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Novem5er » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:15 pm wrote:

DrEvil » Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:25 pm wrote:Another thing about Trump: He thinks global warming is a Chinese conspiracy. That's a global disaster scenario we know for a fact is happening right now, and one that is almost guaranteed to create immense chaos down the line (Syria is just the appetizer), and he is actively opposed to fixing it.

I know Trump is just terrible . . . but on that note, I can't bring myself to vote for Clinton. I wont attack anyone who will be voting for her. I get it. As the media and the Clinton campaign has been saying for two weeks now, "What, you want Trump to win?"

No, we don't.

So, let's just strap ourselves in for a Hillary presidency. The domestic, social agenda will be progressive, but will be deadlocked in congress. SCOTUS nominations will be on the moderate side if they have any chance of being affirmed. Economics will proceed much as they have under Bush and Obama (good news for the bourgeois - meh for most of us), and the international affairs will again continue with the globalization, regime-change, drone wars, and East v. West antagonism disguised as a War on Terror.

Agreed. If I could vote I would vote for Jill Stein, but all told Hillary is the lesser of two evils.
Trump would have a disastrous financial policy, domestic policy, environmental policy and foreign policy. Hillary will most likely only have a disastrous foreign policy and status quo on the rest, and at least she has an IQ higher than her shoe size.

There is a small part of me that wants Trump to win, but that's the same part that loves disaster movies, so I probably shouldn't listen to it.

the great irony here is Hillary will be the one to start WW3, it's plainly obvious.

but Trump is 'ugly' so I guess total annihilation is the preferable route.

Agent Orange Cooper » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:08 am wrote:the great irony here is Hillary will be the one to start WW3, it's plainly obvious.

but Trump is 'ugly' so I guess total annihilation is the preferable route.

Um, yeah, no. He is fucking ugly. So is Clinton. Maybe if she ran 20 years ago I would not use that term. I also think that Ivanka is the milk man's daughter.

^^Trump isn't 'ugly', he's a self-obsessed idiot who doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing. It's all about him-him-him. He's a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

Someone who has to ask three times why he can't use nukes (They're gonna be the best nukes ever! You'll see!) shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

And don't worry - you'll get total annihilation with Trump too, you just might not see it coming.

who knew?

It took threat of total annihilation for DrEvil and SLaD to come together ...it's a good thing

DrEvil » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:31 pm wrote:^^Trump isn't 'ugly', he's a self-obsessed idiot who doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing. It's all about him-him-him. He's a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

Someone who has to ask three times why he can't use nukes (They're gonna be the best nukes ever! You'll see!) shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

And don't worry - you'll get total annihilation with Trump too, you just might not see it coming.

It seems we all agree on the essentials: simply, that both options are a despicable affront to humanity; we may differ as to which option may suck less -- the known-known or the known-unknown.

An abominable tragedy, the current predicament thrust upon the plebes. Beyond cynical, utterly anti-humanitarian, fully driven by greed and ‎power.
We are rendered impotent by the lack of any 'choice' that won't result in global detriment.

I disagree on one point, however: IF Trump makes it to the White House (and frankly he increasingly appears to be a 'prop' set up to force the erudite layman among the citizenry to select the "lesser" of the 2 evil options), I disagree that he alone would be deciding on triggering that red Nuclear button.
No way would he be provided such autonomy/authority, regardless of outward appearances. Indeed, one can argue all presidents are beholden to the 'hidden hands', despite overt optics/appearances, but Clinton -- in my highly subjective/speculative opinion -- would likely wield more clout/autonomy as President than Trump by several orders of magnitude. 

The Neocon force is strong in her, and she has plenty of backing in this regard.

Lastly, Re: Trump's "ugliness" and Ivanka's genetic makeup: I touched on this already the last time it was raised, but to reiterate/double-down:

Ivanka is ABSOLUTELY the progeny of Trump. Your internal 'facial recognition software' is malfunctioning if claiming otherwise.
Disregard Trump's current orange-hued visage; consider instead the Trump mug of 20-30 yrs ago.  The similarities are obvious.
Sorry to disappoint, but those are the facts. Also, what difference does it make anyway?
She is a representative/promoter of the Trump brand, regardless.

seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:41 pm wrote:who knew?

It took threat of total annihilation for DrEvil and SLaD to come together ...it's a good thing

Next thing you know there will be pigs flying around (alternatively - just throw Trump out of a tall building, preferably Trump Tower).

