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Ah, I see you added:

American Dream » Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:12 am wrote: ...and their ilk...

since I quoted you.

We can't be far from all being addressed as 'you people', I suppose.

Mirrors mentioned in another thread come to mind - and projection - and thread titles. (And hoaxes/crisis actors, etc. "Take-overs" and "drive-bys". Lots of interesting topics)

coffin_dodger » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:49 pm wrote: We can't be far from all being addressed as 'you people', I suppose.

Woody Guthrie didn't mind:


I'm gonna tell you fascists
You may be surprised
The people in this world
Are getting organized
You're bound to lose
You fascists bound to lose

Race hatred cannot stop us
This one thing we know
Your poll tax and Jim Crow
And greed has got to go
You're bound to lose
You fascists bound to lose.

All of you fascists bound to lose:
I said, all of you fascists bound to lose:
Yes sir, all of you fascists bound to lose:
You're bound to lose! You fascists:
Bound to lose!

People of every color
Marching side to side
Marching 'cross these fields
Where a million fascists dies
You're bound to lose
You fascists bound to lose!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyjNRmSPVMM

American Dream » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:46 am wrote:

coffin_dodger » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:25 am wrote:

American Dream » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:12 am wrote:

coffin_dodger » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:57 am wrote: I watched a newish BBC documentary about Himmler earlier today (Storyville - Himmler, The Decent One) - and I really, really don't want to see any real form of Fascism or Nazism rear it's ugly head again in what remains of my lifetime. I'd rather my children, grandchildren etc. avoided it too, to be frank. Fascism and Nazism is a state of mind that scares me rigid. Order; total subservience to State; constant Total War mentality; elimination of 'undesirables'; indoctrination of minors etc

But equally, the other extreme - anti-fascism - scares me too. In many ways, it scares me more than Fascism. Here's why:

Fascism and Nazism are spent forces. They had their turn and are now past. We know them for what they are and they were an awful failure.

Nazism was slyly promoted and implemented back in the mid 1920's to mid 1930's by use of a simple underlying message: "there are some people that live amongst us who are the cause of all of our societal ills". It didn't start out with "Kill them all! Burn their houses! - it started with 'this is the problem'. We all know where it eventually led to.

I'm concerned that Anti-fascism is piggybacking, on the back of Nazism - towards an endstate similar to that which Nazi Germany found itself consumed by in the early 40's - an overwhelming desire and need to rid itself of 'the problem'.

The ridiculing of opponents from both ends of the spectrum (from the Nazis in the late 1920's/30's in Germany, from the Anti-Fascists now) is almost identical. For instance - "Whatever his name is is constantly doing this" clearly shows that your contempt for this person is so strong that you will not even identify this person as a person.

Here's what I see, daily, posted on this forum by AD:

Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - Jewish people is problematic
Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - Muslim people is problematic
Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - gay people is problematic
Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - transgender people is problematic
Anyone who doesn't like any one of - or all - black people is problematic
Anyone who likes the idea of a Nation State is problematic
Anyone who is a Christian is problematic
Anyone who doesn't unconditionally welcome refugees is problematic
Anyone who draws a conclusion that Anti-Fascists may be extremists - is problematic
Anyone who is white that doesn't feel the need to self-flagellate is problematic
Anyone who isn't an anti-Fascist is a Fascist or Crypto-Fascist and is problematic.

I've missed some, I'm sure.

Do you see where this is heading?

Translation: crypto-racist/fascist types need bigotry and they resort to straw man excuses to try to justify their scapegoating.

Third positionists and their ilk seem to be amongst the worst in this respect. Their excuses are clumsy, but they return to them like moths to the flame.

AD, could you be so kind as to translate the above comment into something that doesn't use buzzwords like 'straw man' and 'third positionists', so that I can fully understand what you're saying.

Also, the use of the word 'types' is dismissive, derogatory - and again, a fairly typical choice of descriptor for opponents in both the Fascist and anti-Fascist mindset.

No.

I don't get it.

Firstly, I thought that I was the only real fascist around here, and everyone else is basically ok (with some reservations).
Secondly, why the really dumb (non) dialogue? it serves no purpose and actually reinforces the notion that antifascism is really shallow.

Also AD, you've got umpteen current more or less identical threads ('Angry..' being the latest') to conduct this in, why use this one too?

Last month,

"Erdogan Threatened to Flood Europe with Refugees Unless EU Deal Agreed"

Now, it looks like he's gonna make out like a bandit. Literally.

