Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Joe Hillshoist]

No cricket fans here obviously.

[stickdog99]

https://nickholt.substack.com/p/covid-1 ... and-excess

COVID-19 vaccine roll-out and excess deaths: causation or correlation? Australians deserve to know

Mortality in 2021 was in line with 2020 in all states, before increasing after the vaccine roll- out commenced.

Australia’s COVID-19 vaccine roll-out kicked off in March 2021 and began to gain momentum in April. Deaths in January, February and March 2021 were in line with 2020, but significantly higher from May to October.

By state:

This pattern is present in all states, regardless of the prevalence of COVID-19 and lockdowns.

States with a faster vaccine rollout have an earlier peak in excess deaths vs 2020 and faster return to 2020 levels, compared to states with slower roll-outs

By Age:

The increased death emerges prominently first in the 85+, then 75-84, then 65-74. If the vaccines are leading to increased deaths, this is what we might expect with aged care being first in vaccine roll-out. The pattern is less clear in younger age groups.

By cause of death:

Respiratory deaths and COVID-19 made a small contribution to the increase

Other major causes (Cancer, Ischaemic heart disease, Cerebrovascular disease, Dementia and Diabetes) contributed significantly from May to August

Other (non-specified) causes of death made a sustained contribution from April to October, and appear to be returning to 2020 levels in November

If there are any direct / acute vaccine deaths, we would expect them to emerge immediately and persist for the entire roll-out (which is what we see). If there is an effect of the vaccines to increase the risk of death from other chronic illnesses, we might expect these to emerge a little later, be most prominent older age groups and thus be less prominent once the roll-out moves to younger people (which is what we see).

Source: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/healt ... statistics (Australian and state death data), https://www.covid19data.com.au/vaccines (vaccine data), https://www.covid19data.com.au/deaths (COVID-19 death data).

Nationally, monthly deaths in 2021 were in line with 2020 until the vaccine roll-out started to gain momentum. Then, from May to Oct, there were an average of 988 more deaths each month in 2021 than 2020.



Increased deaths from respiratory disease and COVID-19 contributed to higher mortality in 2021; but aside from October when there was significant COVID-19 death, this was a relatively small contribution.



Major causes* aside from respiratory diseases contributed more significantly to increased mortality, particularly from May to August when they contributed an average of 467 more deaths per month in 2021 than in 2020.



Deaths from other (non-specified) causes in 2021 separated from 2020 shortly after the roll-out commenced, rather than a month later as with deaths from major causes, and remained substantially higher until October, rather than returning to 2020 levels after August.



In summary, deaths from causes other than the 6 major causes and COVID make the largest sustained contribution to excess deaths during the vaccine roll-out, with major causes contributing in the early months of the roll-out.



Mortality in 2021 was in line with 2020 in all states, before increasing after the vaccine roll-out commenced. It even appears that states with a faster roll-out had an earlier peak in excess deaths than states with a slower roll-out.



Increased mortality in 2021 relative to 2020 is most prominent in demographics over 85. There is a trend for increased mortality to start first in the oldest age groups. There may be some increased death in younger people but the data is noisy.

[Grizzly]

I have to give it to the narrators: they can switch public discussion on a dime. I suspect we have years ahead of pandemic and then war and then pandemic then war. Rinse and repeat.

[Joe Hillshoist]

SD

You know mortality in Australia in 2020 was heaps lower than the 2015-19 average right across all causes. Most likely because of lockdowns menaing less transmissible disease like flu and less workplace death or deaths on roads or from misadventure.

None of those stats say anything conclusive that could indicate a relationship between excess deaths and vaccinations.

In all of those states the death rate drops as the vaccination rate climbs. Isn't that the opposite of what you'd expect if there was a relationship between those events?

[stickdog99]

SD

You know mortality in Australia in 2020 was heaps lower than the 2015-19 average right across all causes. Most likely because of lockdowns menaing less transmissible disease like flu and less workplace death or deaths on roads or from misadventure.

None of those stats say anything conclusive that could indicate a relationship between excess deaths and vaccinations.

In all of those states the death rate drops as the vaccination rate climbs. Isn't that the opposite of what you'd expect if there was a relationship between those events?

No. The oldest and most vulnerable were vaccinated first. Right?

[Joe Hillshoist]

SD

You know mortality in Australia in 2020 was heaps lower than the 2015-19 average right across all causes. Most likely because of lockdowns menaing less transmissible disease like flu and less workplace death or deaths on roads or from misadventure.

None of those stats say anything conclusive that could indicate a relationship between excess deaths and vaccinations.

In all of those states the death rate drops as the vaccination rate climbs. Isn't that the opposite of what you'd expect if there was a relationship between those events?

No. The oldest and most vulnerable were vaccinated first. Right?

That was the theory and what was sposed to happen but I dunno if it did.

Plenty of older people in aged care were unvaccinated when they were sposed to have been for months six months ago, or there abouts.

When we were opening up again in November disabled groups across NSW and the whole country were non stopo saying they still hadn't seem proper vaccine rollouts for the people they represented. Vaccines meant for indigenous people were taken from rural NSW during the delta wave and sent to private school kids in Sydney as well.

But vaccines definitely were available for most older Australians first

[stickdog99]

Yahoo Finance?

[Grizzly]

https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/im-not ... direct&s=r
On courage. And on the DMs that I am sent that seek to justify cowardice, at a time when some bravery is needed from us all.

[Harvey]

I have to give it to the narrators: they can switch public discussion on a dime. I suspect we have years ahead of pandemic and then war and then pandemic then war. Rinse and repeat.

It's like watching a murmuration of drones. Even having seen it a fair few times now, it's never less eerie.

[MacCruiskeen]

I have to give it to the narrators: they can switch public discussion on a dime. I suspect we have years ahead of pandemic and then war and then pandemic then war. Rinse and repeat.

It's like watching a murmuration of drones. Even having seen it a fair few times now, it's never less eerie.

A murmuration of starlings makes your heart rise. A murmuration of Guardian readers has the opposite effect.

I've stood up against the cacophony, I've shouted at those dumb instinct-driven creatures and told them to think for themselves, but it just got me sectioned.

[Belligerent Savant]

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https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uplo ... cision.pdf





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[Grizzly]

How they have taken something magical and profane and turned it to mundane viral darkness I'll never understand!

[BenDhyan]

California officials raided preschool, interviewed 2-year-olds over mask policies

California state regulators conducted an investigation at a San Diego preschool and privately interviewed children as young as 2 without their parents’ consent about their masking practices.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/09/californi ... -policies/

[stickdog99]

https://gettr.com/post/pz07jid194

[stickdog99]