Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[Onesmartrat]

"LOL", indeed.

Comma AFTER quotation please...



E.B. White is rolling in his grave as we speak.


(Is he even dead yet???)


"lol,"




-OSR

[philipacentaur]

What does your style guide have to say about quotation marks used to indicate sarcasm?

I'm pissing on E.B. White's grave as I type. Actually it's not his grave at all -- just a copy of The Trumpet of the Swan. In other words: yes, he's dead.

[Joe Hillshoist]

OSR - go sick

cry havoc and all that.

you have my full permission to sat whatever you want.

PS My ego is really tied up in playing footy, this stuff is cool and all, and I do believe it, but if there is anything in it, my ego doesn't matter.

Cept when i am playing footy.

[Onesmartrat]

What does your style guide have to say about quotation marks used to indicate sarcasm?

I'm pissing on E.B. White's grave as I type. Actually it's not his grave at all -- just a copy of The Trumpet of the Swan. In other words: yes, he's dead.

Your sarcasm was noted, however, your faulty punctuation detracts from it's full effect.

In other words, if you're going to point a gun at someone, load it first; it has a more dramatic effect that way.

The comma should have been BEFORE, not after the quotation mark; I misspoke in my earlier post ...but then again, you are obviously a smart boy, so I figured you would figure it out ...eventually.

E.B. White is now holding an umbrella, post-mortem of course.

Perhaps you've read The Yellow River by I.P. Freely?

-OSR

[Onesmartrat]

OSR - go sick

cry havoc and all that.

you have my full permission to sat whatever you want.

PS My ego is really tied up in playing footy, this stuff is cool and all, and I do believe it, but if there is anything in it, my ego doesn't matter.

Cept when i am playing footy.

Yes. Well, I AM sick, so I don't have time to beat around the bush ...

I read your account. For those that have not here is the link:

http://tohellwithculture.blogspot.com/2 ... chive.html


From this account I derive two things;

1) You have a long history of prior 'encounters' with this type of thing.

In other words, most probably, you are an "abductee."

You most certainly will have what are known as "implants" and at least two that I can almost be certain of; one at your pineal gland and one perhaps behind your right ear (possibly your left, but usually it's the right) ...this would be in the interior of course, altough your may be able to note a larger "lump" or more significant bone mass by feeling directly behind your right ear and comparing it with your left.

The way to detect the Pineal implant is a little tricky, and with some it may be harder to detect than with others. Take a small handheld mirror and a flashlight and stand in front of a larger mirror big enough to see your head, like a bathroom sink mirror, one that is stationary and you don't have to hold. aim the small mirror upside down your mouth and use the flashlight so that you can get a good reflection of the inside of your upper palate. You'll be looking at the reflection off the smaller mirror by looking at it in the larger one. You will note there are small slits on either side; this is normal. What you are looking for is going to be what appears as "extra" marks which look like needle punctures, about one inch or so apart, maybe a little less, maybe a little more ...they may or may not be detectable in this manner depending on how well you get a good view and angle a flashlight in the right spot. (You can get someone to help you, but really it is much more of a "self-convincer" when you actually see this with your own eyes.) If you have these and they haven't scarred up, which they will not normally do, you will see them and you will know what they are ...at least a part of you will. Some people, as children, may have fought very hard when this ws being done to them; they keep you wide awake and conscious for this torturous event. In at least one case that I know, the person has two sets of these punture marks, because they fought them so hard, they had to do it twice as the first time didn't take.

Expect a few nightmares if you happen to see what I am talking about here.

2) You have Cult intitation/inculcation in your history ...childhood most certainly. This would most likely indicate that you come from a Cult-connected family and or have the occult path operating through intergenerational bloodlines. You most certainly are a natural intuitive, an extremly powerful one in fact, however you have been taught to mute it and you also have some doubt and ambivalence, perhaps as a part of the programming to get your conscious mind to 'keep it in check." However, from certain details you gave in your account, it is my opinion, you have been finely-tweaked in terms of trauma-conditioned "training" to develope these natural talents.

If you have children, they may also be "involved." If you are married or hooked up with someone in a long-term relationship, it's also possible that your partner is involved ...because in nature; like attracts like even on subconscious levels. I call this the "watering-hole rule." Remember, I said "may" in this regard.

I will stop there.

If these above observations are correct, then I have no doubt that you, my friend, are a Monarch Multiple.

Sorry. I wish I could say otherwise.

Really, I do.

Best Wishes.



The Aboriginal connection is intriguing and they could, with perhaps some of their ceremonies and rituals, assist you to unlock more of the truth from within, were you to be allowed to participate in them. The location were you are at may also be supportive of this task should you take it on. However do note, this path is frought with hardship and obstruction; do not begin the journey unless finding the truth of your life, no matter where it may lead, is the most impotrtant thing. The truth can set you free, but it can also destroy you. It will never be what you wish it to be; it will be extremely disturbing and unpleasant ...and damn inconvenient. You may lose friends and lovers and perhaps even your family in the process. It's also the path of No Return. Take carfeful note here before you make your choice.

Good Luck.

Pro Libertate!

-OSR

[philipacentaur]

"Sorry", "One'smart'rat" -- you're full of shit. I do, indeed, pee quite freely.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

"ATTENTION/Achtung!:

Attack Ships On Fire; report to duty.
You are needed onboard the hovercraft immediately!"