In fact, NATO's baby, the Muslim Brother and aspiring "Caliph" Erdogan, and of course Israel's closest military, economic and geopolitical ally in the region (and prospective partner in Israel's plan to dominate Europe via its desperate need for gas by controlling its access through pipelines), is in the catbird seat:

1) By threatening to "flood Europe with refugees", he's blackmailing Europe into giving him billions of Euros more, in addition to the billions he and his family and cronies have personally earned by conspiring with Israel and the rest of the Zio-American Empire to rob Iraq and Syria of their oil wealth and antiquities and to sell them on to Europe for fun and obscene profit (not to mention conspiring with Israel and the rest of the Zio-American Empire to rob the Iraqi and Syrian people of even a government of their own);

2) He's enjoying total legal immunity, along with his fellow war criminals the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, for the illegal war of aggression being waged by the Zio-American empire and its vassals against Syria which caused the refugee crisis in the first place, and for his central role in terrorist recruitment, training, arming and financing;

3) In true Zionist style, and in total violation of international law, he's trying to carve out and annex pieces of Syrian territory, using as a pretext either "self-defense" or the need for a NATO-ruled place to dump the millions of refugees;

4) Resounding silence or the limpest and lamest of responses from the international media (corporate, "alternative", Left, Right, you name it) as his security forces shoot civilians in the streets of Turkey, as he imprisons, or murders, more journalists than any other country in the world, as he shuts down opposition TV stations and newspapers (or forcibly removes their editorial staff and replaces it with obsequious, gushing sycophants of his choice), as he allows Turkey to be used as a terrorist base for "ISIS"/Daesh, and for transporting the terrorists and weapons and other equipment to the countries on the Zionist hit-list, targeted for "dissolution" or, as one Zionist thinker put it, back when it sounded as psychotic as it is, "cauldronization".

5) In addition to protection money, the NATO protection racketeer's got a whole list of things he wants from the EU in exchange for warehousing the victims of his and his partners' war crimes:

"We Can Put Refugees On Buses": Leaked Memo Shows Erdogan Blackmailed Europe For Billions
by Tyler Durden on 02/08/2016 17:17 -0400

If there’s anything we’ve learned over the past twelve months it’s that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is prepared to employ all manner of nefarious tactics in order to preserve his grip on power in Ankara.

Following unfavorable election results last June, Erdogan plunged the country into civil war be restarting a long simmering battle with the PKK and proceeded to crack down on journalists and anyone else critical of the ruling AKP. Ultimately, new elections were called and AKP put up a stronger showing, effectively paving the way for Erdogan to rewrite Turkey’s constitution and install an executive presidency.

But Erdogan’s bullying isn’t confined to his domestic political agenda. Greek media has obtained an internal memo which suggests the Turkish strongman effectively blackmailed the EU by demanding cash payments in exchange for efforts to curb the flow of migrants into Western Europe. “We can open the doors to Greece and Bulgaria anytime and we can put the refugees on buses,” Erdogan allegedly said, on the way to demanding $3 billion per year in aid.

An internal EU memo obtained by Greek media reveals the blatant Turkish blackmail on the refugee crisis. The memo contains a summary of the dialogue between Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan with European Commissioner Jean Claude Juncker and President of the European Council Donald Tusk on 16th November 2015 during the G20 Summit in Antalya, Turkey. The three Presidents were discussing the Action Plan to tackle the Refugees and Migrants Crisis.

According to the memo, the bargain was hard and Turkey demanded 30 billion euro from the European Union in order to refrain from sending refugees and migrants to Europe through Greece.

EU’s offer was 3 billion euro in two years, but Erdogan demanded 3 billion euro per year.

In addition, Ankara threatened, that if the EU does not link the refugee issue to Turkey’s EU accession then it would:

1. Send buses full of refugees to Europe via Greece and Bulgaria and will let 10,000-15,000 refugees drown on its shores.

2. Turkey does not accept the 3 billion euro for two years he had agreed with and wants 3 billion a year at least, otherwise there will be no agreement.

3. Requests opening all accession funds soon and non instructions from the European Commission.

4. The European Commission deliberately delayed the publication of Turkey’s progress report, at the same Erdogan’s request to help him win the election.

Overwhelmed with arrogance Erdogan complains that the EU treated Turkey like a fool for 53 years and did not allow it to become full EU member, he compares a country like Luxembourg with the size of small Turkish town.

He also claimed that “Greece received 400 billion euro from Europe” during the economic crisis and that in fact Turkey should get a huge amount of money too. The two EU Officials told him, not to compare the Greek economic crisis with the refugee crisis. He claimed that the 3 billion euro will go for the refugees and not for Turkey.

The three-party meeting ended without an agreement.

What is worth noting is that neither Juncker, nor Tusk informed the other EU-member states about Turkey’s approach. Also the media covering the G20 summit were apparently told that “the ball was rolling”. but in fact there was a total media blackout on the EU-Turkey negotiations.

And at the end of the EU-Turkey agreement and Action Plan …what? The EU is expected to start pouring to Turkey -as it seems – part of the 3 billion euro as of end of February or beginning of March.

All we can do is to wait and see how Ankara will deal with the refugees and migrants.

I suppose, the EU leaked this internal memo to the Greek media, after Turkey complained that it has not received any more yet.

Copies of internal EU memo in English uploaded here.

