Shapeshifting

proldic · Post by **proldic** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:12 pm

Courtesy of a friend: Will the real John Perkins please stand up? John Perkins represents the most deeply nefarious of CIA "limited hangouts". Among many other questionable statements, Perkins says that: A.The World Bank was created to help poor people. It's merely gone astray (the last line of the Democracy Now interview). B.It's not about capitalism and socialism; the concepts are irrelevant. C.All terrorism and hatred against the U.S. and the "west" occur because of reactionary "blowback". So who is this guy? According to his web site he's written tons of new age books about "shapeshifting". It seems he's shapeshifted himself from CIA agent to left-wing hero. Shapeshifting is the transformation of oneself into a completely different individual; it's a very popular concept in the CIA culture, changing identity... Get it? Perkins is a black magician.

Rigorous Intuition · Post by **Rigorous Intuition** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:53 pm

I've seen the name "John Perkins" associated with work intended to make the subject of shapeshifting respectable, but hadn't made the connection that this is the same guy. (That's some good shifting, Mr Perkins.) Thanks proldic; this is fascinating, and possibly quite important. Here's Perkins, from <a href="http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/johnperkins3.html" target="top">"Spirit of Maat"</a>: For definitional purposes we can talk about Shapeshifting occurring on three different levels: The first is cellular, and that is when a person of an indigenous culture shapeshifts into a plant or animal, or in our culture when a cancer grows in someone and then miraculously disappears. The second level is personal Shapeshifting. That is when we decide to transform our personality -- and usually that means becoming more of what we most expect in ourselves. It might mean when a person honors themselves as a good writer or a better dancer or politician. It could also mean transforming an addiction. ... During the process of writing the book Shapeshifting, I found that many people had the opinion that cellular shapeshifting, where people become jaguars and plants, was important years ago for indigenous peoples and cultures that had to escape from enemies in the forest, or hunt down buffalo and other animals -- but was not important in this day and age and probably doesn't occur anymore. I disagree. I have seen a lot of very significant cellular Shapeshifting around the world. There are lamas in Tibet who fly across mountains and melt snow with the heat of their bodies, and shamans in the Amazon who become jaguars, and people in this country who miraculously get cured of cancers. I think cellular Shapeshifting is very important, because when we cellular Shapeshift, we realize that we really are one with everything. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/30/05 10:54 am

Qutb · Post by **Qutb** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:05 pm

Whatever else he might be, he is a descendant of one of the Boston brahmin opium-trafficking families, the Perkinses. Like John Forbes Kerry, he is about as blue-blood as you get in America. (<a href="http://www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/NewsManager/ShowNewsGen.aspx?NewsID=985" target="top">Here's</a> a good article on the Forbes family, by the way. Especially interesting to note the relationship between Kerry's grandfather James Grant Forbes and Jean Monnet, the founding father of the European Union) Perkins does seem tailor-made to seduce "anti-globalization" left-wingers with his talk about spirituality and the rainforest and shamans and so on. That doesn't necessarily mean he isn't for real, but I don't trust him. With the caveat that I haven't read "Economic Hit Man" yet (or anything else he has written), I've only listened to some interviews.

Rigorous Intuition · Post by **Rigorous Intuition** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:11 pm

<a href="http://www.ofspirit.com/carolbedrosian9.htm" target="top">here</a>: Shapeshifting is really about recognizing our true oneness with everything else. Separateness is just an illusion. When you shapeshift into what we call "the other," you are manifesting that philosophy of oneness on a physical plane. Once you've done it, you never have any doubts again about our true nature as one with everything. It's hard for people coming from other cultural and educational backgrounds to accept the fact that people become jaguars or trees, but in another sense it is very easy for us to accept the fact that we have an incredible cellular shapeshifting capacity. ... if there is a large business (let's take a Walmart) and you can really create a shapeshift within that organization, you can have a tremendous effect in the larger picture. I will say from the shapeshifting standpoint you can deal with the bigger organizations just as well as the small. The oil companies are one of my greatest enemies because they do a lot of destruction in the Amazon and hurt a lot of the people that I've spent the last 30 years living and working with. Yet I've seen British Petroleum has had an incredible turn around in the past couple of years. They've gone through an amazing shapeshift. It is happening.

Qutb · Post by **Qutb** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:36 pm

So British Petroleum went through an "incredible shapeshift", ey? That's what they want us to believe, in any case. They're supposedly the green, post-modern indian-friendly oil company, so different from their brutish American "competitors". Like Royal Dutch Shell, which is really into alternative energy and whose "scenario planning division", founded by a disciple of Russian mystic Gurdijeff, amazingly predicted the oil crisis in 1972, one year before they attended the Bilderberg meeting in Sweden where the "oil crisis" was planned. Thanks for digging up this, my suspicions about Mr. Perkins are growing.

