Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

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Postby Trifecta » Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:26 am

Appendix, renal and heart problems...who knows maybe this thread has a greater value than anticipated, what don't kill ya makes you stronger.

CC, you raise some excellent points all through this thread, your personal experience has not been shared in any depth, but your graphic illustration is enough to demonstrate how SS is a red flag to a bull. Please continue to contribute to this thread.

LillyPat, your response has the hallmark of what CC is talking about, and having re-read this whole thread a couple of times, well, lets just say keywords jump out form each and everyone of your posts. I felt particular triggers coming from the words slave...nest pa? That said, victim or survior, we come here for the same reasons..answers to the bigger questions.

Who pushes the controllers????

And with the clear eyes of all constituent parts in focus. (cheers Donavan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkck99hyYWk&mode=related&search= mckenna on UFO's and science.

The best advice on this thread is laugh at them all, (cheers Joe) they have no power over your soverignty, never have and as Shawnna says the truth is within you.

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This is how "survivor wars" are begun

Postby LilyPatToo » Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:34 pm

Did it ever occur to you, Osculum, that to simply be capable of using the word "slave" without shaking like a leaf took me close to a year? Or that I might be using it to be precise and accurate about the opinion of MC survivors that the Controllers hold?

Nope. Instead, I'm attempting to deliberately trigger people....! Think again...this is how "survivor wars" are begun and I'd prefer not to do that here at Jeff's board.

Still, when you make an accusation like the one above, you give me an opportunity to clarify points that are important if people are to understand mind control programs. In this case--triggers and the tendency for our damage to make us overly-suspicious and over-ready to be assume the worst of each other's motives.

In a thread about government mind control, I tend not to post trigger warnings. That's because I assume that any survivor of any kind of torture that included trigger programming is automatically aware that the discourse is going to inevitably contain terms that might be triggers. Perhaps that's a mistake on my part. The problem is that every single post I make would then have to have *TRIGGER WARNING* as its first line :shock: Do you really believe that would be helpful?

And even then, anyone who's looking for a fight will still be able to accuse me of posting triggers with malice aforthought, won't they? I'm not and never have. But thank you for bringing the subject up so that I can post some links and talk about it.

Triggers are programmed into survivors of Ritual Abuse, whether it's govt. sponsored or private Cult programs. They allow instant penetration of a survivor's defenses with a single word or gesture. That sort of control over another human being is what sociopaths exist for, so it's done carefully and often in a very systematic way, so that it can be used by handlers working in a variety of related programs.

When a trigger is used correctly, the result is instantaneous. I tend to react by blanking out and losing time (due to alter switching) myself. But other survivors have told me that for them it causes panic attacks that are incapacitating--they retain consciousness, but are very vulnerable as they struggle to regain control of their bodies, which are in full fight-or-flight mode.

Again--it is not possible to discuss mind control in depth without using some of those words. If the discussion avoids all of them (there are hundreds, if not thousands of them), then it will of necessity be very superficial or impossibly wordy and difficult to read, as the author struggles to find synonyms for all of them.

Triggers are known about and used in NLP and its forms used in merchandising, too, but those are very different from the words MC handlers use on their subjects. The effects are similar though--a person is manipulated and their free will is suspended. To me, that is never excusable and is profoundly unethical, but many people disagree with me on that....mostly people who've never survived a MC program.

Triggers have been deliberately used on survivors in the thread on MC that I tend on the Black Vault. If you're still unclear on whether or not I am posting them, I invite you to go there and read--the sociopaths there actually brag about doing it :roll: Handlers are more subtle, but their intent is pretty clear once you know their aims. Recognizing your own triggers is very empowering and can sharply reduce their effects, so that's what I try to do when it happens to me.

I'm still too triggered by it to read it through, but the Springmeier/Wheeler material is the most complete collection of specific triggers available online. It goes without saying that most survivors should not read it, but friends may be willing to search it for you--that's what I do -- http://www.whale.to/b/sp/for.html

http://www.theuniversalseduction.com/articles/mind-control-themes-and-programming-triggers-in-movies

http://www.whale.to/b/rm8.html

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Postby sunny » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:27 pm

This is a fascinating thread, truly.

LilyPat, thank you so much for the link from Cannon on "The Controllers." I have never read such a comprehensive nuts and bolts overview of gov't mind control programs.

BTW, this whole thread has me seeing mc victims everywhere. See my thread on the Astronaut "scandal" being hyped right now.
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Positive feedback! (am I dreaming?)