Official EU statement on EU-Turkey Agreement 29. Nov 2015 here. As we all know meanwhile, official statements tell half the truth. The other half is been revealed little by little. That’s why there is no transparency which time frame these 3 billion euro cover.

PS I also suppose that Erdogan’s mind is stuck at the old US aid formula and (Truman Dogma) for Turkey and Greece. And he believes that Brussels operates in the same geopolitical way. But the red danger is gone and there is no Communist Russia anymore so that Turkey & Greece will need protection from. Link

And yesterday, Erdogan spelled it out again: he wants to at least double the money he's already getting, the EU must give Turkish citizens visa-free travel to Europe, to facilitate the export of Turkish goods into Europe, and to expedite negotiations for Turkish membership in the EU. Not spelled out but clearly part of the deal, is the total ditching of EU democracy and human rights criteria and conditions for membership. So far, it looks like he'll be getting everything he wants.

Pure comedy gold:

The Turkish offer was hailed as a "breakthrough" on Tuesday by Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, and Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, spoke about a "common understanding" between Europe and Turkey.

Talk about an offer you can't refuse! And some people here still insist on denying that refugees can be, and are being, "weaponized". Take those blinders off, for pete's sake.

AlicetheKurious » 10 Mar 2016 19:30 wrote: 3) In true Zionist style, and in total violation of international law, he's trying to carve out and annex pieces of Syrian territory, using as a pretext either "self-defense" or the need for a NATO-ruled place to dump the millions of refugees;

So is Erdogan being a Zionist by stealing Syrian land for himself?

If so can you explain how please.

And yesterday, Erdogan spelled it out again: he wants to at least double the money he's already getting, the EU must give Turkish citizens visa-free travel to Europe, to facilitate the export of Turkish goods into Europe, and to expedite negotiations for Turkish membership in the EU. Not spelled out but clearly part of the deal, is the total ditching of EU democracy and human rights criteria and conditions for membership. So far, it looks like he'll be getting everything he wants.

This is typical of US and Anglo/European arrogance tho isn't it. Start wars and expect someone else to look after the refugees on their own coin.

Why wouldn't you ask the Europeans to pay for the privilege of keeping their precious sanctuary white and pure if you had a country full of refos on the way there? Then negotiate as hard as you could. Where in the world haven't they screwed over? Now they expect the rest of the world to bend over backwards on their behalf. And pay for the privilege.

4) Resounding silence or the limpest and lamest of responses from the international media (corporate, "alternative", Left, Right, you name it) as his security forces shoot civilians in the streets of Turkey, as he imprisons, or murders, more journalists than any other country in the world, as he shuts down opposition TV stations and newspapers (or forcibly removes their editorial staff and replaces it with obsequious, gushing sycophants of his choice), as he allows Turkey to be used as a terrorist base for "ISIS"/Daesh, and for transporting the terrorists and weapons and other equipment to the countries on the Zionist hit-list, targeted for "dissolution" or, as one Zionist thinker put it, back when it sounded as crazy as it is, "cauldronization".

Yes he an authoritarian is a piece of shit and should be condemned for what he did.

Still if anyone was running Turkey and wasn't a European vassal they would behave the same way.

Well now we're going back in circles. Why aren't the notable aggressors in the war taking refugees then, like Israel and Saudi Arabia? Could it be intolerance and racial supremacy doctrines? Iran may have been less objectionable in the war but they're shooting migrants on sight. Why don't we hear anything about that from you?

What did modern Greece ever do to anybody, for instance?

The imperial European countries like Spain, Portugal, France, and the UK aren't "pure" ethnically, what are you even talking about? Their original populations will be minorities in a few decades.

If Europe is to be open for conquest as payback for history as you suggest, Russians and Greeks could make the same argument about taking back Constantinople or the Holy Land itself for that matter - and round we go in circles.

The articles SLAD posted actually tied the crisis to the causes of the war, something that seems to have gotten lost in the resulting "conversation".

I'm talking to Alice not you.

I'm interested in seeing how much ground this thread covers and recovers and recovers

it's helped disabuse me of some of my programming about history and current events so even if some people have left the building I'm still happy

tapitsbo » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:08 pm wrote:Well now we're going back in circles. Why aren't the notable aggressors in the war taking refugees then, like Israel and Saudi Arabia? Could it be intolerance and racial supremacy doctrines? Iran may have been less objectionable in the war but they're shooting migrants on sight. Why don't we hear anything about that from you?

What did modern Greece ever do to anybody, for instance?

The imperial European countries like Spain, Portugal, France, and the UK aren't "pure" ethnically, what are you even talking about? Their original populations will be minorities in a few decades.

If Europe is to be open for conquest as payback for history as you suggest, Russians and Greeks could make the same argument about taking back Constantinople or the Holy Land itself for that matter - and round we go in circles.

The articles SLAD posted actually tied the crisis to the causes of the war, something that seems to have gotten lost in the resulting "conversation".