(And yes, to you, I'm "just kidding" ...to everyone else, I'm as serious as a Reptilian toothache.)


-OSR

(YOUR GHASSULIAN WING-COMMANDER)

Sorry OSR, I didn't see your reply to my comment.

The point I was getting at with my "You're kidding, right?" was that in the post where your original comment was, you info dumped a whole lot of supposition about who and what is behind the alien presence but without explaining why I should take you at your word.

Look at it from a skeptic's point of view: what makes what you have to say any more valid than the George Adaminskis of the world, or the Billy Meiers, or the Whitley Streibers, or the Jim Sparks? It seems every one that claims intimate knowledge of what lies behind the alien question has a different answer than someone else. To some, they're benevolent creatures here to welcome us to a cosmic brotherhood. To others, they're monsters from space that are treating us like cattle. When you start explaining about otherworldly races seeding races from exploded planets or that the aliens visiting us are mercenaries of a sort...well, why should what you have to say be any more valid than what anyone else has to say?

I'm not attacking you, but I am trying to make you see why I am skeptical when I read another explanation about what's supposed to be going on here.

[Joe Hillshoist]

OSr Thanks for that.

I dunno if its accurate tho.

Establishment connections.

Looking at some aspects of my life, and the way my family has related to the 'establishment" on some levels it would make sense... Dad used to work for Lord denning, and my Grandparents on Mum's side met while acting as decoys for the Ryal wankers who opened parliament house in Aust in 1927.

So there is an establishment connection there, but it is also British, not American...

Also my old man ended up suing the law society in tassie in the 70s, and starting a fight that he couldn't really win. He was warned to leave the state by the attorney general at the time, Bingham i thing, and the lives of me and my brother were used against him. I remember being followed by cars after school as my friends and I ran amok on the way home, but it was a game to us. Only later did I get told about the implications of that. My old mans actions in that situation made no sense if I was part of some program... I doubt he would have allowed a threat to us to interfere with his plans if he was involved in that stuff. It doesn't add up.

Abduction.

Apart from that experience, my only real UFo experiences are contactee ones, and then in the context of tripping off my head on magic mushrooms. they took place on a level that seems about as far from abduction or nastiness as possible. In fact i would describe the process as joyriding, and the one particular entity that i do this stuff with as an old friend. or a shroom induced hallucination...

I never had anything resembling missing time till I started partying and doing lots of (synthetic) drugs back in the late 80s, and most of that missing time would be in the context of ... well going out on Wednesday and coming home Sunday arvo. If i didn't have a fractured memeory of that time ... well i wouldn't have done it right. And basically haven't since, and I have no history of multiple type behaviour.

Occult/Cult aspects.

Like alters and all that, there seems to be one personality inhabiting this body, with aspects or selves, but not the fractured messed up kind. I am actually prtty well integrated into reality. Things don't trigger me the way they seem to in Monarch programming.

But I have always been into magic and have always seen weird stuff. We lived where they scattered Truganninni's ashes, and I used to spend all day playing in the bush there, I dunno if I had imaginary friends or they were real, spirits from that place. But I have always felt some of those spirits around, and they look after me, too many close calls in my life, the odds are I should have been dead by now considering the stuff I have done and been through. Even simple stuff, for example, I used to do rock climbing (without ropes), once I fell, and fell for a few seconds but walked away at the bottom. I was on crutches with a ruptured ligament for 3 months afterwards, but I probably should have died. Thats one of many, many and varied examples.

Maybe I am just lucky.

But there is the cult aspect. dad did his hindu priest thing, something that involved channeling via minor fits/disassociation, and his family have a bent history. For example his grandma or great grandma was the priestess to Rani Lakshmibai, who was involved in the Indian Rebellian of 1857, centred on Janshi. Kali is a major fgure in that side of my family. There is a lot of occultism associated with kali, including the ugliness of the thuggee movement.

But most of the occult stuff in my life has not involved other people tho, its stuff I have gone looking for myself, found and worked my own interpretations of. I have organised my own initiations on my own, with no other human influence. That is weird, but well worth the trauma.

Oh I grew up as a catholic, thats a cult if ever there was one, but funnily enough most of the catholics I have come across are incredibly decent people on a one to one level.

You most certainly are a natural intuitive, an extremly powerful one in fact, however you have been taught to mute it and you also have some doubt and ambivalence

I think this sort of thing is something that western culture does, and it doesn't require any particular effort on any individuals part. Its a cultural anathema to recognise magic might actually work in some ways.

But hell if you are gonna get into magic you must have the most sceptical mind and challenge yur own worldview constantly or you will slip down the rocky path into irrelevent powerless psychosis. I have seen that happen to people many times. Never believe anything even when you do ... ha ha.

Thats the thing that got my attention about MC. I can see the parallels in my life, but its as if what happened to me and what I learned was deliberately perverted and used by humans for their own selfish ends you would end up with programs like MK Ultra and its Monarch derivatives.

anyway i am gonna go see if I can find any implants later, but I don't expect to.

(Part of me is kind of hoping they will be there, just for the spin out effect, but I doubt I'll find anything)

But thanks for your answer, and the thought you gave it. i have been dealing weith unpleasant shite all my life, thats why I can get so much out of it, the bad is balanced by the good, whatever cuts your soul like a knife also shapes it into a cup to hold your joy and wonder. (Kahil Gibran) So if there is bad stuff waiting around the corner ... well. Like everything else i just have to deal with it.

