9/11 & JFK Finally Solved(Thanks to The Dark Knight)

[8bitagent]

"Osama did it". "The Neocons did it". "Israel did it". "Pakistan or Saudi Arabia did it".

This 4 minute segment from the Dark Knight, as was suggested by some people months ago, pretty much shows how events like 9/11...JFK, ect
"go down". As Peter Dale Scott would say, a "meta play from the deep state", where each party doesnt know what the other is doing(or sometimes, not knowing they are involved in a conspiracy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVqXAsyHnNA

[Penguin]

That whole movie felt to me like a "Revealing of the Method" kind of propaganda movie (did not pay to see it oh no) - yeah, that robbery scene was fabulous

All in all - With the requisite military porn, black matte metal surfaces and messing with your hedfunk. And the necessary moral greyness all around - no, there are no right things to do, just nasty necessary ones. Interrogation 3, calling Jack Bauer. And the feelygood humane bitness like the end. Makes you eat it right up.

[Searcher08]

I think it would be very interesting to do some in-depth deconstruction of the first six minutes of that film - it has so many aspects that could be useful for real 9-11 investigation:

The operational team erasing itself
A hit from 'bad guys' ON 'bad guys' - (a mob bank)
Compartmentalised ops teams working across sites

The most important shot has to to the opening minute - a banking aerial shot targeting a skyscraper, where people inside are blowing windows *outward* and travelling between buildings.... and after this film we have the release of the high wire walker between the buildings... all pointing to themes of communication between the buildings during the event...

This is the first six minutes , with the key 'aerial' scene
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=517627912214958199&hl=en

[8bitagent]

I think it would be very interesting to do some in-depth deconstruction of the first six minutes of that film - it has so many aspects that could be useful for real 9-11 investigation:

The operational team erasing itself
A hit from 'bad guys' ON 'bad guys' - (a mob bank)
Compartmentalised ops teams working across sites

The most important shot has to to the opening minute - a banking aerial shot targeting a skyscraper, where people inside are blowing windows *outward* and travelling between buildings.... and after this film we have the release of the high wire walker between the buildings... all pointing to themes of communication between the buildings during the event...

This is the first six minutes , with the key 'aerial' scene
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=517627912214958199&hl=en

Aww, "Man On Wire", an excellent documentary which to me shows the esoteric will power thats long been connected with the World Trade Towers.

The audacity and genius of the bank robbery scene...from the wire pulley
stunt from one building to another...to the compartmentalized dog eat dog(or dog programmed to eat dog) heist by criminals of a criminal bank
and then the finale with how the Joker escapes is too classic.

Speaking of criminal banks, Im surprised noone has mentioned the big new Clive Owen action movie coming out, based literally on the most famous of all NWO banks: BCCI:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pict ... rnational/

BCCI, of course is what I feel to be the backbone of 9/11 and most trans national corporate narco-terror-arms-intel operations.

[elfismiles]

Speaking of criminal banks, Im surprised noone has mentioned the big new Clive Owen action movie coming out, based literally on the most famous of all NWO banks: BCCI:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pict ... rnational/

BCCI, of course is what I feel to be the backbone of 9/11 and most trans national corporate narco-terror-arms-intel operations.

Thanks 8bit! Had no idea about that flick.

Haven't seen the trailer yet but I would bet its inspired by Casolaro's OCTOPUS.

miles

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Nominated for least accurate thread title. Give us a break, 8bit.

I looked at the movie clips. Pointless brutality. Nothing solved. Just more desensitization.

[8bitagent]

Nominated for least accurate thread title. Give us a break, 8bit.

I looked at the movie clips. Pointless brutality. Nothing solved. Just more desensitization.

For someone who talks about how the CIA/Pentagon are behind every act of bad in the world, Im surprised you don't recognize that I was talking about compartmentalization. Something that the CIA/Pentagon/Western government structure are masters at.

Btw, is there any movies you can literally sit through without your mind wondering if every moment is part of some CIA/Pentagon psyop?
As I tell ya, the CIA/Pentagon spooks must be in every nation...as Ive seen some Korean, Bollywood, and Icelandic films that could be considered "meme reversals"

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Nominated for least accurate thread title. Give us a break, 8bit.

I looked at the movie clips. Pointless brutality. Nothing solved. Just more desensitization.

For someone who talks about how the CIA/Pentagon are behind every act of bad in the world, Im surprised you don't recognize that I was talking about compartmentalization. Something that the CIA/Pentagon/Western government structure are masters at.

Ok. I'll ratchet back a tad.
Granted. I got that. Compartmentalization is an extremely important concept.
And I have posited that CIA-Hollywood shows us 'their world' to make us empathize with their ugly worst-case-scenario world viewpoint.

Guess my criticism is that those clips are mostly brutality desensitization (ouch, my mind!) rather than as instructive as your thread title. I learned lots about compartmentalization from READING ex-CIA whistleblower, John Stockwell, in his non-fiction book called 'In Search of Enemies' written back in the mid-70s, for instance.

So I'd encourage others to learn spookcraft from other sources. Preferably non-fiction.

Btw, is there any movies you can literally sit through without your mind wondering if every moment is part of some CIA/Pentagon psyop?

No. Culture is very complex and unwitting and witting agency overlaps.
One should never turn off the scrutinizing left brain. "Vigilance."

As I tell ya, the CIA/Pentagon spooks must be in every nation...as Ive seen some Korean, Bollywood, and Icelandic films that could be considered "meme reversals"

I think you're right. Movies are the most effective tool of memetic engineering and it would make sense for other governments to exploit this, not just CIA.

The British film industry sometimes does work for CIA-Hollywood, for sure. And vice-versa.