WN's (and traditional nationalists) started talking about the concept of an indigenous population a while back, and it is a good tack to take as the UN recognise this too.

Unfortunately, this only seems to apply once you have become living museum exhibits (ie, even 'minority' won't cut it), and in no danger of affecting the 'big boys' on the world stage. This quaintness does grant access to certain funding, status and recognition which can tip the scales slightly, but not in any significant way.

jakell » 11 Mar 2016 21:05 wrote:
Unfortunately, this only seems to apply once you have become living museum exhibits (ie, even 'minority' won't cut it), and in no danger of affecting the 'big boys' on the world stage. This quaintness does grant access to certain funding, status and recognition which can tip the scales slightly, but not in any significant way.

You're not at all racist are you.

Joe Hillshoist » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:38 am wrote:I'm talking to Alice not you.

Actually, this not being a private conversation but a group discussion thread, there's no reason why anybody shouldn't jump in, especially if they have something interesting to contribute. To be honest, I wasn't going to respond to your post at all, first because yours was basically an all-purpose and rather thoughtless post that neither requires any knowledge at all of the subject, nor adds any.

Secondly, it blithely obliviates enormous amounts of very enlightening information that has already been posted about the subject in this and many other threads, and assumes blanket ignorance of them. Surely it's not fair, with one dismissive question, to expect me to get busy recapping it. That would take me hours, and it would be better for both of us if those hours came from you than from me.

But I will try to add something new: in 1860, nearly a century before the "Jewish state of Israel" was declared, three decades before the term "Zionism" was coined, and in fact the very year Theodor Herzl was born, a very wealthy international financier and the Sheriff of London named Moses Montefiore was steadily recruiting and paying for the transfer of Russian Jews to Palestine, where they were ordered to learn agriculture and given paramilitary training. Moses Montefiore was also a very powerful and influential member of the British aristocracy, who built and financially supported the first Jewish town and several agricultural Jewish colonies in Palestine. He was joined in this enterprise by a close-knight group of aristocratic and fabulously wealthy and powerful British Jews, which also included members of the Rothschild family.

At the same time, the violent Wahhabist gang in Arabia, which had been nearly wiped out and was on the verge of disappearing, was given a new lease of life by an infusion of advanced weaponry, cash and military training by the British Empire, channeled through their important economic and political installations in Iraq, especially in Basra. By an amazing coincidence, 1860 was also the year the Deobandi movement (which later produced the Taliban) was born in the Indian Himalayas, under British rule.

Less well-known is the fact that the roots of "Christian Zionism" are similarly to be found in Britain, and were also planted during the second half of the 19th century, by Reverend William Hechler, the Father of Christian Zionism, and also called "Herzl's right-hand man". Although I don't usually like to quote Wikipedia, in this case it provides an interesting summary of what is known of the man's activities and their importance at the time:

On 10 March 1896 Herzl recorded in his diary his “first” meeting with Reverend Hechler.

“The Rev. William H. Hechler, chaplain to the British Embassy in Vienna, called on me. A likeable, sensitive man with the long grey beard of a prophet. He waxed enthusiastic over my solution. He, too, regard my movement as a “prophetic crisis” – one he foretold two years ago. For he had calculated in accordance with a prophecy dating from Omar’s reign (637-638) that after 42 prophetical months, that is, 1,260 years, Palestine would be restored to the Jews. This would make it 1897-1898. When he read my book, he immediately hurried to Ambassador Monson (British Ambassador in Vienna) and told him: the fore-ordained movement is here! Hechler declares my movement to be a “Biblical” one, even though I proceed rationally in all points. He wants to place my tract in the hands of some German princes. He used to be a tutor in the household of the Grand Duke of Baden, he knows the German Kaiser and thinks he can get me an audience.”[4]

Less than a week later, Herzl went to see Hechler.
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In his diary, Herzl records his true motivation for coming to see Hechler. Herzl needed Hechler. Herzl had no access to the German Royal family and international legitimacy. He needed Hechler to help gain him entre and hence recognition by a great European power of his ideas re: Political Zionism. Herzl continued in his diary.

“Next we came to the heart of the business. I said to him: I must put myself into direct and publicly known relations with a responsible or non responsible rule – that is, with a minister of state or a prince. Then the Jews will believe in me and follow me. The most suitable personage would be the German Kaiser. But I must have help if I am to carry out the task. Hitherto I have had nothing but obstacles to combat, and they are eating my strength.” Hechler immediately declared that he was ready to go to Berlin and speak with the Court Chaplain as well as with Prince Gunther and Prince Heinrich. Would I be willing to give him the travel expenses? Of course I promised them to him at once. They will come to a few hundred guilders, certainly a considerable sacrifice in my circumstances. But I am willing to risk it on the prospect of speaking with the Kaiser. …To be sure, I think I detect from certain signs that he is a believer in the prophets. He said, for example, “I have only one scruple: namely, that we must not contribute anything to the fulfillment of the prophecy. But even this scruple is dispelled, for you began your work without me and would complete it without me.”………..He considers our departure for Jerusalem to be quite imminent and showed me the coat pocket in which he will carry his big map of Palestine when we shall be riding around the Holy Land together. That was his most ingenious and most convincing touch yesterday.”[5]

Hechler left for Berlin almost immediately but failed to speak with the Kaiser. He returned with a different plan, a different path to the Kaiser. Herzl was a political neophyte and did not know what to do.