I am sure it couldn't be as disappointing as watching North Melbourne bend over and surrender a 37 point lead to Carlton without a fight, as they did in the NAB cup semi final last night.

PS Go sick is an australian saying meaning go hard, or give it everything or something like that. Sorry if it didn't translate.

Perhaps I should have said "Go well".

[Onesmartrat]

OSr Thanks for that.

I dunno if its accurate tho.

Establishment connections.

Looking at some aspects of my life, and the way my family has related to the 'establishment" on some levels it would make sense... Dad used to work for Lord denning, and my Grandparents on Mum's side met while acting as decoys for the Ryal wankers who opened parliament house in Aust in 1927.

So there is an establishment connection there, but it is also British, not American...

Also my old man ended up suing the law society in tassie in the 70s, and starting a fight that he couldn't really win. He was warned to leave the state by the attorney general at the time, Bingham i thing, and the lives of me and my brother were used against him. I remember being followed by cars after school as my friends and I ran amok on the way home, but it was a game to us. Only later did I get told about the implications of that. My old mans actions in that situation made no sense if I was part of some program... I doubt he would have allowed a threat to us to interfere with his plans if he was involved in that stuff. It doesn't add up.

Abduction.

Apart from that experience, my only real UFo experiences are contactee ones, and then in the context of tripping off my head on magic mushrooms. they took place on a level that seems about as far from abduction or nastiness as possible. In fact i would describe the process as joyriding, and the one particular entity that i do this stuff with as an old friend. or a shroom induced hallucination...

I never had anything resembling missing time till I started partying and doing lots of (synthetic) drugs back in the late 80s, and most of that missing time would be in the context of ... well going out on Wednesday and coming home Sunday arvo. If i didn't have a fractured memeory of that time ... well i wouldn't have done it right. And basically haven't since, and I have no history of multiple type behaviour.

Occult/Cult aspects.

Like alters and all that, there seems to be one personality inhabiting this body, with aspects or selves, but not the fractured messed up kind. I am actually prtty well integrated into reality. Things don't trigger me the way they seem to in Monarch programming.

But I have always been into magic and have always seen weird stuff. We lived where they scattered Truganninni's ashes, and I used to spend all day playing in the bush there, I dunno if I had imaginary friends or they were real, spirits from that place. But I have always felt some of those spirits around, and they look after me, too many close calls in my life, the odds are I should have been dead by now considering the stuff I have done and been through. Even simple stuff, for example, I used to do rock climbing (without ropes), once I fell, and fell for a few seconds but walked away at the bottom. I was on crutches with a ruptured ligament for 3 months afterwards, but I probably should have died. Thats one of many, many and varied examples.

Maybe I am just lucky.

But there is the cult aspect. dad did his hindu priest thing, something that involved channeling via minor fits/disassociation, and his family have a bent history. For example his grandma or great grandma was the priestess to Rani Lakshmibai, who was involved in the Indian Rebellian of 1857, centred on Janshi. Kali is a major fgure in that side of my family. There is a lot of occultism associated with kali, including the ugliness of the thuggee movement.

But most of the occult stuff in my life has not involved other people tho, its stuff I have gone looking for myself, found and worked my own interpretations of. I have organised my own initiations on my own, with no other human influence. That is weird, but well worth the trauma.

Oh I grew up as a catholic, thats a cult if ever there was one, but funnily enough most of the catholics I have come across are incredibly decent people on a one to one level.

You most certainly are a natural intuitive, an extremly powerful one in fact, however you have been taught to mute it and you also have some doubt and ambivalence

I think this sort of thing is something that western culture does, and it doesn't require any particular effort on any individuals part. Its a cultural anathema to recognise magic might actually work in some ways.

But hell if you are gonna get into magic you must have the most sceptical mind and challenge yur own worldview constantly or you will slip down the rocky path into irrelevent powerless psychosis. I have seen that happen to people many times. Never believe anything even when you do ... ha ha.

Thats the thing that got my attention about MC. I can see the parallels in my life, but its as if what happened to me and what I learned was deliberately perverted and used by humans for their own selfish ends you would end up with programs like MK Ultra and its Monarch derivatives.

anyway i am gonna go see if I can find any implants later, but I don't expect to.

(Part of me is kind of hoping they will be there, just for the spin out effect, but I doubt I'll find anything)

But thanks for your answer, and the thought you gave it. i have been dealing weith unpleasant shite all my life, thats why I can get so much out of it, the bad is balanced by the good, whatever cuts your soul like a knife also shapes it into a cup to hold your joy and wonder. (Kahil Gibran) So if there is bad stuff waiting around the corner ... well. Like everything else i just have to deal with it.

I am sure it couldn't be as disappointing as watching North Melbourne bend over and surrender a 37 point lead to Carlton without a fight, as they did in the NAB cup semi final last night.

PS Go sick is an australian saying meaning go hard, or give it everything or something like that. Sorry if it didn't translate.

Perhaps I should have said "Go well".

No probs on the go sick thing ...I knew what you meant and was just playin' on the word.

Your family history reads like "Monarch Central" by the way. Very much along the lines of which you would have been the perfect candidate for this stuff. America isn't the only place that this happened, it actually came over from the British Isles and was imported here you know.