Postby LilyPatToo » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:56 pm

I'm so glad to hear from you, sunny! Did you know that Cannon, after uncovering that astounding wealth of information, was hounded from the field? That's simply appalling. I would have expected the intelligence community to turn on him, but the fact that the UFO/alien abductee community did so too just floored me at first. Now, of course, I'm the scarred veteran of several years of online posting about this subject, so it's not as surprising anymore...just disappointing. I'd not been aware of the almost religious mindset of many abductees about their alien captors. Live and learn.

From what I've read online, Cannon was forced to publically disown that book or be shunned by the spooks entirely. And since he earns his living writing about US intel subject matter, it was a case of losing his sources--all of them--or repudiating his own carefully researched and brilliantly original work. He found out first-hand what happens to "nails that stick up" and got hammered down hard.

But "The Controllers" remains up online and available to anyone interested in an inside look at the methods of the MC creeps, so all was not lost. (And I'll betcha he got accused of deliberately triggering survivors, too :wink:)

I'll look for more info on the current astronaut mess--I'm not up to speed on it at all.

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Postby sunny » Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:09 pm

Lilypat, no not suprising and yes appalling. I'm glad to hear he still alive, at least.

I understand the reluctance of some abductees to wrap their minds around his material. After all, one has to go from believing beings from another world who have our best interests at heart are contacting them, to believing disgusting fascists have perpetrated an evil fraud on their minds and bodies. I know you understand this dichotomy, LilyPat, and I applaud the courage of your convictions.
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***TRIGGER WARNING***

Postby LilyPatToo » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:09 pm

I've come across an article online that I think is a pretty good summation of what is known and suspected about the trauma-based mind control program known as Project Monarch here -- http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1524021 This thread has ranged far and wide and I think it might help to provide a summary of the MC side of the picture.

There is also a summation-type article on the alien abduction side of the story here -- http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/alienz.html

And before the outrage resumes--my standard, newly-expanded and deeply-felt disclaimer:

I do NOT agree with Cannon or anyone who says that ALL alien abductions are faked by human intel agents. I believe that some or even most apparent alien abductions ARE done by apparent non-humans. If you are an alien abductee, PLEASE don't leap to the conclusion that any and all discussion of the human-instigated abductions that I post are aimed at you. They are not and never were, at least on my part. ALL of my posts on this subject may contain triggering terms for MC survivors, but language will never be used gratuitously or deliberately to trigger anyone or ever has been, at least on my part.

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Postby OpLan » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:37 pm

aoplogies for grabbing the wheel for a second..
Wombaticus Rex wrote:
EDIT: I'm also struck by the long, long track record of "impending doom" messages with specific deadlines that come and go. A lot of contactees have been left holding the bag.

(Cosmic Cowbell)
As I've mentioned before, a big difference between Contactee's and Abductees. I doubt if you could show me one case where an Abductee has made an impending doom prediction, basically because they are -never- shown specific time frames and usually don't seek the limelight, unlike 'Contactees'. They are shown only what may (IMO) happen...over and over and over again.


A russian Ufologist,Valery Uvarov, thinks that ET has a device which takes a hologram copy of the contacts present, past and possible future lives;but they also need a key to read it,which is how you personally process the world.So they tell you about some impending doom,and as you process the info,they can take a copy of your thought processes. they can then go store it with the rest wherever they want.
I didn't reply straight away,because I couldnt remember where I had seen the interview, but I just found it here.Its from "Secret Space",which is a good sci-fi flick if nothing else.the relevant interview starts at 3 min.34ish.
There's plenty of room in that scenario for spooks in masks to take advantage,though.
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Wow, a new idea!

Postby LilyPatToo » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:55 am

That's the first original theory of why aliens might abduct humans that I've heard in many years. I've no way of telling if it's correct, but I thank you for posting the link to the video. I listen to everything (or as much as I have time to listen to) about possible real alien abductions in order to be clearer in my own mind about what might be happening there.

Back in 1965, in Indiana PA, I saw a UFO one winter night and for many years I believed that my recurrent missing time experiences were due to alien abductions. Then during the 80's-early 90's I had some partially-remembered daylight abductions that included military personnel and that made me persona non grata in the West Coast abductee community.

Online, people were somewhat more welcoming, until I finally figured out that my experiences fit precisely with the mind control explanation and not very well at all with the alien one. The nicer people still spoke to me, bless them. But I know many abductees now and I still have that unexplained UFO sighting, so that subject is still of great interest to me.

Sure do wish the Russian researcher had gone more into how he came to believe what he does about the hologram recordings and the keys. The idea must have come from somewhere....right?

I know enough about basic science to be pretty skeptical of most of the other explanations for alien abductions. The chances that any alien species would be at ALL similar to us is, IMHO, utter bunk. They would be truly *alien*--perhaps so much so that we wouldn't even recognize them as living beings at first. The SETI project is so brave and naive and--to me--utterly silly, that I've switched my hope that we'll find evidence of alien intelligent life to UFOs.