On 23 April 1896 Herzl wrote in his diaries of his arrival in Karlsruhe at Hechler’s request.

“Arrived here at eleven last night. Hechler met me at the station and took me to the Hotel Germania, which had been “recommended by the Grand Duke.” We sat in the dining-room for an hour. I drank Bavarian beer, Hechler milk. He told me what had happened. The Grand Duke had received him immediately upon his arrival, but first wanted to wait for his privy-councilor’s report on my Jewish State. Hechler showed the Grand Duke the “prophetic tables” which seemed to make an impression. When the Kaiser arrived, the Grand Duke immediately informed him of the matter. Hechler was invited to the reception and to the surprise of the court-assembly the Kaiser addressed him with the jocular words: “Hechler, I hear you wanted to become a minister of the Jewish State.”

Two days later, on 25 April, Hechler brought a very nervous Theodor Herzl[6] to a private audience with the Grand Duke. It was the first time that Herzl was able to share his vision of Political Zionism and his solution to the “Jewish Problem” with German royalty. The Grand Duke was very taken with Hechler’s eschatological predictions and with Herzl’s pragmatic solution to the Jewish problem through restoration of the Jews to Palestine. The Grand Duke became a lifelong advocate of Herzl and the Zionist cause. He used his office and his relationship with his nephew, Kaiser Wilhelm II to support Herzl and Zionism.
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Throughout 1897, Hechler worked to introduce Herzl to the Christian world, speaking at every opportunity or writing to every interested clergyman.[7] August 1897, Theodor Herzl conferred the First World Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland. Herzl invited Hechler to the Congress as a non-voting delegate denoting him as the “first Christian Zionist.” The Zionist movement was still tiny and was not recognized as legitimate by the majority of Jews or any major European world power. Hechler continued working to secure an audience for Herzl with the Kaiser. Through the German ambassador to Austria, Philipp-Fuerst-von-Eulenburg (1847–1921), whose wife had been a student of Hechler’s, Hechler arranged an introduction to the Ambassador for Herzl. Von Eulenburg was a very close personal friend of the Kaiser’s. Hechler’s plans to bring Herzl before the Kaiser were coming together. The Kaiser was well apprised of Herzl and Zionism through the Grand Duke of Baden who continued his solicitations for Herzl. He was now also approached as to the political expediency of Zionism and Herzl by von Eulenburg.
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During the early fall of 1898, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany planned a trip to Palestine to visit the German settlements there and rededicate Christ Church in Jerusalem. Theodor Herzl was invited to a private audience with Kaiser Wilhelm on 15 October 1898, when the Kaiser stopped in Constantinople for a State visit.

The Kaiser asked Herzl what he wished him to ask of the Sultan:

Wilhelm II, circa 1890
“Tell me in a word what I am to ask the Sultan.’ “A Chartered Company – under German protection,” was Herzl’s request.

It would be the foundational backing and protection for the Jewish State – Herzl’s and Hechler’s goal.

The Kaiser brought the subject up twice with the Sultan. The Sultan refused to consider granting the Jews a charter to Palestine even in return for the Jews assuming the Turkish foreign debt. Palestine, 29 October 1898, outside a small Rothschild funded Jewish agricultural settlement, Herzl publicly awaited the Kaiser on his way to Jerusalem. The Kaiser’s and his cortege stopped to speak briefly with Herzl. It was the first public acknowledgement of Herzl as the leader of the world Zionist movement by a major European power. Photographs were taken of the event but poorly positioned so that only partials of the meeting were actually recorded. A composition of the images was made later for historical and world presentation. On 2 November 1898 Theodor Herzl and the Zionist delegation who accompanied him, formally went to Kaiser Wilhelm’s encampment outside of Jerusalem. Herzl was publicly received. At the public presentation outside of Mikveh, and in Jerusalem, Herzl realized that Kaiser Wilhelm had failed with the Sultan and no longer had interest in him or Zionism. World perception of the German Kaiser’s meeting with Herzl outside of Mikveh and in Jerusalem were the opposite of Herzl’s.

The (London) Daily Mail, the most popular mass newspaper in Great Britain, wrote on Friday 18 November 1898

“An Eastern Surprise Important Result of the Kaiser’s Tour Sultan and Emperor Agreed in Palestine Benevolent Sanction Given to the Zionist Movement One of the most important results, if not the most important, of the Kaiser’s visit to Palestine is the immense impetus it has given to Zionism, the movement for the return of the Jews to Palestine. The gain to this cause is the greater since it is immediate, but perhaps more important still is the wide political influence which this Imperial action is like to have. It has not been generally reported that when the Kaiser visited Constantinople Dr. Herzl, the head of the Zionist movement, was there; again when the Kaiser entered Jerusalem he found Dr. Herzl there. These were no mere coincidences, but the visible signs of accomplished facts.”