Your dad would not necessarily have had to been "consciously" involved as most intergenerational Monarchs have no clue in their everyday lives about what has been going on in their "secret lives." He very well could have been a mutiple himself; most never come to realize it in their lifetimes.Very few ever come to know what has happpned to them; very few indeed. Remember, it's not called "mind control" for nothing, you know.


The "cars" that were folowing you...what did you say that was all about ....not clear on that part of the story. Am curious though.


-OSR

[philipacentaur]

Give 'em an inch...

[Joe Hillshoist]

dad grew up in the bush in fiji pre ww2. I dunno how much access there was to intel services of any sort, but then he went to school in a missoinary school so there is a possibility there...

But my old man ..

Look I know how it looks espoecially from your POV, and I am not writing it off.

i have some weird memories from one event in Tassie.. at a preschool.

But the rest of it doesn't fit. Dads got his problems sure, but that one just doesn't fit.

Dad sued the law society in tassie on behalf of a client that they screwed over. That led to a monumental shitfight, he is a black man, Tassie is renowned for its attempted genocide on its local indigenous population, many people believe they wiped out the Tasmanian blackfellas completely, tho the ones I know show that statement to be a lie.

Eventually the law society charged dad with malpractise, he lost the case, appealed, and was looking good in the appeal. Dad tells me stories of various Tasmanian Supremem court judges, the one about the judge who used to look at porn while presiding and retire to his chambers for a wank before bringing down decisions is my favorites.

Dad actually brought this up in a case the guy was presiding over once...

So anyway the attorney general rang dad the night before the decision on the appeal was due. Dad drove to devonport and flew out of the state in a small plane that night. later he told me that me and my brothers lives were used as leverage over him. they basically said they would kidnap us and kill us if he stayed in the state any longer. thats why cars were following me after school as I stuffed around in hobart.

They were tracking my movements, probably planning a place to snatch me. I have done similar things to other people in my drug dealing youth. Not with the intent of kidnapping or killing anyone, just beating the crap out of them cos they didn't pay their debts. And were basically laughing about it behind my back. if you are gonna play those games you can't let people pull that shit.

I didn't learn that stuff in any monarch program either, its just common sense if you are gonna do that stuff. Which I don't any more, I haven't been involved in that ugly pointless shit for 15 years or I wouldn't be talking about it on a public forum.

I had some American backpackers stay at my place years ago, in 99. One of them was from maryland, from a naval Intel family, and they took a few shroom trips while here. There was something very odd about them, especially the girl from the NI family. You could feel the way her chi was different... just sitting next to her, I could see how she might be a multiple, that weirdness was definitely apparant tho her personality seemed integrated enough. cept tripping, it was like things were trying to break out... The way her face would change sometimes and look like someone else altogether. that stuff doesn't appear to happen to me.

Of course if it mis how would I know, but I don't see where it could fit into my life.

There is nothing like that in my psyche that I am aware of, and I am pretty confident that i would have uncovered it at some point. I know thats an easy thing to say, and could be seen as a defense mechanism, but it just doesn't ring true to me deep inside. Maybe thats how powerful the programming is, but I don't accept that either, cos its obviously not powerful enough to be completely hidden from you, or lilypat or others here and elsewhere. There would have been some hints somewhere.

Especially cos of all the occult/magic stuff I have done. Breaking down your personality and putting it back together is something I have done in my own time and places, and there is nothing in there that seems out of the ordinary. None of those structure that beth goobie talks aboutfor example. None of the known triggers I have seen have ever done anything. I disasssociate sure, but its usually cos I am thinking about my own stuff, I have never disassociated in a way that i wasn't aware of what was happening around me, I was jsut ignoring it cos i was thinking about something else.

the weird thing in the Tassie preschool, well maybe there was something going on there, I dunno. Its at the very edge of my memory to go back that far, but if anything it was probably just the fact that I don't react well to authority. I wouldn't be surprised if I was a complete pain in the arse to anyone trying to socialise me into a school mentality. So I wouldn't be surprised if that is just a memory of being punished for trying to do what I wanted not what I was told. IE sleeping after lunch, sitting down and listening instead of going outside to play etc etc.

Its certainly the pattern all the way to high school, and I only pulled my head in then cos of what happened in Tassie. we moved to melbourne and I remember trying to make an effort to "be good Johnny" (like the men at work song that came out around that time ). Cos my olds had been through hell and me trying to behave made thewir lives a little easier.

In Tassie we were wild. Me and me friends used to steal fencing masks and hunt each other through the bush with air rifles, hide above roads with skyrockets and shoot them "bazooka style" at cars driving by and stuff. Try and sneak into peoples houses, not to steal anything, but cos we weren't sposed to, and any number of other youthful fun and games.

We didn't fit in at all.

I have a lot of residual trauma from childhood, but it was cos I was the only black kid in my school, or for that matter that I knew. I copped alot of racism over those years and it still pisses me off inside. Always been standing on the outside looking in from that POV. But thats pretty much it. That stuff is still locked in my body/chi flow, but its nowhere near as bad as it was years ago.

All this feels a bit self indulgent and a bit like justifying something tho so i'll stop now.

my take on the MC thing is this tho.

It is using techniques that are human potentials or whatever you want to call them, techniques for connection to the greater world Gaia and all that goes with it, and to the other world, where our spirits come from, to remove or disconnect people from that world, and this one.

And applying the results of these techniques to society at large as well.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

In the interest of full disclosure...

