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isachar wrote:freemason sez:
"Of course, this may not be your run-of-the-mill fruit picking. This could actually be the Real Deal. In that case, it probably doesn't matter what you do anyway"
That is one of the most foolish, ignorant, and dumbest statements I've ever read on RI. Beats any of the nonsense orz and nomo have ever posted.
It matters very greatly. And if you can't tell by now that this isn't the 'run-of-the-mill' fruit picking you're not terribly observant.
ninakat wrote:freemason9 wrote:Obama's great gamble is expending great wealth in anticipation of a recovery, and subsequently taxing the aristocracy to return wealth to the working class.
Believe that at your own peril. First, you have to believe that Obama is a representative of the people, not the aristocracy. Second, you have to believe that Obama expects a real recovery (i.e. that he doesn't have a clue about where the economy is actually heading -- that'll be "the incompetence theory" after the SHTF). Third, you have to believe that he's actually planning on taking from the rich and giving to the poor, not just giving the idea lip service.
That's an awful lot of blind faith, none of it based in fact.
ninakat wrote:Karl Denninger with some serious doom (is he correct? -- I don't follow him):
What's Dead (Short Answer: All Of It)
March 5, 2009
Just so you have a short list of what's at stake if Washington DC doesn't change policy here and now (which means before the collapse in equities comes, which could start as soon as today, if the indicators I watch have any validity at all. For what its worth, those indicators are painting a picture of the Apocalypse that I simply can't believe, and they're showing it as an imminent event - like perhaps today imminent.)
► All pension funds, private and public, are done. If you are receiving one, you won't be. If you think you will in the future, you won't be. PBGC will fail as well. Pension funds will be forced to start eating their "seed corn" within the next 12 months and once that begins there is no way to recover.
► All annuities will be defaulted to the state insurance protection (if any) on them. The state insurance funds will be bankrupted and unable to be replenished. Essentially, all annuities are toast. Expect zero, be ecstatic if you do better. All insurance companies with material exposure to these obligations will go bankrupt, without exception. Some of these firms are dangerously close to this happening right here and now; the rest will die within the next 6-12 months. If you have other insured interests with these firms, be prepared to pay a LOT more with a new company that can't earn anything off investments, and if you have a claim in process at the time it happens, it won't get paid. The probability of you getting "boned" on any transaction with an insurance company is extremely high - I rate this risk in excess of 90%.
► The FDIC will be unable to cover bank failure obligations. They will attempt to do more of what they're doing now (raising insurance rates and doing special assessments) but will fail; the current path has no chance of success. Congress will backstop them (because they must lest shotguns come out) with disastrous results. In short, FDIC backstops will take precedence even over Social Security and Medicare.
► Government debt costs will ramp. This warning has already been issued and is being ignored by President Obama. When (not if) it happens debt-based Federal Funding will disappear. This leads to....
► Tax receipts are cratering and will continue to. I expect total tax receipts to fall to under $1 trillion within the next 12 months. Combined with the impossibility of continued debt issue (rollover will only remain possible at the short duration Treasury has committed to over the last ten years if they cease new issue) a 66% cut in the Federal Budget will become necessary. This will require a complete repudiation of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, a 50% cut in the military budget and a 50% across-the-board cut in all other federal programs. That will likely get close.
► Tax-deferred accounts will be seized to fund rollovers of Treasury debt at essentially zero coupon (interest). If you have a 401k, or what's left of it, or an IRA, consider it locked up in Treasuries; it's not yours any more. Count on this happening - it is essentially a certainty.
► Any firm with debt outstanding is currently presumed dead as the street presumption is that they have lied in some way. Expect at least 20% of the S&P 500 to fail within 12 months as a consequence of the complete and total lockup of all credit markets which The Fed will be unable to unlock or backstop. This will in turn lead to....
► The unemployed will have 5-10 million in direct layoffs added within the next 12 months. Collateral damage (suppliers, customers, etc) will add at least another 5-10 million workers to that, perhaps double that many. U-3 (official unemployment rate) will go beyond 15%, U-6 (broad form) will reach 30%.
► Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get.
The good news is that this process will clear The Bezzle out of the system.
The bad news is that you won't have a job, pension, annuity, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and, quite possibly, your life.
It really is that bleak folks, and it all goes back to Washington DC being unwilling to lock up the crooks, putting the market in the role it has always played - that of truth-finder, no matter how destructive that process is.
Only immediate action from Washington DC, taking the market's place, can stop this, and as I get ready to hit "send" I see the market rolling over again, now down more than 3% and flashing "crash imminent" warnings. You may be reading this too late for it to matter.
In 3 minutes, what's coming.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGWMs5cdQ2k
JackRiddler wrote:.
Re: Bloomberg v. Federal Reserve.
A very important case. A verdict for Bloomberg might be the moment when the "Federal Reserve loses control." As with the spook complex, their power derives from secrecy. If the books are thrown open, they become a branch of the government.
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freemason9 wrote:isachar wrote:freemason sez:
"Of course, this may not be your run-of-the-mill fruit picking. This could actually be the Real Deal. In that case, it probably doesn't matter what you do anyway"
That is one of the most foolish, ignorant, and dumbest statements I've ever read on RI. Beats any of the nonsense orz and nomo have ever posted.
It matters very greatly. And if you can't tell by now that this isn't the 'run-of-the-mill' fruit picking you're not terribly observant.
Dang. That was harsh.
Why would it not matter? Because, if it is the Real Deal, I strongly suspect you will see currency devaluation on a grand scale. And, if that happens, it will be done to reset debt; of course, it will also reset investments. You would be looking at a new dollar basis, and existing stores of wealth would be redefined.
If it's the Real Real Deal, dollars will rapidly become absolutely meaningless. That's why current investment decisions MAY be moot.
Americans have long been brainwashed into believing that they can create personal economic security through financial decisions and investments. In economics, though, there are no rules and no ways to assure sound risk management in tumultuous times.
The dollar is illusory, as is every other worldwide currency. The value of the dollar is directly comparable to gold or dirt, depending upon the panic of the populous and the reactions of the aristocracy.
In the harshest of circumstances, in fact, dollar accumulations may become a liability. Think about it.
isachar wrote:freemason9 wrote:isachar wrote:freemason sez:
"Of course, this may not be your run-of-the-mill fruit picking. This could actually be the Real Deal. In that case, it probably doesn't matter what you do anyway"
That is one of the most foolish, ignorant, and dumbest statements I've ever read on RI. Beats any of the nonsense orz and nomo have ever posted.
It matters very greatly. And if you can't tell by now that this isn't the 'run-of-the-mill' fruit picking you're not terribly observant.
Dang. That was harsh.
Why would it not matter? Because, if it is the Real Deal, I strongly suspect you will see currency devaluation on a grand scale. And, if that happens, it will be done to reset debt; of course, it will also reset investments. You would be looking at a new dollar basis, and existing stores of wealth would be redefined.
If it's the Real Real Deal, dollars will rapidly become absolutely meaningless. That's why current investment decisions MAY be moot.
Americans have long been brainwashed into believing that they can create personal economic security through financial decisions and investments. In economics, though, there are no rules and no ways to assure sound risk management in tumultuous times.
The dollar is illusory, as is every other worldwide currency. The value of the dollar is directly comparable to gold or dirt, depending upon the panic of the populous and the reactions of the aristocracy.
In the harshest of circumstances, in fact, dollar accumulations may become a liability. Think about it.
FM9, sorry for the harsh tone, but like the Zen Master sez, sometimes a slap upside the head generates far more enlightenment than years of studying the Sutras.
Anyway, you've presumed that the only course of action for an individual is to accumulate dollars, which is not correct.
Few will be unscathed, but some will come out better than others and those are the folks who begin making the right decisions now. Doing nothing because 'it doesn't matter what you do anyway' is not the right decision.
Hope you aren't foolish enough to follow your own advice.
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