The perception of success and the accomplishments were different. Kaiser Wilhelm had backed away from supporting Herzl and Zionism. Herzl thought he failed. Hechler was uncertain but remained steadfast. The world press saw the events as momentous and successful. Hechler had succeeded in bringing political legitimacy to Theodor Herzl and Zionism.

Herzl returned to Vienna as soon as possible. He asked Hechler to try to find out what had gone wrong. Hechler was never successful in determining the events. Herzl turned his attention to gaining access to the Royal House of power in Great Britain. He asked Hechler to intercede but Hechler’s influence and access was to the German court. The Zionist movement under Herzl continued to evolve and grow. Eventually, Hechler would attend five Zionist Congresses as Herzl’s aide and friend. Herzl never succeeded again in gaining access to the courts of power that Hechler had provided.

Due to overwork, stress and preexisting medical conditions, Herzl died on 3 July 1904. He was 44. At his side the day earlier, the last non-family to be with Herzl was Reverend Hechler. Hechler recorded Herzl’s last words, “greet Palestine for me. I gave my heart’s blood for my people.”

Before his death Herzl had asked that the Zionist community remember and honor Hechler for all that he had done for him and Zionism.

Reverend William Hechler was 59 years old when Theodor Herzl died. He remained Chaplain of the British Embassy until 1910, when a new ambassador, arrived who was less tolerant of Hechler’s theism. Hechler retired to Great Britain. Hechler was remembered in Vienna not only for his eccentricities and his support of Zionism but for being a founding member of the First Vienna Football (Soccer) Club. In retirement, Hechler continued spreading the word about Zionism, Herzl and Restorationism. He befriended many people including the great philosopher Martin Buber, the great portrait painter Philip de Laszlo and the head of Scotland Yard, Robert Anderson. Hechler was actively against World War I, which put an end to his romantic dream of unity between the British and German peoples. He may have met Bertha Suttner, the Austrian pacifist.[1] In 1918, Hechler warned the Jewish world that a terrible calamity was coming, one that was of horrific dimensions if the Jews did not return to Palestine. Hechler was 73 years old and had been out of the areas of Jewish influence for a long time. The Jewish community ignored him. Beginning in the late 1920s the Zionist Executive provided a small monthly pension of 10 pounds to Hechler. He worked for Mildmay Hospital,[8] in a minor clerical position, until shortly before his death in 1931. He died alone, leaving the not inconsiderable sum of £1954 16s 11d in his will, living at 80 North Hill Highgate at the time,[9] [although he died in Mildmay hospital] and was buried in an unmarked grave in New Southgate Cemetery, London.[10] In 1934, the Jewish community of Vienna proposed a statue be erected in honor of Reverend Hechler. It was never done. Vienna, by 1934, was already rapidly on the road that would lead to National Socialism (Nazism) and the Jewish Holocaust. Austria was absorbed into Germany during the Anschluss of February 1938.

Hechler lived to see the Political Zionist Movement of Theodor Herzl, that he had worked and succeeded in legitimizing in public opinion, given the backing of a major European world power. Though Hechler failed in his efforts to get German recognition of Zionism, world power recognition of Zionism came from his mother's homeland, Britain, and not his father's, Germany. The British War government of Lloyd George formally proclaimed, in the Balfour Declaration of 2 November 1917, that "His Majesty's government's view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”.

Hechler’s predictions of a coming catastrophe for the Jewish people occurred, 6,000,000 European Jews were murdered from 1939-1945.

Seventeen years after Hechler’s passing the State of Israel came into being, in May 1948.

2010: The forgotten unmarked gravesite of Reverend William Henry Hechler was rediscovered in London. Led by the Jewish American Society for Historic Preservation [11] and the British Christian Zionist Movement, an appropriate graveside memorial was erected on 31 January 2011.[12] Link

By the late 19th century, both Britain and Germany were being relentlessly wooed as potential imperial sponsors for the Zionist project, but the Kaiser proved far less easily manipulated than the British government. Even in the midst of WWI, the Zionists' promise to use their considerable influence with prominent and powerful Jews in America to get America to side with Germany fell on deaf ears. They did, however, find a very favorable reception in Britain, especially when the Zionists hid the fact that they had already been rejected by the Germans, and threatened to have America side with Germany against Britain, in exchange for Palestine. So Hechler's efforts to get Germany to obtain Palestine for the Jews were in vain.

