “hit the deck”.

I then heard a fourth one and then a pop and a bang, followed by ‘run, run, run’.

I turned and ran and then heard a volley of shots from behind us.

So was the stabber just not hit in the head until the last volley? Was he simply not dead yet, flailing in the cop cloth video, sitting up in the bell video? (When would he have been so isolated to sit up alone like that, though, in the middle of all that action?) Is the official version that there were fewer shots fired than this Gray guy remembers? He seems to remember several more than just three.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I don't see anything that weird in the circumstances of this man's shooting, but I am absolutely fucking floored by the circumstances behind it.

The alleged perp was a rehabilitated terrorist who came from a conference about rehabilitating terrorists and then he killed one of the men who worked with him during his rehabilitation process. That is some gob-smacking shit!

Gonna take a harder pass at this tomorrow but there would appear to be Quite A Fucking Bit going on here, all in all.

[Elvis]

https://twitter.com/nehoooda/status/120 ... 47904?s=20
London Terrorist Gets up. Can anyone explain?
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... e_explain/

The guardrails are different. Not the same person, not the same place, as far as I can tell. The short duration of the clip omits all context, except the guardrails don't match.

I don't see a guardrail mismatch.
Maybe I don't have an eye for guardrail detail.
They look exactly the same to me.

These don't look exactly the same to me, at all; I indicated the distance between posts with red lines:

Twitter bridge vid 1.jpg

Twitter bridge vid 2.jpg

In the first image, the posts look to be about 2 feet apart; in the second image they look to be about 8 inches apart. Also the segments of the wall are very different widths. These are not images of the same spot.

[Harvey]

Foreshortening. All other details, location, lighting conditions, time (shadows) are exact.

[JackRiddler]

Clearly very different guardrail design, one with many more posts close together.

Sorry, missed it, what is the supposed origin of the "getting up" picture?

[FourthBase]

Foreshortening. All other details, location, lighting conditions, time (shadows) are exact.

Harvey knows.

Have Elvis and Jack never seen a fence from different angles before? Or are they pranking us? Guys, look at literally anything and try to draw it from two different vantage points.

[chump]

Reminded me of the quick execution of Brazilian electrician Charles Menezes…

Isn’t it possible this ‘terror attack’ is a typically staged social experiment - several of which have probably happened in your very proximity, and part of the psy-op is specifically targeting conspiracy theorists researching this shit - thus revealing the treacherous method through which we are truly trapping ourselves?

[JackRiddler]

"Look at literally anything" and make the claim you prefer, contrary to what we can all see, which is that these are different designs (one with wide-spaced posts meeting thick concrete blocks in the middle of each block, the other with thinner lower segments of metal and posts at each point where the segments meet, but even as I write this I know there is little point in detailing the obvious). This is just the now-usual procedure of finding some picture on the Internet and playing an expert in photo forensics, arguing for a false conclusion even when the visuals self-evidently say the opposite.

Meanwhile the background of the knife-man as given by the official account already tells you the whole story has a stink to it. This is a waste of time and a distraction. A familiar game, and I don't assume you're pranking or anything else about your motivations. Don't care.

Tell me again, what is the source of the "getting up" picture?

[FourthBase]

Harvey, do you know of a handy link that will show what happens to patterns like the alignment of fenceposts when you shift perspective?