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:55 pm

Shapeshifters take many forms, most inhabit the front pages of behind the scenes political power, the hollywood elites, Pop Stars and royalty. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> If you are afforded enough time to sit in front of a real shapeshifter and are able to withold your disbelief for long enough you will see they shift to multiple beings, most human, some not. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"> These are the possesed, when you contact with this form and they can see that you can see them, they try to flirt, scare or control. If you hold your resolve, they bolt, usually freeing the person they have inhabited. Shamans take many forms, good and bad. The egoless (held) shamens are the safest. So, the term being used here is perhaps a way of getting google to pack 1000's of pages on what is traditionally called "Transformation" "Re-Invention" etc. Unless it is of a transpersonal nature, it is all bunkum. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Rites of passage can effect enough empathy to become a person or animal. In the West we lost our traditional rites of passage many lifetimes ago.

rain · Post by **rain** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:52 pm

so, seen any black panthers lately ? now where's that stick to hit someone with. just a word. they're not possessed. it's CHOICE. every breath you take, every move you make...

dbeach · Post by **dbeach** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:13 pm

shape shifting occurs on the best and worst of waves.. david icke luvs this topic Is shape shifting a physical manifestation or a symbolic or metaphorical one?? I NEVER took peyote but have heard of the goddess mesacalita who seems to be a shape shifter but neither good nor evil..teachings of don juan the socerro shifteed to being a wolf.. The cosmos has many wonders for our inquisitive minds and I have seen a few unexpainable phenomenon have read that each individual is an actual replica of the creation and within us all is a solar system complete with the milky way and the rest of the universe????

DrDebugDU · Post by **DrDebugDU** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:35 pm

I don't know anything about shapeshifting, but this is apoint where I have a philosophy about > have read that each individual is an actual replica of the creation and within us all is a solar system complete with the milky way and the rest of the universe???? Every part holds inside the whole. That means that ever person is a reflection of the universe and even every molecule is a reflection of all. In that philosophy there is no smallest and no largest, because every element is nothing but an illusion by definition and therefore becomes a reflection of the entire illusion. Science has already proven that there is no matter, but just energy and energy is just a vibration of nothing. (Buddhism and Hinduism have similar strategies). Since every object has parts, each part is a reflection of the object. Since neither object nor part exists in reality it is merely an illusion. So every part whether it is small (an atom) or huge (a galaxy) is a reflection of the entire realm of possibilities. I know this is a hard read, but that means that small and big are just relative terms. Neither really exists since there is no smallest nor a largest. We can only perceive things upto a certain level, so we call an atom the smallest and the universe the largest. They themselves are a part of a greater part and consist of parts as well. Ad infinitum, since every object reflects the great part. When I say "reflect" I mean that it is not equal to, but derived from the great part. It is not the same, but is not seperate nor independent. There is a wonderful parabel about this in the Early Christian Gnostic Writings of the Gospel of Thomas <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: all came forth from me, and all attained to me. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Pick up a stone, and you will find me there." The Gospel of Thomas <a href="http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen06.html">www.near-death.com/experi...gen06.html</a> <hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 7/30/05 6:49 pm

Bondo · Post by **Bondo** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:58 am

if this is the same John Perkins who wrote the book "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" then he is either trying to get back into the good graces of the American elite or a false flag oprator still working for the American East Coast establishment.

monkeymcgee · Post by **monkeymcgee** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:33 pm

I think a lot of people have misread or been misinformed about Perkin's Economic Hitman book. I didn't find him to be sympathetic at all (you can see my review here, if you'd like: <a href="http://monkeymcgee.com/mmwr/?p=1000">monkeymcgee.com/mmwr/?p=1000</a> ). Probably the most interesting thing about it was the NSA recruited Perkins based largely on his personality type. Since that job involved a great deal of deception and duplicity, I'd suggest that his non-NSA activities (if he's ever stopped working for them) has just been a continuation of those traits. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=monkeymcgee@rigorousintuition>monkeymcgee</A> at: 7/31/05 11:20 am

mmacauley · Post by **mmacauley** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:53 pm

I don't know John Perkins, and I haven't read his book (though read/heard about it from several sources). I didn't know about his other "lives", either, until this post. But checking out his website, I came across the following page: <a href="http://www.johnperkins.org/about_the_author.htm">www.johnperkins.org/about_the_author.htm</a> which begins: "John Perkins has lived four lives: as an economic hit man (EHM); as the CEO of a successful alternative energy company, who was rewarded for not disclosing his EHM past; as an expert on indigenous cultures and shamanism, a teacher and writer who used this expertise to promote ecology and sustainability while continuing to honor his vow of silence about his life as an EHM; and as a writer who, in telling the real-life story about his extraordinary dealings as an EHM, has exposed the world of international intrigue and corruption that is turning the American republic into a global empire despised by increasing numbers of people around the planet." Read the rest of the page, and come to your own conclusions. Personally, I find his story credible, in the absence of contradictory evidence. Much as we might despise organizations like the CIA for many of the things done in their name, it's foolish to assume that every CIAgent fits a certain stereotype. As far as I know, we're all human, and we each have our own unique history, psychology, and nature which leads us to act and feel and think in our own way in various situations. And futhermore, we are each changing, not constant, and can (potentially) transform ourselves into, at best, a "completely different individual", at least insofar as there is continuity between the old and the new "us". I'm not saying all or most people make such a transformation, nor that John Perkins did either. But there are plenty of examples of people who join the military, for example, and after fighting in a war, realize that the military was not what they thought it to be when the joined, and become a C.O. or peace activist or some such. I imagine the same may be true with some people and the CIA, or big business, or politics, or many other realms of work which are not what they seem. Think what you want about John Perkins, and by all means ask questions, but let's not be so quick to stereotype people based on what we judge to be poor/misinformed decisions or ideas in a person's past. I don't know about all of you, but there was a time not too long ago in my life when I thought Bin Laden and his crew of 19 Arabs single-handedly committed the acts of murder on 9/11, and when I thought the corporate news media was in the news business, and when I thought that the Federal Reserve was federal and that Federal Reserve Notes were money, and that the IRS was basically legit, and so on. When I think of that, it's easier for me to sympathize with people who may be well-intentioned and even reasonably intelligent, but who are blissfully ignorant about all of these things (and many more). So just because someone is apparently misinformed about XYZ, I'm not going to dismiss everything they have to say or automatically assume they're spreading disinformation. After all, how many of us are truly well informed about everything, and have never (or nevermore will) unknowingly spread misinformation about something?