Nevertheless, the "Christian Zionist" movement begun by William Hechler in the 19th century quickly spread to America, greatly facilitated by the Zionist reinterpretation of biblical scriptures contained in the "Scofield Bible", first published by the prestigious British Oxford University Press in 1908 and widely disseminated through a network of very well-funded evangelists and preachers. Scofield himself was no biblical scholar, but a petty and rather unsuccessful con-artist whose fortunes improved dramatically after he hooked up with the wealthy and powerful and well-connected Zionist American Samuel Untermeyer, who became his patron and backer. Scofield's warped version of the King James Bible, in which unconditional support for a war-like Judeo-supremacist state in Palestine is interpreted as the most important religious duty of Christians, has been made into the best-selling book in the US. (In 2011, Oxford University Press hailed it as the best selling book it has ever published in its 500-year history). Today, although hard figures are hard to come by, there is no question that the "Christian Zionist" movement in the US provides crucial support to Israel's violent expansionism, and some estimate that as much as 40% of the funding for the expansion of illegal Jewish colonies on Palestinian land, comes from the pockets of devout worshipers in its churches.

All these seeds, planted by global elites based at the time in Imperial Britain just over a hundred and fifty years ago, and the strange and bloody fruit they have borne, are crucial to understanding the forces that have drawn and re-drawn the map of the Middle East until the present day, and that are still redistributing entire populations and changing borders and creating new configurations as we speak. Also telling are the deep Masonic connections that are present from the very beginning, in the engineered mutations that transformed all three great religious traditions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, into such effective tools for "weaponizing" populations for the geo-strategic objectives that serve the purposes of these global elites at everyone else's expense.

To understand what's happening around us, it's not enough to look at discrete events in the here and now, based on what we are told by the media. History proves that long before world-shaking events occur, the groundwork has been meticulously prepared. In 1916, those who warned that the French and British empires had carved up the Arab nation between themselves were dismissed as crazy conspiracy theorists. In fact, the British had already publicly, in writing, promised the Arabs full independence after the war. The Sykes-Picot agreement was only revealed to be true three years after the secret agreement was signed, in 1919. (And after the Arabs had been duped into helping to defeat the Ottoman Empire on behalf of Britain).

The World Zionist Organization published Oded Yinon's "A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s" in 1982, in which it spells out the Zionist strategy of further fragmenting Arab nation-states into warring sectarian tribes controlling weak and indefensible territories, each with its own militia, and all subject to Zionist hegemony:

Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan. This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today.

Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. It is possible that the present Iranian-Iraqi confrontation will deepen this polarization.

The entire Arabian peninsula is a natural candidate for dissolution due to internal and external pressures, and the matter is inevitable especially in Saudi Arabia. Regardless of whether its economic might based on oil remains intact or whether it is diminished in the long run, the internal rifts and breakdowns are a clear and natural development in light of the present political structure.

Jordan constitutes an immediate strategic target in the short run but not in the long run, for it does not constitute a real threat in the long run after its dissolution, the termination of the lengthy rule of King Hussein and the transfer of power to the Palestinians in the short run.

There is no chance that Jordan will continue to exist in its present structure for a long time, and Israel's policy, both in war and in peace, ought to be directed at the liquidation of Jordan under the present regime and the transfer of power to the Palestinian majority. Changing the regime east of the river will also cause the termination of the problem of the territories densely populated with Arabs west of the Jordan. Whether in war or under conditions of peace, emigration from the territories and economic demographic freeze in them, are the guarantees for the coming change on both banks of the river, and we ought to be active in order to accelerate this process in the nearest future. Link

Whether or not you are willing to see this, the current apocalyptic transformations that are "cauldronizing" the Middle East, are being carried out on the ground by Imperial proxies who were carefully engineered for just this purpose.

Revealing as it is, the Zionist strategy outlined by Oded Yinon tells only part of the story. It leaves unanswered how, precisely the Zionists are to "actively" promote the sectarian/ethnic warfare they so fervently desire. Nor does it explain how all this Arab fragmentation will necessarily catapult Israel into becoming a regional and even a global economic superpower.

No one document will provide us with all the information we need to understand what is being done to the world we live in, conveniently summarized and wrapped up in a neat package. It's up to us to inform ourselves about other, related plans, such as the longstanding partnership between Israel and its Turkish junior partners to monopolize gas pipelines to the European and Asian markets, which necessarily go through Syria and Lebanon, for example. This also helps to explain why so many of the so-called "neocons" [Zionists] in the Bush administration had engaged in spying for Turkey inside the US, and sheds a light on why it was so important to shut down any investigation prompted by Sibel Edmond's whistle-blowing. The meteoric rise of the Muslim Brother Erdogan to the head of the Turkish state, and his deep collaboration with Israel and Zionist elements in the US, Britain and elsewhere to engineer the rise of armed Muslim Brotherhood militias to invade and collapse one Arab state after another in the aftermath of the CIA's "Arab Spring" thus can be understood in light of the Zionist Plan outlined by Oded Yinon (but which is, in fact, the outline of a much older and larger plan).