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 02:11:56 -0800
From: Martin Cannon <mcannon@thorin.instanet.com>
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Message from Martin Cannon

Is there any way you could remove my name from your list of ufologists?
I am out of the field. I have disowned the theory outlined in my work
"The Controllers," and have requested everyone carrying the piece on the
web to remove it. That damned thing has caused nothing but trouble.

If you can't remove my name, at least be good enough to inform your
readers that I have changed my tune. Frankly, UFO buffs and conspiracy
nuts kind of make me feel ill these days. I am SO damned sick of always
being called an "agent"...

Thanks,

MJC

Project Monarch: The Tangled Web

[The following is a draft copy, and will be revised or corrected by Mr. Cannon based on the feedback he receives - Doc]

There has been some discussion on this group about the alleged "Monarch" mind control project. The primary proponents of this story are Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien, with whom I interacted about five years ago.

The final chapter of my upcoming book, "The Controllers," includes a section discussing (objectively and somewhat skeptically) the claims made by this couple. Perhaps the readers of the newsgroup would appreciate an advance peek at what I've written. (Please keep in mind: This draft is still somewhat rough.)

Project Monarch: The Tangled Web
by Martin Cannon

Since 1991, Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien have alternately appalled and enthralled their growing audience with tales of mind control, programmed prostitution, ritual abuse, and worse. The handsome couple from Tennessee initially told their story to a select group of writers and journalists. Now, they spread the word via right-wing periodicals and outside-the-mainstream radio programs. They've also written a book: Trance-formation of America.

Cathy claims to be a victim of the Monarch Project, an insidious CIA/military/Satanist plan to use ritual abuse victims as mind-controlled guinea pigs. Victims of the plot, almost always female, grew up within multi-generational Satanic families. Sold by their parents to government brainwashers, Monarch kids are intentionally "split" into directed multiple personalities, useful for various criminal purposes - as spies, as drug mules, as prostitutes, and so forth. The well-developed primary personality never realizes what was done by, or to, the alter personalities. Powerful individuals with a taste for sexual excess choose their playmates from the ranks of Monarch graduates, the better to avoid after-the-fact blackmailers and tattle-talers, a la Vicki Morgan and (if you believe certain writers) Marilyn Monroe. For example, O'Brien describes in detail how one important aide to Ronald Reagan enjoyed raping her anally while using a stun device to prod her body with electric convulsions. This is the sort of fetish that might cause some concern among the voters, if ever they learned the truth. Hence, Monarch.

Little about the basic Monarch theory struck me as technically implausible - indeed, this putative project seems, in many ways, the logical extension of MKULTRA. I therefore initially found the O'Brien/Phillips story quite intriguing. But I also found Mark and Cathy exceptionally frustrating to deal with.

Mark Phillips has offered varying descriptions of how he first learned about Monarch programming. At one point, he said he had worked for an unnamed "DIA contractor," in which position he came across various materials detailing the government's mind control projects. But in a letter to me (June 1, 1991), he claimed to have discovered the operation during his "tenure in the '60s and '70s at NASA (Huntsville, Alabama) and Woodland Hills R&D (Woodland Hills, California)" I have lived near Woodland Hills most of my life, yet have never heard of any such corporation, which remains a mystery to everyone else I have consulted. (A call to Directory Assistance came up goose eggs.) Phillips seems rather too young to have worked in a sensitive position at NASA in the 1960s. He supposedly "retained" copies of classified documents detailing "harmonics, electroshock, hypnotic programming, mind/body conditioning (torture), (limited) drug applications for programming and deprogramming, and the names and backgrounds of the expendables (victims)." Peculiarly, he has never produced any of this confirming documentation. Nor has he produced any evidence that he ever worked for any government contractor. Independent background checks have revealed only that he has held far less impressive jobs, such as selling recreational vehicles.

He also briefly joined forces with a Tennessee businessman named Alex Houston. Houston, in a telephone interview with researcher Mike Knight, claims that he was married to Cathy O'Brien in 1988. Oddly, she never mentioned this marriage in her voluminous autobiographical writings, although she has frequently labeled Houston an operator within Project Monarch - an accusation he strongly denies. Houston reports that he and Phillips once traveled to China to sell capacitors, and were briefly detained on suspicion of espionage by the Chinese government. After returning to the United States, Houston found that Cathy had gone off with Mark.

Mark Phillips claims that his "inside knowledge" allowed him immediately to spot Cathy's status as a Monarch victim. He therefore whisked her away and embarked on a deprogramming operation - although his description of "how to deprogram" seems unnervingly similar to descriptions I have read of how to instill programming. The couple traveled to Alaska, where, Cathy claims, they gave the FBI testimony concerning various entertainment figures involved in the Monarch drug conspiracy. In 1991, the couple began distributing "documented proof" of the scheme to their network of journalists, researchers, and interested parties - including myself.

Unfortunately, the only "documentation" I ever saw consisted of unsworn testimony written by Cathy O'Brien, in which she accused various political and entertainment figures of participation in the plot. Her two-to-ten page short-stories-from-hell detailed the horrific deeds (mostly involving sex and drugs) perpetrated by the likes of Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and Cathy's bête noir, Senator Robert Byrd. The entire program, she averred, was commanded by the occultist I have already labeled "Mr. A." Cathy also identified other putative Monarch victims, such as Country singer Loretta Lynn and Dodger pitcher Fernando Valenzuala, who, we are told, owed his baseball prowess to hypnosis. (Apparently the trance wore off.) Even comedian Jack Benny fell afoul of the Monarch conspiracy.