monkeymcgee · Post by **monkeymcgee** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:11 pm

All I can say is based on his own story, it doesn't sound right to me. My "rigorous intuition" isn't buying it. Look, if he had such a huge change of heart why did he: 1. Continue working with MAIN long after he realize how evil what he was doing. 2. Continue consulting for MAIN even after he finally worked up enough nerve to quit. 3. Start up an alternative energy company and then turn around and sell it to an oil company after it started doing well. All the while he portrays himself as a martyr and so enlightened. People can change. No doubt about it. But when you read this guy's own words, tell me he's not trying to sell you something that doesn't quite smell right. I'm not going to jump to conclusions about him because he was NSA (not CIA), but I don't think I'm being unfair when I judge him based on what he says about himself. On the other hand, anyone who has been discovered to be or acknowledges that he worked for some intelligence outfit (paticularly the more spooky ones, like NSA) has to be viewed more closely than most. After all, these people are in the business of deception and they are much better at it than most. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=monkeymcgee@rigorousintuition>monkeymcgee</A> at: 7/31/05 4:17 pm

robertdreed · Post by **robertdreed** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:26 pm

I suppose I'll have to read both Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man and Stiglitz's book on the international lending world. I've already read one history of the World Bank, a history that seems to be a combination of good intentions, mismanagement, corruption, rapacity...I would expect no less. Par for the course. But possibly remediable. I think that the role of the World Bank is often misapprehended or overrated by confusion with the Import-Export Bank. The current President Bush has hugely increased the amount of money available for the Export-Import Bank to loan, incidentally. The World Bank- <a href="http://www.worldbank.org/">www.worldbank.org/</a> The Export-Import Bank <a href="http://www.exim.gov/">www.exim.gov/</a> Related sites <a href="http://www.frontiergroup.com/relatedsites.htm">www.frontiergroup.com/relatedsites.htm</a> I think Reagan's first director of the EIB was Willam Draper 3rd. Draper has a long-time hookup to the Bush crowd. I think the current President Bush had Mel Sembler in there for a while, but I'm not sure what happened with that appointment...(first draft, I suppose I'll update and edit.) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 7/31/05 4:41 pm

AnnaLivia · Post by **AnnaLivia** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:11 pm

Quote monkeymcgee’s review about Perkins: “…his “reflective” moments are totally devoid of any kind of real admission of guilt. He constantly blames others for the choices he has made. …Repeatedly he claimed these “epiphanies” where he’d realize all the evil he had done with these economic manipulations that resulted in a lot of suffering. Then he would turn around and do it again. Even after quitting, he stayed on a retainer to do other work….” Thanks for your great review. Wouldn’t it be awful to be him, with so much mother-and-child-death on his hands. “Then he would turn around and do it again.” Ew. Dare I say, as in this case of mr perkins and his motives, choices, and credibility…that sometimes it just doesn’t take a whole lot of analysis to get the synthesis of a thing? Doesn’t blatant insincerity count for an awful lot? Walk, talk, act…I’m pretty sure we’ve got ourselves a duck, here. seems like a waste of time trying to sort the lies from the possible few truths coming from people like this. gees i try not to think in black and white, but i do tend to just look elsewhere for information, and write such persons off as disingenous and not to be trusted. Thanks to you all for this thread. It’s as good to know what blind alleys not to go down, as it is to be made aware of paths you didn’t see for yourself. This forum is good for both! That term “shapeshifting” sure gets bandied about a lot. Seems to mean something different to everyone. I mean…shapeshifting a corporation? What was wrong with the word change, or reform, or even re-invent? What is mystical or magical about making a corporation stop doing dirty deeds? And people don’t grow now, mature and change…they shapeshift? This term has the problem of not meaning what it means... pretty big stretch to attempt to equate all change with people actually turning into trees and animals. how come one of these shapeshifters doesn't turn themselves into a deadly bacterium and go visit all the billionaires and trillionaires? i'd gladly do that in a heartbeat, if i knew how. it'd be quicker than deconstructing them, and we need to hurry. just ask a starving person.

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