We also need to understand why so many of those very same "neocons" formulated the Project for the New American Century, and also why the same individuals wrote "A Clean Break" for the Netanyahu government. And why the Office of Special Plans was where the invasion of Iraq was cooked up:

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

"None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.

The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.

In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.

The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister.

The OSP absorbed this heady brew of raw intelligence, rumour and plain disinformation and made it a "product", a prodigious stream of reports with a guaranteed readership in the White House. The primary customers were Mr Cheney, Mr Libby and their closest ideological ally on the national security council, Stephen Hadley, Condoleezza Rice's deputy.

In turn, they leaked some of the claims to the press, and used others as a stick with which to beat the CIA and the state department analysts, demanding they investigate the OSP leads. Link

We need to be much more than passive spectators of whatever show happens to be on. It's a lot easier in the short run, true. And those who manipulate us so expertly always make sure to provide us with lofty-sounding justifications for going along with their agenda, as well as terrible epithets to throw at those who don't. But in the long run, it makes us nothing but patsies and puppets for an agenda that targets all our countries for destruction, not just in the Middle East, difficult as that may be to imagine today. It's always difficult to imagine, until it's too late.

For better and/or for worse, this quote made me think of this thread, although it has an obvious greater relevance to what passes in some parts for "Rigorous Intuition":

The Great Suspicion: Conspiracy Theory and the Mediatainment Complex

…as an alienation that has reached such a degree that [mankind] can experience its own destruction as an aesthetic pleasure of the first order.
……– Walter Benjamin, Notebooks

It’s as if below the surface of our popular conceptions of democracy another world operated, cloaked in secrecy and subterfuge, clandestine and formed by a breakaway faction of bureaucrats, Military-Industrial insiders, and corporate conglomerates outside the normal channels of public and governmental control and observation. I used to think this was all tabloid propaganda, just a conspiracy theory of some out of joint and disgruntled group or individual like those sites you run across like Infowars, David Icke, Tin Wiki, Above Top Secret, and others like them where one discovers an almost crackpot world of mystery religion, New Age obscurantism, Illuminati, Reptilian aliens, and every political die-hard and overdetermined system of total dominion wrapped around a theory that can never be proved or dismissed, with just enough truth in the fictional narrative to appear to appear true rather than actually based on Truth.

That’s what happens when we lose touch with the credibility of our philosophical heritage in skepticism and critical thinking. On one level, such conspiratorial ideas might be attributed simply to the anxieties of a deeply shaken people, desperate to make sense of the shocking events. On another level, however, these and similar beliefs alert us to the existence of significant subcultures far outside the mainstream. Surfacing in times of crisis and bound up with heterodox religion, occult and esoteric beliefs, radical politics, and fringe science, they have had a long-standing and sometimes potent influence in Globalist visions and life-worlds.1 With the recent upsurge in the popular TV show “X-Files” returning with a six episode mini-series that whole great suspicion rises up again: “Trust no one!” and “The Truth is out there!” being the bi-modal themes of this world-view.

The Mediatainment industry seems to thrive on this worldview offering film after film or popular television series to feed the mania. Every major medium, from films to television shows, books, magazines, music and, the most fertile ground for the conspiracy culture, the Internet has to some extent been devoted to helping conspiracy theorists confirm what they, in their heart of hearts, have always known to be true. Here in America it seems to permeate the atmosphere like a stench. For over four decades, the American popular imagination has been captured by ever more byzantine conspiracy theories. Extensive subcultures of true believers, those unwilling to subscribe to any idea of a consensus reality, the malcontents, the suspicious and the cynics have been charging that the world is not as it appears to be. The world we live in, according to these suspicious-minded individuals, does not run the way cultural institutions like schools, the government, organized religions and scientists would like us to believe. We are being lied to, we are being duped, we have been brainwashed into a false consciousness. ness. Vast networks of power brokers, shadowy, interconnected cabals of the wealthy, the powerful, and the politically connected have been deceiving us all. Nothing is as it appears to be.

As Barna William Donovan remarks conspiracy theories, whether on the Internet, in speculative literature, on television, in bestselling novels, or the movies are here to stay. They are a natural byproduct of an ever more complex, bureaucratic, often overwhelming modern world.

Excerpted from: https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/2 ... -struggle/

AD's article:

with just enough truth in the fictional narrative to appear to appear true rather than actually based on Truth.

Could you let me know where yourself and SC Hickman are getting The Truth from?

Is it in a book, is it a verbalisation passed from parent to child or did you see The Truth in a dream? Is it God talking to you?

American Dream » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:29 pm wrote:For better and/or for worse, this quote made me think of this thread, although it has an obvious greater relevance to what passes in some parts for "Rigorous Intuition":

The contrast between Alice's piece in which is a great interplay between clearly sourced factual data and her own thinking, clearly presented as such, and which you do not even comment on, versus the above associational self-inflated fogweed, is total.

Thank you, Alice. I found the information of pre-Herzl "proto-Zionist" forces fascinating and new.