Let's buy a bridge = A theory of RA in the United States.

[lightningBugout]

I've never met a survivor who didn't seem to offer compassion and non-judgment to other survivors, truly.

Actually, that brings up an FMSF talking point. Their caricature of a self-help movement turned witch trial often talked about survivors' groups as though they were opportunities for participants to try and "outdo" each other with the scope and horror of their experience. Obviously (I hope) that's propaganda. But it has always made me laugh because if anything, the opposite is true. In my experience talking about the abuse itself at such a group accounts for, say, 5% of what goes on.

[genericsyncretic]

I've never met a survivor who didn't seem to offer compassion and non-judgment to other survivors, truly.

Actually, that brings up an FMSF talking point. Their caricature of a self-help movement turned witch trial often talked about survivors' groups as though they were opportunities for participants to try and "outdo" each other with the scope and horror of their experience. Obviously (I hope) that's propaganda. But it has always made me laugh because if anything, the opposite is true. In my experience talking about the abuse itself at such a group accounts for, say, 5% of what goes on.

They're just confusing survivor support networks with FMSF company barbecues. Every summer they all get together and try to outdo each other as to who's committed the most vile acts and gotten away with it that year.

[Project Willow]

It's hard to start talking about elite pedophile networks if you don't have a few hours and a power point presentation ready to explain why you're not nuts.

I'm going to tack that on my bulletin board.

[8bitagent]

And its just amazing his work hasnt gone super nova viral.

I think Jeff's book is one of the first best, real counterculture books of our time. It may take quite a while to explode. I'm sure it will but I also think its one of the most difficult books within its genre (if it has one.) I read it after a couple years watching the board and still found it overwhelming at times.

Hehe, like in several decades a new generation of college kids will discover it; and it'll be like the new Vonnegut or Hunter S thompson.

Ive seen the book at virtually all the book stores I go to. Some its in current events, some put it in Metaphysical/New Age.

Im hoping Jeff and others have discovered the Wrong Way Wizard blog.
Its the closest thing Ive seen to Jeff's style, but even more out there:
http://wrongwaywizard.blogspot.com/2008 ... ug_23.html

anyways, you're right...RI the book is certainly difficult in terms of fully digesting and labeling.

[8bitagent]

Is that an attitude you've encountered before? I'm curious, if this is offensive to some victims of the more personal types of abuse. It's something I was afraid of at one point, I know that. Introducing my lovely bride to this material wasn't something I particularly relished as I was afraid it could be triggering for her or insulting in some way. Anyway, that's not how it came off, which is good because I'd rather not keep an idea to myself. Since then I haven't thought about it a lot. Obviously, there's nothing we talk about here that should be denigrating to any kind of abuse victim. And suggesting that these things happen on an organized level shouldn't detract from the one on one abuses that go on in far too many homes.

Oh definitely. However a few people Ive met who clearly went through a lot of trauma at the hand of a "loved one" dont seem surprised at all about the deep parapolitic links to ritual abuse.

All I know, is that having family members working in the capacity of mental health and sitting in on groups, Ive heard first hand quite a bit of
women(and some men's) experiencew with some of the most shocking
and shattering sexual and physical/emotional abuse.
So when I hear Cathy Obrien, Ive no doubt someone or someones did a very extensive amount of horrible things to her.
So while I myself never heard first hand of any of this sort of abuse that was tied to anything more than an abusive family member or a few individuals...again, from all we know now the idea of people in very high positions of power or organized cults tied to deep politics involved in this stuff doesnt surprise me.

Yet, we hear time and time again how people say that talking about organized pedophile cults or "Satanic ritual abuse" hurts the cause and awareness of sex crimes. Oh, "thats just panic from the 80's".

So how to "seperate the wheat from the chaffe". The problem is, to the victim what they are recollecting in painful detail is real to them even if it didnt transpire as such.
The rabbit hole is so deep here, that as much as "heavy grain of salt" might be required with some of these speakers; I cant discount anything.

You read Jeff's book, its clear some of these horrible sexual abuses people have suffered sometimes isnt even at the hands of a human.

[Percival]

"that RI attracted the attention of *someone* important who didn't like what was happening here. Why? Because of the daily focus on RA/MC."

Is there any actual evidence for this or are we just being dramatic and imaginative?

Until I see some evidence I say hyperbole.

The rest of the discussion, however, its quite interesting.

[nathan28]

"that RI attracted the attention of *someone* important who didn't like what was happening here. Why? Because of the daily focus on RA/MC."

Is there any actual evidence for this or are we just being dramatic and imaginative?

Until I see some evidence I say hyperbole.

The rest of the discussion, however, its quite interesting.

I haven't seen any RA shenanigans in a while, but if you look in the archives the a portion of the RA victims seem to travel together and show up only on certain threads. There's an epic thread about the MC/RA/MK/UFO connection that was full of some bad-faith posing IMO. That constitutes a "someone" in my mind, even if the someone is just a Sockpuppetmaster in a trailer with DSL somewhere. According to Cosmic Cowshovel "they're currently working over the David Icke forums."