Belligerent Savant » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:35 pm wrote:

DrEvil » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:31 pm wrote:^^Trump isn't 'ugly', he's a self-obsessed idiot who doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing. It's all about him-him-him. He's a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

Someone who has to ask three times why he can't use nukes (They're gonna be the best nukes ever! You'll see!) shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

And don't worry - you'll get total annihilation with Trump too, you just might not see it coming.

It seems we all agree on the essentials: simply, that both options are a despicable affront to humanity; we may differ as to which option may suck less -- the known-known or the known-unknown.

An abominable tragedy, the current predicament thrust upon the plebes. Beyond cynical, utterly anti-humanitarian, fully driven by greed and ‎power.
We are rendered impotent by the lack of any 'choice' that won't result in global detriment.

I disagree on one point, however: IF Trump makes it to the White House (and frankly he increasingly appears to be a 'prop' set up to force the erudite layman among the citizenry to select the "lesser" of the 2 evil options), I disagree that he alone would be deciding on triggering that red Nuclear button.
No way would he be provided such autonomy/authority, regardless of outward appearances. Indeed, one can argue all presidents are beholden to the 'hidden hands', despite overt optics/appearances, but Clinton -- in my highly subjective/speculative opinion -- would likely wield more clout/autonomy as President than Trump by several orders of magnitude. 

The Neocon force is strong in her, and she has plenty of backing in this regard.

Lastly, Re: Trump's "ugliness" and Ivanka's genetic makeup: I touched on this already the last time it was raised, but to reiterate/double-down:

Ivanka is ABSOLUTELY the progeny of Trump. Your internal 'facial recognition software' is malfunctioning if claiming otherwise.
Disregard Trump's current orange-hued visage; consider instead the Trump mug of 20-30 yrs ago.  The similarities are obvious.
Sorry to disappoint, but those are the facts. Also, what difference does it fucking make anyway?
She is a representative/promoter of the Trump brand, regardless.

I think the main difference between them is that Clinton probably understands the consequences of nuclear war. The only terms Trump would be able to understand is the loss in property value (and I suspect the only reason Trump is chummy with Putin right now is because of his financial interests in Russia. If that changes he'll become just as hysterically anti-Russian as the rest of them).

I fully agree that Clinton's warmongering is dangerous as Hell, but I also think she has enough sense not to push it to all-out war if it can be avoided. It's a lose-lose scenario that no one wants.
I can't say the same for Trump.

Either way they're both dangerous people who shouldn't be in power, and whoever wins we'll be in for interesting times.

Agent Orange Cooper » Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:08 pm wrote:the great irony here is Hillary will be the one to start WW3, it's plainly obvious.

but Trump is 'ugly' so I guess total annihilation is the preferable route.

When I was watching Trump in Iowa, he seemed (relatively) sane on Russia, but completely frikken INsane over China.
Hilary seems relatively sane over China, but completely frikken INsane over Russia...

There’s a Dark History Behind the Family Fortune Donald Trump’s Grandfather Buil

With the 2016 presidential election coming up, it may be interesting to learn the roots of some of the remaining candidates left running, particularly that of Republican candidate Donald Trump who has built a platform on his proven success as a ruthless businessman. It turns out, that savviness for business is exclusive to the Trump family.

Donald Trump inherited his family’s philosophy on business along with his millions from the empire built by his grandfather Frederick Trump, a German-born American businessman. Grandfather Trump, arrived in the United States in 1885 in Manhattan, New York. He set out to make a life for himself and launched his first business, a seedy restaurant in the red-light district in Seattle at 22.

Attracted by the opportunity of striking his own wealth during the Gold Rush of the late 1800s, Frederick Trump used the little money he arrived in America with and hustled to become a proprietor for hotels and brothels. According to Politico, the restaurant originally called the Poodle Dog, was renamed the Dairy Restaurant and catered to the masses by providing food, booze and easily available sex.

Frederick Trump went on to expand his business operations in a small town north of Seattle called Monte Cristo. Without any legal claim to a plot of land, “Trump scoped out the best location there, secured it by filing a bogus mineral claim, built a hotel on the parcel even though it didn’t actually belong to him, and began giving the customers, once again, exactly what they wanted: plenty to eat, lots to drink and of course women.”

When things didn’t pan out as well, grandfather Trump sought new prospects in the Washington and Yukon Territory and opened the New Arctic Restaurant and Hotel. Trump upgraded his business by offering “private boxes” for women that included a bed and a scale for weighing gold dust that was often used in exchange for sexual services. By the time he was done, Frederick Trump had amassed his enormous wealth of about $500,000 in today’s dollars by “creating his own private gold rush by mining the would-be miners,” which was expanded on by his son, Fred Trump, through real estate investments.

