What is #Pizzagate?

[tapitsbo]

who is he judging guilty, and guilty of what?

saying "there's smoke here, looks like there might be fire!"

is not the same as saying "WE HAVE CONCLUSIVE PROOF OF A FOUR-ALARM FIRE"

[guruilla]

Those same things overlap with hetero behavior, only moreso by several orders of magnitude. Christ.

And yet. No one is trying to defend creepy references to child exploitation by saying, "It's just part of heterosexual culture." How about you at least try to make a point when you are "making a point"? Jeez Louise.

[tapitsbo]

Actually I'm pretty sure some people on this board were defending e.g. Woody Allen's creepiness right? lol

maybe I'm mistaken.

[barracuda]

uh, that would involve replaying a discussion that's already amply accessible from many different sources

Baloney. Spill.

where do you get "orders of magnitude" from, though?

From the history of war. Also from the commonly known fact that the vast number of child porn aficionados and molesters are hets, primarily because they outnumber homos by about 100 to 1.

• Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% of cases in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/h ... ation.html

[brainpanhandler]

Those same things overlap with hetero behavior, only moreso by several orders of magnitude. Christ.

And yet. No one is trying to defend creepy references to child exploitation by saying, "It's just part of heterosexual culture."

You're soaking in it.

[tapitsbo]

Hahahahahahaha

that's a funny use of numbers barracuda.

Obviously proportion would seem relevant than quantity. (Alright, there are orders of magnitude more "hets" I guess so they do orders of magnitude more of things, or something...)

(to... uh.. the argument?! is that what this is?)

[FourthBase]

Actually I'm pretty sure some people on this board were defending e.g. Woody Allen's creepiness right? lol

maybe I'm mistaken.

I questioned the agenda of Mia Farrow.

But he still fails the test of "Would I let him babysit a child relative of mine?" The answer is HELL NO. Same answer for Alefantis & Co. Which is the real standard here, not beyond a reasonable doubt proof, because we are not a jury in a courtroom. So...who here would let Tony Podesta babysit a young son or daughter? Any hands? Yeah, I thought so.

[barracuda]

Those same things overlap with hetero behavior, only moreso by several orders of magnitude. Christ.

And yet. No one is trying to defend creepy references to child exploitation by saying, "It's just part of heterosexual culture." How about you at least try to make a point when you are "making a point"? Jeez Louise.

Perhaps I was mistaken, but it sounded to me that you just characterized gay culture as inherently perverted:

• "the gay subculture overlaps in countless ways with sadomasochism, pedophilia, and every other squalid vice (unsanctioned paraphilia) we can imagine."

[tapitsbo]

I remember others had a less subtle take than yours 4B

maybe I'm wrong

[barracuda]

Obviously proportion would seem relevant than quantity.

Why? Especially since it doesn't shake out that way.

[tapitsbo]

Depends on what you're trying to say here?

I'm saying it's more relevant to what guru and slomo have been talking about.

What doesn't shake out, what way, barracuda?

[barracuda]

Depends on what you're trying to say here?

I'm saying it's more relevant to what guru and slomo have been talking about.

What doesn't shake out, what way, barracuda?

I'm sorry, are you an elderly person? I feel like I have to very carefully tell you things that are otherwise plainly stated.

Persons identifying as heterosexuals are far more likely to be the perps of child molestations. Clear enough? I gave you clinical stats in my post. So to color "gay subculture" as riddled with perversity and prone to pedophilia, sadomasochism and "squalid vices" is ridiculous.

[liminalOyster]

And yet. No one is trying to defend creepy references to child exploitation by saying, "It's just part of heterosexual culture."

That's a pretty crass summary of what I actually said. My point is that drag has its own codes and they're complicated. I'm not even too intimately familiar with the art form but I know enough to understand there's a certain kind of kitsch and a certain kind of blasphemy directed towards socially mandated taboos - often directed at the heteronormative / hetero world (ie childbirth). So ignoring that subculture's own systems of meaning and reading them through the lexicon of the very same dominant culture that it is oppositional to can only be done in bad faith.

[tapitsbo]

Nah barracuda, I'm questioning the relevancy of your claim.

The claim that homosexuals molest children at way higher rates, proportionally, (true or not!) seems as relevant as your data if not more.

If someone here wants to prepare a more elegant phrasing of this notion for the convenience of barracuda and friends, be my guest.

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-correl ... pedophilia

there's at least a conversation about this topic here. I don't really feel like getting into a tedious bunfight over it.

The other claim, that "queer culture" contains a significant overlap with pedophilia apologism and activism, separate from subversive/campy "blasphemous" humour, is an entirely separate claim.

The idea that the sanctity of "queer culture" is a legitimate reason to disregard Pizzagate doesn't hold up, anyways.

[barracuda]

I feel like a window was just opened into the source of some of the ideas contained in pizzagate. Teh gayz ur bad, Q.E.D.

"OP is a faggot" - 4chan