Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, & ... the Sixties

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[Project Willow]

I finally read this book. O'Neill, whose programmed antipathy to "conspiracy theory" both bemused and annoyed me to no end, managed to get his hands on an incredibly important document for survivors. It's Jolly West's classified report to Gottlieb about implanting memories contained his posthumous files at UCLA.

I wrote to him asking for a copy. He pointed me to his Instagram account which hosts an unreadable, video embedded version of it. In other words, useless.

I also offered O'Neill my brief encounter with Bugliosi, who in 2010, along with myself and 28 other people far less well known, was named to Hank Albarelli's NATAC-HE. Bugliosi was the dominating, bombastic presence in our first meeting and then never showed up again. I also offered O'Neill some Artichoke congressional testimony, and Jolly West connected FMSF internal communications. O'Neill said he didn't have time to review the material. One might presume that if O'Neill was still interested in linking Bugliosi to MK-ULTRA he might have at least raised an eyebrow that he was appointed as a Commissioner to a panel about human experimentation, including MK-ULTRA? Apparently not.

Let me end by saying, hello everyone, long time no see, and thanks for your contributions up thread. Is O'Neill a rube or extended limited hangout? My coin toss says rube, for now.

BTW, just on the off chance, anyone have that West document?

[SonicG]

I have meaning to post about "Aberration in the Heartland of the Real: The Secret Lives of Timothy McVeigh" by Wendy Painting. I started it and then found out she did a 10-series podcast interview, so listened to that whole thing. She mentions Jolly West quite a bit...Have you read it? I searched for Gottlieb in the book and he doesn't seem to be in it but she has continued to do research for a second book and maybe has a copy of that paper...She's on Twitter but who knows if people bother reading their DMs there...
Great to hear from you again!

[Project Willow]

Thanks for the reference Sonic! I will look into her work. Hope you are well.

[SonicG]

Here's the podcast, the episodes with Painting about McVeigh start on pg. 12. In the very last episode she talks about having a lot of trouble with her publisher TrineDay and that there are two versions of the book floating around, one of which she does not approve of...I have heard other people refer to TrineDay as being a bit problematic. They published the RigInt book fwiw
https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/ ... ll-Podcast

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@DanSoch
As O'Neill discusses often in this book, Bugliosi himself is an abusive dissembler who can't be trusted. The shifting details of this story make it very hard to take at face value

https://x.com/ZeroSuitCamus/status/1819601999869988946

Others appear to be stumbling their way down a rabbit hole...