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I do actually, having worked multiple Ikonos & Landsat images from raw data to georeferenced and classified maps. So?Ben D wrote:You do know that spacecraft remote sensing platforms sample surface temperature in grid size elements, eg. square kilometers, and air temperature at a number of differing atmospheric altitudes, and this only when the S/C passes overhead the sampled area.
Ben D wrote:Satellite images may be impressive, but unless the data used to make these images is sufficiently comprehensive, and sampled sufficiently often, often over a good number of years, they don't really mean a lot in terms of determing climate change. To have full confidence in these satellite images, one needs to be provided with all the associated technical information involved in the data collection, and to have the technical and scientific understanding to do a proper analysis to then determine if the researcher has done real science or is merely 'cherry picking' selective parameters of the full suite of remote sensed data available, of say a NOAA sun-sychronized polar orbiting weather satellite. Don't imagine for a moment that satellite remote sensed data can't be processed 'scientifically' to get the result desired. That is precisely why it is that there is so much conjecture about what it all means in terms of present analysis and the future trend.
But you do want delay, and this a century after Arhenius identified and calculated the problem, three decades after the IPCC first met to work out how to get the science past the corporate & political whores.Ben D wrote:I reiterate, the most important first step is to find a funding source whose sponsors have no financial, political, philosophical, or scientific conflict of interest in the result, and unfortunately this would seem pretty unrealistic in the short term. It is not a matter of me wanting to delay, the GW lobby has concluded that it's own data is correct and all others are wrong, but in the mind of some, their conclusion is premature.
wintler2 wrote:Ben D wrote:All I know is that sea temperature go up and sea temperature go down
Where is your data for arctic sea temp trending up?
Penguin wrote:Translation from finnish by me, published today in an environmental newsletter.
Arctic warming leading to 'regime change' in North Atlantic ecosystems
UK Telegraph 7 Nov 08
The planet is experiencing some of the most dramatic climate changes in mankind's history, according to a new study.
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"The rate of warming we are seeing is unprecedented in human history," said oceanographer Prof Charles Greene who led the study published in the journal Ecology.
The study looked at the climate record to gain a better understanding of melting Arctic ice sheets and glaciers and the impact on the North Atlantic. They found there had been periods of rapid cooling in the past when temperatures had dropped by as much as 10ºC in only a few years but they found nothing to match the current rate of warming.
The huge amounts – or 'pulses' – of fresh water melt over the past 10 years had led to clearly identifiable shifts in the distribution of plankton.
Microscopic algae previously found in the Pacific Ocean was now occurring in the North Atlantic for the first time in 800,000 years while a number of species of North Atlantic plankton were now being found much further south.
Both were indications that there had been a major change in the circulation patterns in the Arctic and Atlantic Oceans. ..
Ben D wrote:Financial meltdown defrocks deceit of man-made global warming
Dr. Tim Ball ..
“Dr. Tim Ball is .. an advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition, Friends of Science and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.”
Sourcewatch: ..International Climate Science Coalition ..
It has been found[2] that the web sites of the International Climate Science Coalition, the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, and the Australian Climate Science Coalition are all hosted by a single Internet service provider in Arizona.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... _Coalition
Just so, particularly when those posting it make no real attempt to explain, clarify or defend their material. Why post it then? Because they work by repetition.Penguin wrote:.. Using consistenly fraudulent and misleading data promoting laissez-faire big business lies should not pass.
Thanks, but don't stay up late for it - Ben D's silence is as good as admission that he knows his sources are pro-polluter fronts.Penguin wrote:.. I will check the IPs and traceroute them on those sites and report back.
Do whatever keeps your loneliness manageable, but spare the thread your offtopic jibes.monster wrote:Wintler, I think I'll light my fireplace tonight - add some CO2 to the atmosphere, just for you
wintler2 wrote:Do whatever keeps your loneliness manageable, but spare the thread your offtopic jibes.monster wrote:Wintler, I think I'll light my fireplace tonight - add some CO2 to the atmosphere, just for you
Spare the thread your offtopic jibes.monster wrote:Oops, you just bought yourself some more CO2 - my carbon footprint is going to grow in direct proportion to your misanthropy.
Arctic Sea Ice Decline Shakes Up Ocean Ecosystems
Saturday, November 8, 2008
Uncertain as to how phytoplankton -- microscopic marine plants on which much of ocean life depends -- would respond to Arctic sea ice decline, researchers took advantage of NASA satellite images to show that the microscopic floating plants are teeming in regions of recent ice melt.
The explosion in phytoplankton populations is the result of new open-water habitat and, more significantly, an extended ice-free growing season, biological oceanographer Kevin Arrigo and colleagues from Stanford University in Stanford, Calif., reported last month in the American Geophysical Union's Geophysical Research Letters. ...
http://www.sflorg.com/earthnews/en110808_01.html
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