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Attack Ships on Fire wrote:Wombaticus Rex wrote:^^What are the "scientific clues" for reptilians? That definitely piques my interest.
slimmouse wrote:For those who consistently claim that this is little more than "human nature", then you need to either think more seriously about what you're saying there, or get out more.
Attack Ships on Fire wrote:The problem that I see with the leaders in conspiracy/paranews alternative theories is that they refuse to question each other. Alex Jones will have David Icke on his show and the two will only talk about the subject matter that they can both agree on. Alex won't broach the subject of reptoids, or that Christianity may be derived from sun god worship. Similarly Icke won't engage Jones in such a debate. It borders on the same selective critique of opposing viewpoints that Icke singles out in his latest newsletter.
8bitagent wrote:I think Icke is just trying to have a unique angle, but when it comes down to it...aliens, reptillians, etc...I think just in my own take it's all minions of the devil. I think that John Dee, Alice Bailey, Madam Blavatsky, etc are talking about the same things abductees, etc are talking about.
Ley Line Energy lines, crop circles, UFO's...I dont see this evidence of "extraterrestrials", but a battle ground of dark spirtual deception.
8bitagent wrote:But to utter such things is to be labelled a "Christian", and greatly upsets people who want to see such anomalous things as happy little green men from Mars.
Attack Ships on Fire wrote:8bitagent wrote:I think Icke is just trying to have a unique angle, but when it comes down to it...aliens, reptillians, etc...I think just in my own take it's all minions of the devil. I think that John Dee, Alice Bailey, Madam Blavatsky, etc are talking about the same things abductees, etc are talking about.
Ley Line Energy lines, crop circles, UFO's...I dont see this evidence of "extraterrestrials", but a battle ground of dark spirtual deception.
The problem that I have with those who view the UFO or extraterrestrial visitors theory as having its origin with the Devil is that there appears to be no evidence to back it up. It's like saying "God is angry because there is thunder and lightning in the sky"; you're taking something that had (at one time) a lot of mystery and wonder associated with it, as well as fear, and providing an explanation for it that doesn't require proof. God, and his opposite, are supernatural creatures and the majority of people that believe in their existence do not need any proof to continue to believe in them. The UFO phenomena does have circumstantial evidence to it (videos, radar reports, some physical items) that suggest to me that the intelligence behind it isn't supernatural but possessive of advanced technology or a deeper scientific understanding of how to manipulate the rules of reality. I don't see much in favor of the answer lying in the realms of the religious-based supernatural.8bitagent wrote:But to utter such things is to be labelled a "Christian", and greatly upsets people who want to see such anomalous things as happy little green men from Mars.
Now you're assigning your bias to the people who believe that there is an ET/UT answer behind *some* of the UFO phenomena. I currently believe in this theory and I also don't think for one second that they are little green men from Mars visiting this planet. What makes your belief in the true nature of UFOs any different from the people like me that express their beliefs in an non-terrestrial factor lying behind the UFOs?
Furthermore my own life experience with most people that want to spread the word of North American mainstream Christianity is that they are very close-minded towards any other spiritual viewpoints save their own. To them there is *no* other road to God except through accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Additionally I have engaged in debates with Christians that believe dinosaurs were alive within the past 7,000 years and that generally accepted scientific practices like carbon dating to determine rough ages for fossils is 100% invalid. Forgive me if you believe that I am saying that *you* are one of these kinds of Christians, for that is not my intent. Let me be very clear: it is just my experience that these kinds of Christians are not open at all to a critical examination of associated subject matter that they believe falls within the boundaries of their faith. I believe that a person can have faith in any supernatural deity or creation story because faith comes from a inner belief in something that may not be provable; however, I also believe that just because one may have faith in the North American form of Christianity does not excuse one from switching off their brain from examining the world's mysteries and their origins.
I would love to hear more about your reasons for believing in the demonic theory behind UFOs, if you're willing to share either publically or privately in IM.
8bitagent wrote:Non human intelligence out of Tibet filtered through Qabbalist and Egyptology parables, yet seeming highly racist with more of the same Aryan mumbo jumbo.
theeKultleeder wrote:8bitagent wrote:Non human intelligence out of Tibet filtered through Qabbalist and Egyptology parables, yet seeming highly racist with more of the same Aryan mumbo jumbo.
I have never come across this "mumbo jumbo" from Tibet. People always mention it, and as far as I can tell it's a confabulation of Blavatsky's imagination and anthropology from an era where anything not Christian and white is by definition evil and/or inferior. Since that time a great number of highly dedicated practitioners have sat at the feet of Teachers for decades before they began translations and commentaries on the Tibetan Cannon.
Crowley, for example, has exactly zero understanding of Tibetan Buddhism (Vajrayana or Buddha-Tantra), he hardly mentions it, but he had a good working knowledge of the Pali Cannon and Hindu traditions of yoga and so forth.
I've never really seen a racist Qaballa, or an "Egyptology parable." This theory of yours does sound like something a Christian disinformationist would tell people to scare them away from authentic wisdom.