[8bitagent]

So youre saying Hugh, that all the films that "expose how the elite work" like Network, Matrix, 1984, A Scanner Darkly, Shooter, V For Vendetta, ect are themselves a poison pill...a "revelation of the method"?

Well, in the Matrix Cipher says he knows the steak isnt real, but that "ignorance is bliss".

I love watching ultra violent movies with friends and playing ultra violent shooting games with friends...and its funny, as much as I know a lot of that is used to recruit kids into the army or promote false patriotic, sacred male bravado...well; "ignorance is bliss"

[Penguin]

So youre saying Hugh, that all the films that "expose how the elite work" like Network, Matrix, 1984, A Scanner Darkly, Shooter, V For Vendetta, ect are themselves a poison pill...a "revelation of the method"?

Well, in the Matrix Cipher says he knows the steak isnt real, but that "ignorance is bliss".

I love watching ultra violent movies with friends and playing ultra violent shooting games with friends...and its funny, as much as I know a lot of that is used to recruit kids into the army or promote false patriotic, sacred male bravado...well; "ignorance is bliss"

Actually I said that And yea, nowadays I cant watch barely anything and just enjoy it. Luckily some domestic movies, and some old masters exist..Anything from big studios etc. is either such droll or so full of memetic engineering that you just cant watch em in any other mode but Bullshit detector at setting 10.

Too bad I love games too

[8bitagent]

So youre saying Hugh, that all the films that "expose how the elite work" like Network, Matrix, 1984, A Scanner Darkly, Shooter, V For Vendetta, ect are themselves a poison pill...a "revelation of the method"?

Well, in the Matrix Cipher says he knows the steak isnt real, but that "ignorance is bliss".

I love watching ultra violent movies with friends and playing ultra violent shooting games with friends...and its funny, as much as I know a lot of that is used to recruit kids into the army or promote false patriotic, sacred male bravado...well; "ignorance is bliss"

Actually I said that And yea, nowadays I cant watch barely anything and just enjoy it. Luckily some domestic movies, and some old masters exist..Anything from big studios etc. is either such droll or so full of memetic engineering that you just cant watch em in any other mode but Bullshit detector at setting 10.

Too bad I love games too

Well they sure are good at twisting things. I saw Iron Man, which looked like a big "White America taking on the evil Muslims in a cave" meme, a film that looked like and probably still is total US govt propaganda.

But then, it turns out "al Qaeda" was hired by the defense companies, and Iron Man turns on the military industrial war industry.

See how the "memetic" programing is getting more complex?

[MinM]

"Osama did it". "The Neocons did it". "Israel did it". "Pakistan or Saudi Arabia did it".

This 4 minute segment from the Dark Knight, as was suggested by some people months ago, pretty much shows how events like 9/11...JFK, etc "go down". As Peter Dale Scott would say, a "meta play from the deep state", where each party doesn't know what the other is doing(or sometimes, not knowing they are involved in a conspiracy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVqXAsyHnNA

Jamie Scott Enyart makes the same argument for the RFK assassination in the great interview below from a dozen years ago (replayed again last night).

Show #578
Original airdate: May 17th, 2012
Guest: Scott Enyart
Topics: RFK Research in the news

Replay of important Scott Enyart interview from July 2000

Part One Scott Enyart 30:50) Real Media or MP3 download
# Scott Enyart was a photographer and at the Ambassador Hotel the night Bobby Kennedy was murdered

Part Two Scott Enyart (38:48) Real Media or MP3 download

Part Three Scott Enyart (33:52) Real Media or MP3 download

# More from witness Nina (Roman) Rhodes-Hughes
# RFK special on Investigative Reports Part One and Part Two

Also about a decade old interview with Scott Enyart (now on mp3 ) :

Show #520
Original airdate: March 30, 2011
Guest: Scott Enyart
Topics: RFK Assassination Research

Play Part One Interview - Scott Enyart
# Interview with Len Osanic and Anita Langley July 17 2000
# Scott was a photographer in the Ambassador hotel where RFK was shot
# Details a 20 - 30 year account to retrieve his photos
# Approx 20 photos taken at the time of the shooting
# LAPD takes all evidence and hold for 20 years
# A jury awarded the photographer $450,600 in damages and compensation
# City appeals the award for lost film that costs millions?.
# 2 million lawsuit filed against the city and state on Aug. 14, 1989.

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black520a.mp3

Play Part Two Interview - Scott Enyart

# City appeals an award of 500K for lost film.
# Louis "Skip" Miller, an attorney for the city,
# Skip Miller contacts jury member... juror misconduct now requires second trial.

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black520b.mp3

Play Part Three Interview - Scott Enyart

# Audio of seven weeks of court archived...
# LAPD found three guns in the Pantry
# Special Unit Senator...
# Sirhan has no recollection of the shooting
# Thane Eugene Cesar
# Coroner threatened not to testify at first trial
# Powder burns on RFK indicate shot from 1 inch distance -Thomas Noguchi
# Records gone missing...

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black520c.mp3

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[8bitagent]

I'll have to check it out. I was in line at the grocery store yesterday and one of the news stand tabloids had a "RFK Killed By Two Shooters? Story Inside" on the cover.
I've come to realize my views on 9/11 diverge greatly from most 9/11 researchers, and fall more somewhere between Dave Emory/Paul Thompson and stuff like Walter Bosley and Jake Kotze.
Though with RFK it seemed more straight forward, collusion between CIA and crooked LAPD with some more shadow elements. Though Im also open to other wider frameworks.

[MinM]

12:44 - 13:57 "You can be a willing participant in a conspiracy without knowing that you're part of it." Jamie Scott Enyart