dyncorp, age of consent, plain 'ol human decency

[Ted the dog]

I was doing some thinking after reading about the Maple Leaf Gardens scandal in relation to the post about the sexual abuse survivors monument.<br><br>What if the age of consent was rolled back to, say, something like 13 years old? Would people just go out and start trying to have sex with 13 year olds? What I mean is, would the average guy all of a sudden just figure, "Shit, it's legal now isn't it?"?<br><br>Personally, I'm 28 and I can't even imagine sleeping with an 18 year old, let alone anyone younger.<br><br>The other thing I started thinking about is the Dyncorp stuff....I'm pretty sure everyone knows about that, so I guess there's no need to recap....but using that as an example, it sounds like what we have in that case is a bunch of Dyncorp employees going to work overseas and for some reason, feeling that because they were in a war torn country, it's perfectly acceptable to start sleeping with 13 year old girls...even "owning" them in several cases.<br><br>Why? what would make a man feel that it would be ok to force a child to have sex with him? I'm not talking about pedophiles in the usual sense of the word...I'm talking about the average guy...the guy that would otherwise be having sex with someone around his own age. what is it about being in a country where he could get away with it, that makes him decide to do it? how does someone even go through the thought process that makes even CONSIDERING it as a possibility?<br><br>Like I said earlier, if the age of consent was somehow rolled back, would we see adults walking around having sex with children? does the "urge" to force a child into a sexual situation reside in more people than you would otherwise think?<br><br>maybe because we live in the "civilized first world", where the facts of things like the Dyncorp Scandal, the Franklin Scandal and the Presdio Scandal, are played down and "forgotten" or thrown into the "tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut" dust bin, we forget that average human beings, if given the leeway, might take advantage of some pretty horrific "privileges"....and not give a flying fuck about their fellow human beings...of legal age or otherwise.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Rambuncle]

I would think that situations like that come up more in situations like war. The individual feels powerless to control everything around them. Being in physical/sexual control of person allows the controlling individual to feel that they have absolute power over at least one individual. This calms them, and helps them deal with the chaos that is going on all around them. Also, someone who might get told what to do all day would like to come home and tell someone else what to do the rest of the day. <p></p><i></i>

[Ted the dog]

..possibly...but I also seem to remember the articles written on the dyncorp scandal painting a slightly different picture. <br><br> although the dyncorp employees WERE in a war-torn area, it sounded to me like they were still relativley safe for the most part. They had houses, they had military protection, I think they even worked on some sort of "base". (I could be wrong there though)....the article also brought up the fact that these guys really WEREN'T being told what to do. drug abuse and drinking on the job were rampant. I don't think these guys were on a very tight leash, as the actual "supervisor" (or similar position) was one of the key people involved with setting up a sort of "exchange" with the romanian mafia. basically the "exchange" was pretty basic...13 year old girls for money. the employees involved would "own" the girls by buying their passports from the mafia. the girls were often then kept as sex slaves in the houses these guys lived in. <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

is 14 years of age. Make of that what you will. That's actually fairly normative for human societies, historically speaking. <br><br>In California, it's 18. That's too old, I think. 16 sounds more reasonable to me. But I don't find Canada's age of consent to be a symptom of the moral degeneracy of their society. I think that it's normal for humans to find other humans sexually desirable from the outset of their phsical sexual maturation. <br><br>I wouldn't be surprised if Canada were to eventually raise the age of consent, though, since word is getting out, and the country is becoming a destination for sex tourism. <br><br>To me, the low age mentioned in the Dyncorp scandals- 13- is an adjunct to the wider problem of sexual exploitation, human trafficking, and sexual slavery. <br><br>One of the ironies of high age-of-consent laws is that the people who break them- chronically, repeatedly- tend to be physically tough criminal sociopaths who don't feel particularly threatened by incarceration. <br><br>Nice guys who can't do the time are the ones who tend to take themselves out of the running, including those seeking relationships of serious courtship and prospective marriage. The unwary ones who get apprehended and convicted for statuatory rape typically get treated as the equivalent to child molesters, once behind bars. I think most of the readers know what that implies, as far as their treatment by other inmates. <br><br>If anyone wants to acquaint themselves with perhaps the worst institutional shame in American society, visit the Stop Prison Rape site on the Internet. But be forewarned. The first-person victim accounts can make for horrific reading. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://spr.org/">spr.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Offenders imprisoned for statutory rape are often targeted for the worst sexual abuse- even moreso than those confined for other non-violent offenses who find themselves out of their element in jail and prison surroundings. <br><br>Nevertheless, in the majority of unwed teen pregnancies, the father is over 21. Consdier the dynamics of that. . <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

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[lilorphant]

There is no doubt in my mind that if their was no social or legal prohibition to sex with young girls, you would see more of it. <br><br>I have met older men (30's, 40's) who live with young girls, my teen friends often picked up after school and dropped off a block away from home. I know of many many many girls who have been coerced sexually as teens by older men, it is almost a right of passage.<br><br>You just have to open your eyes to see it. Go to the beach and watch the adult men ogle at prepubescent girls in bikinis. Look at the sexualization of girls, while boys are chemically castrated. <br><br>The damage to the social fabric of those countries is permanent. Trust between the sexes in healthy relationships between peers is undermined. Young men are ridden with anxiety and become rebellious and violent.<br><br>The illusion is that we can build a nation that we have raped. Without sexual solidarity, there is no hope to rebuild a society,especially if you take the position that families are a basic unit. These girls and their counterparts (teen boys) ought to be about the business of building their lives and eventually starting their own families, but they are forever scarred by sexual enslavement. <p></p><i></i>

[wolf pauli]

And the winner in the highest age of consent stakes: Madagascar at 21. <br> <p></p><i></i>