While many of them are probably "black" US tech projects--some perhaps back-engineered from crashed vehicles--some seem to me to be likely to be alien. Perhaps not from other planets, but from other realities or dimensions...which to me is even more interesting than little gray or green men from Mars.

What I mistrust, personally, are the spooks who infest the UFO world and who spread such carefully crafted disinformation that even brilliant minds are ensnared and led astray. I think that the very last people we should trust when it comes to UFOs and aliens are former or current employees of the intelligence agencies or the military/industrial complex. I know, first-hand, that they have a filthy and very dangerous secret to conceal and that they are shamelessly expoiting the public's interest to keep their crimes against humanity a secret.

So my dream of alien contact is a bit different from most people's, but I still have one. I'd love for an alien species to contact the human race and expose the lies of the intel/military/industrial complex about alien abduction. I'd hope that they will have arrived at an ethical point in their species' developement where the egregious abuses that are being carried out in their name appalls them enough to impel them to communicate with us.

My fingers are crossed.

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Bunk

Postby professorpan » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:45 am

I know enough about basic science to be pretty skeptical of most of the other explanations for alien abductions. The chances that any alien species would be at ALL similar to us is, IMHO, utter bunk.


I don't buy that argument, LilyPat. Evolutionary biology in another part of the universe may also favor bilaterally symmetrical, two-legged mammals with binocular vision. Maybe the template or morphogenetic field that patterns humans is a common one.

We just don't know.
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You have it. It is taped behind picture of your mother.

Postby Donovan » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:45 am

All communication begins with a ‘Yes’ ‘Yes’, a double-yes handshake of understanding. Is it this? No. That? No. Until two ‘yes’s. Start looking at the concept from point of view of ships identifying themselves in time of war. If a ship is coming at you through the fog the gunners have their hands on the triggers waiting for orders. Who shoots first may win. You are the radio operator. What is the critical question? Who are you? That is what the UFOologists keep asking. What is the continued reply?

In the John Walker spy case Witworth tried to turn himself into the FBI. To do so he used the classified section of the Los Angeles Times. He signed his messages RUS someplace USA. They knew he was trained. Standard teaching. Gunners waiting for orders. Who are you? Morse: The first letter is R. What is this? Could be the start of ‘Russian’. Could be start of short hand “Are ( R ) you….” Fine, second letter is U. Could be start of ‘Russian’,. Could be start of “Are you Spanish…?” So, with hand on gun-lanyards waiting… even the next letter is not clear…, RUS… It is the next letter.

The problem with UFOologists is that they are UFOologists. This is bringing in everything, science, psychology, politics.., all of it. Again, Hill 60, Silva Bay, an entire regiment abducted in broad daylight. But seeming to point to one of the biggest double crosses. Kitchener’s career goes down the tubes. Kamel sends ten full divisions into the underbelly of Russia. UFO buffs don’t see this. Why? Because they are looking for UFOs.

Another thread asked about UFO symbols. But the message keeps coming back. “We understand you. You don’t understand us.” Whatever the phenomena is - it keeps broadening the parameters.

Skull and Bones is an optional pennant. It is a ‘yes’ for a ‘yes’ but never raised until AFTER you have begun to fire. You are who? “Yes” (Jolly): “Yes” (Roger) Gunpowder to hasty pudding.

Secret government can mimic some of the phenomena but a closer look shows the government on the run from it. Very different sets of ‘controllers’. One comparatively childish. The thread that asked about UFO symbols failed to realize that it is asking us to rethink some of ours, particularly cabala. Cabala map in reap fields. Hebrew letters in wheat near Santa Barbara. It asks us all to be renaissance. Only then will we begin to get a ‘yes’ in return.

Latest flaps seem to target inner finances, London, Charlotte (Bank of America). I don’t know. Just a thought. Who am I asking?
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Postby jingofever » Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:18 am