On one occasion (or so Cathy claims), she was taken to a rural retreat, where she serviced the eldritch sexual needs of then-vice president George Bush and one of his chief aides. This story's high point depicts Bush "kissing the sky" while strung out on heroin, as he repeatedly gurgles to his comrade: "You look just like Elmer Fudd!" (A wicked part of me almost wishes it were true)

I once told Mark that found impressive Cathy's willingness to name names, thereby placing the couple at some legal risk. Mark became nervous, and, rather less-than-gallantly, observed that his name didn't appear as author on any of the accusatory writings, leaving him in a position protected from libel action.

A number of journalists, such as freelance writer Civia Tomarkin (who has followed the ritual abuse controversy), quietly studied the O'Brien/Phillips "paperwork." But, as Tomarkin observes, "there's a difference between testimony and proof," and Mark and Cathy refuse to provide the proof they have promised. Cathy has frequently asserted that her body bears many marks, wounds, and "cancerous moles" corroborating her tales of torture - yet she never makes available probative photographs or other medical evidence. Nor will she provide documentation that she has had cancer. Everyone who meets her notices that her fashion-model good looks remain unflawed by any visible scars. Cathy often describes the genitalia of the famous politicos she has serviced - but no journalist could hope to validate these descriptions, unless he possesses a talent for furtive glances in the Senate restroom.

The couple use familiar tactics to counter their critics: After Tomarkin's interest turned to skepticism, Mark Phillips asserted that the journalist was herself part of the Great Monarch Conspiracy.

It is a very powerful conspiracy, indeed. We are told that Hollywood animators deliberately place hypnotic cue images into children's television shows, such as Disney's Duck Tales. Rock-and-roll Monarchists deliberately include hypnotic cue words in the lyrics of many popular songs. When asked why they don't bring civil charges against the Monarchians, Mark and Cathy explain that the Satanic plot controls the entire court system - just as it also controls the presidency, much of Congress, the entertainment industry, and large sectors of both the Mormon and Catholic churches. The Vatican looms large in the Phillips/O'Brien demonology. In their 1996 book "Trance-formation of America," the couple describe World Vision as a "Jesuit" conspiratorial group intent on bringing about a socialistic "New World Order." (World Vision is actually a conservative Protestant missionary group. ) Ever since our intrepid anti-Monarch crusaders discovered that their primary audience leans far to the Right, they have heavily emphasized the "New World Order" bugaboo and Mark takes pains to hide his atheism.

I backed away from this story in September of 1991, when Cathy sent a letter begging me to "rally the troops" in support of Mark Phillips after a Federal Grand Jury in Tennessee had called him in for testimony. "We nervously anticipate a set-up," Cathy wrote, apparently hoping her network would start a "Free Mark" movement. I didn't bite. Soon thereafter, Mark Phillips explained to me that the Grand Jury had falsely accused him of threatening President George Bush. This assertion made no sense: Anyone accused (even falsely) of posing a presidential threat would first confront the Secret Service, not a Grand Jury. Later still, I discovered that the Grand Jury had merely called in Mark Phillips as a potential witness in a matter unrelated to either Bush or Monarch. Why, then, the call-to-arms?

Throughout 1991, O'Brien and Phillips inundated their network with "paperwork" outlining the crimes of numerous American political figures, especially those hailing from the south. Yet they never mentioned Arkansas governor Bill Clinton, either in writing or in telephone interviews. That situation changed after the 1992 Democratic convention, which chose Bill Clinton as the party's presidential candidate: Cathy then distributed a two-page report titled "Clinton Coke Lines" - allegedly "compiled 3/89." (Why, then, didn't we see it earlier?)

In this paper, Cathy claims to have met then-governor Clinton in 1984, at a contributor's mountain retreat. All parties did mounds of cocaine while they discussed using a fleet of trucks, jestingly labeled "Clinton's Coke Lines," to run CIA drugs through Arkansas. Thus spake Bill, as per O'Brien: "Bottom line is, we've got control of the drug industry, therefore we've got control of them (suppliers). You control the guy underneath ya, and Uncle has ya covered - what have ya got to lose?" Soon after making this observation, Clinton insisted that Cathy (apparently brought in to supply "entertainment") had to leave the room, even though she was a "presidential model" capable of keeping state secrets.

Cathy O’Brien claims that Arkansas entertainment director H.B. Gibson was present at this meeting. In 1993, investigator Mike Knight telephoned Gibson. Knight, no fan of the president he will always call "Slick Willie," undoubtedly wanted to prove this story true. But Gibson seemed genuinely bewildered when he heard the names Alex Houston and Cathy O'Brien. After lengthy, carefully-phrased questioning, Knight reluctantly decided that Cathy had witnessed no such meeting involving Bill Clinton.

And that's the bottom line: Mark-and-Cathy stories never come backed by hard evidence. When Cathy claimed on the radio that a Vermont Senator had sexually abused her in an L.L. Bean store located in that state, a caller pointed out that the L.L. Bean company maintains no stores in Vermont. Cathy rationalized the problem away. There's always a rationalization.

Just to make matters pluperfectly surreal: Mark Phillips has privately admitted to at least one researcher that he (Phillips) concocted the name "Project Monarch," just to see who would pick it up.