Like the official Catholic line on Zen still taught to people as infallible truth: that it's nihilistic. It's either an outright lie or a complete and idiotic lack of understanding.
Doodad wrote:Personally, it's all horseshit as far as I'm concerned born from the primordial fears and need to explain them away; to fill in the blanks-something our brains are wired to do.
Dualism will of course foster dualism in its thinking about things so it can't help but result in us against them and smart versus stupid dichotomies. And look around. How many instances do you see of posters here who feel they are on the side of the angels; good as opposed to evil? Even secularists and atheists succumb to the urge and develop complex plans and rationales to try and bolster their own tribe in an effort that is essentially for all such aspirants akin to herding cats. Cats seem to like bright shiny objects and novel things so a "miracle," or two will help, as will unusual apparitions.
Since they are all herding cats, why would any one group not be interested in making sure they have their share of cat luring strangeness?
8bitagent wrote:theeKultleeder wrote:8bitagent wrote:Non human intelligence out of Tibet filtered through Qabbalist and Egyptology parables, yet seeming highly racist with more of the same Aryan mumbo jumbo.
I have never come across this "mumbo jumbo" from Tibet. People always mention it, and as far as I can tell it's a confabulation of Blavatsky's imagination and anthropology from an era where anything not Christian and white is by definition evil and/or inferior. Since that time a great number of highly dedicated practitioners have sat at the feet of Teachers for decades before they began translations and commentaries on the Tibetan Cannon.
Crowley, for example, has exactly zero understanding of Tibetan Buddhism (Vajrayana or Buddha-Tantra), he hardly mentions it, but he had a good working knowledge of the Pali Cannon and Hindu traditions of yoga and so forth.
I've never really seen a racist Qaballa, or an "Egyptology parable." This theory of yours does sound like something a Christian disinformationist would tell people to scare them away from authentic wisdom.
Like the official Catholic line on Zen still taught to people as infallible truth: that it's nihilistic. It's either an outright lie or a complete and idiotic lack of understanding.
Whoah dude, I absolutely LOVE Tibetan spirituality, Buddhism, and many aspects of Hebrew beliefs.
However, I was merely pointing out Blavatsky, Alice Bailey and the Nazi's keen interest in Tibet
Really good, tho mainstream article, on why the Nazis loved both Tibetan beliefs and occultic theosophy/Teutonic/etc beliefs...and why they were utterly obsessed with Tibet
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsi ... myths.html
Also here
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/ar ... tibet.html
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=18654
Here's the root of Nazi Aryanism, which comes from Indian/Asian spirituality...tho perverted through Satanic occultism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race#Theosophy
I don't kind anything racist about Qabbalistic occultism or the Kabballah.
Or anything based on the Talmud.
I was saying that going by accounts, that "non human intelligence" if it exists, seems to have a very racist bent and may possibly be where people think of Nordic supermen.
I loathe most of post Constantine Christianity, as it seems like an intentional way to coopt and poison original Christ teaching and create wedge issues.
Again, this is the thing...nothing is black and white. A pentagram isnt "bad", but in the context of the White House and Pentagon I feel it is.
This alleged civilization declined when other parts of the world were colonized after the 8,000 BC destruction of Atlantis because the inferior races mixed with the "Aryans" but it left traces of their civilization in Tibet (via Buddhism), and even in Central America, South America, and Ancient Egypt.
theeKultleeder wrote:Doodad wrote:Personally, it's all horseshit as far as I'm concerned born from the primordial fears and need to explain them away; to fill in the blanks-something our brains are wired to do.
Dualism will of course foster dualism in its thinking about things so it can't help but result in us against them and smart versus stupid dichotomies. And look around. How many instances do you see of posters here who feel they are on the side of the angels; good as opposed to evil? Even secularists and atheists succumb to the urge and develop complex plans and rationales to try and bolster their own tribe in an effort that is essentially for all such aspirants akin to herding cats. Cats seem to like bright shiny objects and novel things so a "miracle," or two will help, as will unusual apparitions.
Since they are all herding cats, why would any one group not be interested in making sure they have their share of cat luring strangeness?
There is dualism and there is non-dualism, which is certainly not reductionism.
Look here for my reply to your position. Don't do yourself a disservice by putting yourself on the horseshit side of a materialist<-->every-other-possibility dichotomy.
theeKultleeder wrote:Your citations say nothing about Nazi love for Tibetan beliefs - surely the warrior tribes of Tibet, related to the Mongols, who were civilized by the importation of authentic Indian Buddhism at the height of Buddhist scholarship and development in India, who then "demilitarized" their nation (Thurman), are no where near being any kind of Aryan supermen, or of ever thinking of themselves that way.
As a matter of fact, your sources say exactly what I implied above - the Nazi ideas about Tibet were nothing more than Theosophical fantasy.
I've read the Trimondi book, and it is okay but has some serious misrepresentations in it.
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