I have only skimmed a couple pages here, it all looks interesting and I will get around to reading this thread more thouroughly, but first... the defunct user dreamsend has a blog HERE with content that seems to intersect nicely with this thread. If it doesn't quite fit, pretend that I said something profound instead.
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Postby OpLan » Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:47 am

the whole scene is a deceptive tangled mess.I wish I could remember who it was that called the ufo crowd "the nastiest bunch of people he's ever had to work with."
It doesn't help matters that the alien experience is not the same for everyone.I posted in that brazilian ufologist thread that a story of mutilated cadavers in a mortuary seemed to get the investigators military contact to clam up and advised him to do the same.Jeff has wrote about the vicious lazer beam attacks under the atmospheric anomaly over south america.you have the spooks in masks taking advantage of the snowball they have helped to create with the roswell saucer announcement/retraction,and you have the church suppressing ufo eyewitness reports at the fatima incident to push the BVM angle,along with fundamental christians who say its the lord of the flies come to deceive us..then push for the apocalypse.
Its also doesn't help that the most prominent people who act as our eyes in space is the pentagon via nasa..and once you hear about von brauns deathbed confession of fake alien invasion,how can you tell what the hells going on.
Corsos son,touts the theory that roswell was from a future mankind who have tampered with time,and have sent a ufo into our present to keep us on the same timeline..that we will have to rebuild and it send it back in time in 2032..(and adds so you can forget about 2012)if we don't,then this timeline will fade away..the world will revert to a place where everything stemming from back engineering the roswell crash never happened..its a long time since I watched his lecture,but thats the general gist of it..its a pretty far out story,and i seem to recall an atom bomb test is involved in crashing the ufo..it actually took a couple of years to crash into this world.
but hes the son of a military whistle blower and its a good scifi plot. he claims,(like phil schnieder) to have over 3 thousand documents,but neither delivered back-up proof.If I come across it online I'll post the link.
I wonder how many christians would volunteer to be biblical heroes if their church leader/president could give them the opportunity to go back in time and make it happen.

I did come across someone who claims to have built a machine based on crop circles. fake,spook,alien,or suppressed scientists defying the alleged embargo on free energy?

how can you tell honest whistleblowers and genuine ET from jokers and agents?
You are reduced by wading through ufology to a sort of 'don't believe it till I see it mentality',but its getting easier by the day for men to fake the ufo experience.
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Postby blanc » Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:17 am

LilyPat I am just interjecting to expres support. It is depressing when survivors testifying is turned against them, it happens so often in other contexts - often being accused of fantasising, now, kind of the reverse of that
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Need to remember to *BREATHE*.....

Postby LilyPatToo » Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:52 pm

Wow. It's not often that my mucked-up mind gets thoroughly blown, but jingofever's link to Dream's End's blog did exactly that.

I've just spent several hours reading there and have been in tears a couple of times and so upset I had to get up and pace around the house before I could go back to the text. Passages are familiar to me, but I'm so glad that I didn't encounter this poster's entire body of work on UFOs and MKULTRA until NOW, when my own research has led me to almost exactly the same conclusions, but independently. I guess, deep down inside, I wanted to be wrong/confused/deluded about the implications of my own research :oops:

Understanding a subject so complex is necessarily a long process, so I'm hoping that DE still posts here and will be updating us on his/her continuing progress.

Meanwhile, every person who has experienced what they believe are abductions or seen a UFO or even just wondered why there are so damn many intelligence agency-connected people in the field should read that site...all of it, no matter how long it takes them. And no matter how many cherished illusions are shattered or how many heroes turn out to have not just feet of clay, but entire, brittle personas of the stuff.

For dyed-in-the-wool True Believers, of course, that's unlikely to be a realistic hope on my part. They will resist this information to their last breaths, I'm afraid. But I know a whole bunch of abductees who only have one foot in the True Believer camp and who still are open to new information. If their minds are flexible enough, Dream's End's research is going to cause a paradigm shift that may just be enough to armor them against the manipulation that is being perpetrated upon the field.

I need to process what I've read, but this is the best summation of the relationship between MKULTRA and UFOs/alien abductions that I've ever read--even including Cannon's "The Controllers".

blanc, thank you so much. Day by day, I'm getting a clearer idea of the motives of the people who attack us. So while it stings like hell at the time, I'm no longer getting deep, incapacitating wounds. But when someone steps up and takes my back, I can make a lot more progress. And I'm not using the battlefield analogy lightly--people who think this isn't a war are not paying attention.

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Oops!

Postby LilyPatToo » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:43 pm

OpLan, I apologize for missing your post when I first came here to read, bleary-eyed and un-caffeinated, this AM. You sound like me--frustrated and thoroughly POed by all the utter CR*P we have to wade through in these related fields. There have been many days when I envied the True Believers and wondered what it would be like to be sure that I finally understood this mess completely....but I always regain my searcher mindset sooner or later and lower myself back into the muddy trenches of this intel-run war.

Hopefully, you'll commit to reading DE's blog. I've found answers to a bunch of my questions there. That's not to say that DE's 100% correct, but just that more than one person has tread the maze of paths to understanding these subjects and we've met up at the same general place at this point.

It's a theoretical process and will remain that until/if the Controllers are ever unmasked and all the deceptions are finally unveiled (from my lips to god's ear!) :?

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