At this point, an honest investigator can only feel aggravated and dispirited - which may be the entire point of this charade. In fact, ritual abuse claimants throughout the country had spoken darkly of a "Project Monarch" well before Mark and Cathy came on the scene. Now, skeptics can posit that Mark Phillips contaminated the testimony of others, even though the chronology argues against this scenario.

As mentioned previously, the essential idea behind the Monarch theory seems "do-able." And to be fair, Mark and Cathy never seemed to be "in it for the money" - in fact, they spent a tremendous amount on their mailings, while the potential for libel suits placed them at some financial risk. I doubt that sales of their book (published by a small firm, and undistributed, so far, in the larger stores) will fetch them much monetary benefit.

How, then, do we assess their claims? Some believe that Cathy's testimony is essentially true, while others damn it as a pack of lies. Still others suspect that Mark and Cathy have played out a clever disinformation gambit, mixing fact and fiction in order to discredit any genuine victims who "break program." Worth noting: "Mr. A" has never attempted to sue the couple, even though they have accused him publicly of numerous crimes, and even though he is notorious for having his lawyers write intimidating letters to anyone he perceives as injuring his reputation.

At the end of the day, we can only contemplate Shakespeare's famous phrase: "Oh, what a tangled web we weave" The sentiment has never seemed more appropriate.


http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/monarch2.html


Little did Mr. Cannon realize just how tangled it would get...

[Joe Hillshoist]

Just a thought. other people might not want to be as forthcoming about their personal details as I am.

I don't actually give a fuck, and basically there is sweet fa chance anyone is gonna steal my id(cos where I live people know people on sight, and I guess I think I know how to protect myself, what bank account I don't have one) or assets (cos I have none).

And all this shit that happened to us is coming out in a book at some point.

The more I think about this the more I discount the idea, cos it doesn't add up. Its kind of a seductive idea tho, becoming psrt of a group that is select and elite in its own way etc etc.

There is another side too. It has no relevence to my life right here and now. There is a real danger if I take this stuff on that I will spend a huge period destroying my life for no justifiable reason.

Plus its a bit unfair on the people who are victims of this stuff. Claiming to be part of it when I have no reason to other than your word OSR, is a bit like cheapening their ordeal.

And implants ... well I have several years of my wifes scans of various sorts, nothing in her head that shouldn't be there... Cept some scarring from being kicked in the head by a horse as a kid. And no lumps behind the ears, or anywhere near them.

[Onesmartrat]

dad grew up in the bush in fiji pre ww2. I dunno how much access there was to intel services of any sort, but then he went to school in a missoinary school so there is a possibility there...

But my old man ..

Look I know how it looks espoecially from your POV, and I am not writing it off.

i have some weird memories from one event in Tassie.. at a preschool.

But the rest of it doesn't fit. Dads got his problems sure, but that one just doesn't fit.

Dad sued the law society in tassie on behalf of a client that they screwed over. That led to a monumental shitfight, he is a black man, Tassie is renowned for its attempted genocide on its local indigenous population, many people believe they wiped out the Tasmanian blackfellas completely, tho the ones I know show that statement to be a lie.

Eventually the law society charged dad with malpractise, he lost the case, appealed, and was looking good in the appeal. Dad tells me stories of various Tasmanian Supremem court judges, the one about the judge who used to look at porn while presiding and retire to his chambers for a wank before bringing down decisions is my favorites.

Dad actually brought this up in a case the guy was presiding over once...

So anyway the attorney general rang dad the night before the decision on the appeal was due. Dad drove to devonport and flew out of the state in a small plane that night. later he told me that me and my brothers lives were used as leverage over him. they basically said they would kidnap us and kill us if he stayed in the state any longer. thats why cars were following me after school as I stuffed around in hobart.

They were tracking my movements, probably planning a place to snatch me. I have done similar things to other people in my drug dealing youth. Not with the intent of kidnapping or killing anyone, just beating the crap out of them cos they didn't pay their debts. And were basically laughing about it behind my back. if you are gonna play those games you can't let people pull that shit.

I didn't learn that stuff in any monarch program either, its just common sense if you are gonna do that stuff. Which I don't any more, I haven't been involved in that ugly pointless shit for 15 years or I wouldn't be talking about it on a public forum.

I had some American backpackers stay at my place years ago, in 99. One of them was from maryland, from a naval Intel family, and they took a few shroom trips while here. There was something very odd about them, especially the girl from the NI family. You could feel the way her chi was different... just sitting next to her, I could see how she might be a multiple, that weirdness was definitely apparant tho her personality seemed integrated enough. cept tripping, it was like things were trying to break out... The way her face would change sometimes and look like someone else altogether. that stuff doesn't appear to happen to me.

Of course if it mis how would I know, but I don't see where it could fit into my life.

There is nothing like that in my psyche that I am aware of, and I am pretty confident that i would have uncovered it at some point. I know thats an easy thing to say, and could be seen as a defense mechanism, but it just doesn't ring true to me deep inside. Maybe thats how powerful the programming is, but I don't accept that either, cos its obviously not powerful enough to be completely hidden from you, or lilypat or others here and elsewhere. There would have been some hints somewhere.