Fred Trump helped make America great — by opportunistically selling food and sex in the rugged West, making a fortune and leaving a legacy that his now-grandson hopes to expand on.

http://www.notey.com/blogs/frederick-trump?page=2




By 1901, Frederick Drumpf had made a small fortune in the Yukon and decided to return to his hometown of Kallstadt in south-west Germany. Frederick married his childhood sweetheart, Elisabeth, and planned to settle down. The Bavarian Palatinate authorities, however, would not let him. They claimed he had left Germany as an illegal emigrant, evading taxes and the compulsory two-year military service. Frederick pleaded that he and Elisabeth were “loyal Germans and stand behind the high Kaiser and the mighty German Reich”. It was all to no avail. The Trumps were evicted and resettled to New York. World War I was not a happy time for German-Americans. They were summarily labelled as “alien enemies” whose true allegiance lay with the Fatherland. The Alien Enemy Bureau was established in the early days of the war with a brief to identify and arrest disloyal foreigners. It was headed by J. Edgar Hoover, then a young civil servant in the Justice Department.

Vladimir Putin’s State Run Media Is Now Doing PR For Donald Trump
By Jason Easley on Fri, Aug 5th, 2016 at 7:22 pm
Putin is using Russia's state-run media to help Donald Trump win the White House.


Vladimir Putin’s State Run Media Is Now Doing PR For Donald Trump

Putin is using Russia’s state-run media to help Donald Trump win the White House.

After former George W. Bush and Romney national security adviser, John Noonan went off on Twitter about how Donald Trump should not be trusted with access to nuclear weapons, one of Putin’s state-run news agencies published a defense of Trump’s position.

Read Noonan’s tweetstorm about how Trump is threat to nuclear deterrence:


Putin’s Sputnik News responded by publishing an article that defended Trump’s willingness to use nuclear weapons:

The argument goes that implementing an official no-first-use policy would threaten the foundations of nuclear deterrence, needlessly assuring enemies that the US will not launch an offensive strike. Supporters of nuclear nonproliferation counter that a no-first-use policy would not apply to defensive measures, thereby preserving the idea of deterrence.

James’ comments come amid an ongoing debate over the future of the Long-Range Standoff Weapon (LRSO), a nuclear cruise missile. While a group of congressional Democrats have urged the Obama Administration to abandon the program, arguing that doing so would promote world peace and save US taxpayers $20 billion, the Pentagon disagrees.

Putin’s state-run media is trying to downplay the dangers of Donald Trump to the people of the United States and the world. The Trump campaign can continue to try to deny that they aren’t getting help from Putin, but when Russian state media is directly rebutting criticism of Trump, it is pretty obvious that Putin is doing everything in his power to get Donald Trump elected.

Vladimir Putin wants Trump in the White House, which is why American voters have a duty to say nyet to Comrade Donald in November.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/05/ ... trump.html



How The Trump Campaign Weakened The Republican Platform On Aid To Ukraine
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/06/488876597 ... to-ukraine

It's so fucking stupid because the only reason we're NOT in a hot war with Russia right now (and possibly the only reason we're not all dead) is because of Putin. Level head, and superior chess player and clearly doesn't want war.

The man should get a peace prize. A real one.

So yeah, let's consider someone who is pushing for no war the Evil One

Only in America.

America is so fucking evil and Americans are blind to it.

Question: Are any of the neocons, who helped plan and lobbied for Iraq/Afghan wars and several skirmishes across ME and Africa, also ones that toyed with the idea of a first strike against Iran and/or North Korea?

I know first strikes are a very big selling point of neocon war planning, which is what we will undoubtedly get with Hillary. Bob Kagan was planned to be her advisor long before now. He announced this on his twitter then quietly deleted it after about 24 hours last year. One of Hillary's people probably told him it was too early in the game for that.

I'm having a giggle at people on RI lobbying for neocons. Orange hair or no, the snake has almost finished eating it's tail.

The neocon is Hillary. Who here is lobbying for her? Except SLAD, perhaps, which means you should say "person" and not "people".

oh Nordic I am not lobbying for Hilly ...I'm just not for the psychopath


you all take a look at all the shit I've posted here in the past 10 years about fucking neo cons...god solace was on my fuckin back for 7 fuckin years cause I wouldn't shut up about the neo cons