Especially cos of all the occult/magic stuff I have done. Breaking down your personality and putting it back together is something I have done in my own time and places, and there is nothing in there that seems out of the ordinary. None of those structure that beth goobie talks aboutfor example. None of the known triggers I have seen have ever done anything. I disasssociate sure, but its usually cos I am thinking about my own stuff, I have never disassociated in a way that i wasn't aware of what was happening around me, I was jsut ignoring it cos i was thinking about something else.

the weird thing in the Tassie preschool, well maybe there was something going on there, I dunno. Its at the very edge of my memory to go back that far, but if anything it was probably just the fact that I don't react well to authority. I wouldn't be surprised if I was a complete pain in the arse to anyone trying to socialise me into a school mentality. So I wouldn't be surprised if that is just a memory of being punished for trying to do what I wanted not what I was told. IE sleeping after lunch, sitting down and listening instead of going outside to play etc etc.

Its certainly the pattern all the way to high school, and I only pulled my head in then cos of what happened in Tassie. we moved to melbourne and I remember trying to make an effort to "be good Johnny" (like the men at work song that came out around that time ). Cos my olds had been through hell and me trying to behave made thewir lives a little easier.

In Tassie we were wild. Me and me friends used to steal fencing masks and hunt each other through the bush with air rifles, hide above roads with skyrockets and shoot them "bazooka style" at cars driving by and stuff. Try and sneak into peoples houses, not to steal anything, but cos we weren't sposed to, and any number of other youthful fun and games.

We didn't fit in at all.

I have a lot of residual trauma from childhood, but it was cos I was the only black kid in my school, or for that matter that I knew. I copped alot of racism over those years and it still pisses me off inside. Always been standing on the outside looking in from that POV. But thats pretty much it. That stuff is still locked in my body/chi flow, but its nowhere near as bad as it was years ago.

All this feels a bit self indulgent and a bit like justifying something tho so i'll stop now.

my take on the MC thing is this tho.

It is using techniques that are human potentials or whatever you want to call them, techniques for connection to the greater world Gaia and all that goes with it, and to the other world, where our spirits come from, to remove or disconnect people from that world, and this one.

And applying the results of these techniques to society at large as well.

I have read through most of what you wrote here. I will reread it later, right now I am pushing the clock (we just lost an hour cause the economy is going down the toilet here (thank you China and Israel) so in desparation Congress voted to set the clocks back for daylight savings time one month early. Fooling mother nature is a bad idea though, but they still keep trying.

I need to stop you right now and ask you something. You say your father was Black, so let me ask you, and please don't take offense, was he mixed race Black? Was your mother Black also? I need to know in order to evaluate your situation. What is the full nature of your ancestry? Were you born in Britain?

You won't understand completely of course, because I haven't told you everything about certain aspects of your story and why I recognized right away something that really is only done with people who have a prior history as well as people who are trauma-conditioned multiples. I know that your references as are most people's informed from common sources and the over gestalt of what is actually happening is little undersatood or, as the case may be, completely misinterpetted. However, that misinterpetation is intentionally engineeered.

You should know that in your story, what happned to you and your subsequent memory and understanding of it based on that memory WAS ENGINEERED.

I know that because the structure of your expereince is very very familiar. I know what they were doing. I can say this as I KNOW from past experience working with many many other and also because, as I said in an earlier post ....I have seen the elephant ....and I had an "intervetntion" of sorts, by human beings involved in one of the programs I was in during my childhood. They were involved but in an ancillary kind of way ...they were brilliant ...they also had a moral dillemma that they could not reconcile , so they used their brilliance to attempt to reconcile it in the only way they felt they could ....without being detected and or getting themsleves killed for it. So, I have had an extra hand in my own story which, indeed, did work in my case ...and because of that hand I have beeen able to help others ....I don't waste my time. Those I do help are few; one at a time ...and they are worthy of my time. Not all are successful, but all know more than they knew before they met me.

No one can tell another what their own truth is ...only one can point in certain drirections and advise "look here" based on their own experience and as this whole Monarch thing hass certain "universals' in regard to the structural dynamics and other common denominators, I can say that I may be a bit further down the road then others and I can say I KNOW things because, perhaps from where I stand on the long path of No Return, I can see things and know what I see ('see' being not limited to sight) is as true and real as what you describe when you sepak of such mundane and worldy things as your football matchs ...I see them in that same kinda manner, without the gloss and the charade and part of tyhe reason why is because I was trained at the business end of an electric cattle prod to be able to access pure "target information" without any "gloss" or conscious projection put into it ..and as a child I also had this ability up close and in person; I COULD "SEE" THEM AS THEY WERE RIGHT THROUGH THEIR PRETENSE and that is one of the reasons I was "chosen" for the programs I was ...chosen for and so 'finely-tuned' ... and so I have done an aikido flip on them in so many words...using what they taught me to do to them ....brilliant eh? ....and because I can "see" in this manner and I can say to others a little less traveled up this path ...."hey, I know what that is ....been there done that got the t-shirt" and I can help them navigate the path so as to avoid endless pointless traps designed to keep them stuck in looped paradigms and circular programming ....for the path is a very twisted one and illsuionary one frought with sometimes grave dangers, designed by them and forever changing like a chess game in which they move ALL the pieces and you and I are just "pawns' in the game.

The key is, Joe, that the trick to finding the true way through their lies and deception, is to realize, as any good chess player does, that the pawn is the most important piece on the chessboard.





-OSR

[Onesmartrat]

Well, I see this thread has attracted the "usual suspects."

Took you awhile though ...lol.




"Let the games begin..."

lol



-OSR