Yes, thanks for getting this thread back on track, I too think it's a topic worth discussing.
I've read a little about the
wavie phenomena and I'm sorry this is happening to people (when and if it is) but I'm also "sick" about the thought of being lumped in with them under an all-inclusive mind control banner.
LilyPat2 wrote:
They also get upset if things like "scrambles" or screen memories are discussed as possible explanations for their memories. There's a rigidity of thought/mind present that doesn't allow any reality testing at all. Good point.
I agree that "reality-testing" is important in the MK mind control realm. Not, of course, because we're delusional but because of the ultra-pervasive practice on the part of the perps of implanting screen memories.
Just last year I finally got to the bottom of a memory of mine that I have been questioning for over a decade because it didn't quite add up.
The first part of it was an obvious screen implantation. I had already gone through a couple of days of degradation at a torture camp in Eastern Europe, when they gave me a strong hallucinogen and led me into a sandy enclosure with two large lizards. It was bizarre and confusing and the disinhibitory effect of the drugs lowered my capacity to feel myself as separate from the reptiles. The mind f**k might have been total if it had not been for the person standing nearby who never left the room- a man with a crew cut and glasses, holding a pen and clipboard, overseeing and taking notes.
Soon after came the memory of the thing the screen was supposed to block (what they tried to do wasn't working). I was on a bench in the cargo section of a small jet, with parachutes, gear and the man with doctor bag who had been accompanying me since we left the military base in Western Europe.
After we landed (don't really want to say where we flew to) we got into a limo type car, with two men in the front ,the doctor bag man in the back and me under a blanket in the very back. Next thing I remembered, I jumped up. I had a gun and shot the man in the passenger seat.
Okay, when I remembered this (in the mid-nineties I believe), even though it felt real and I felt the healing relief and things falling into place that I feel when another piece of the puzzle is revealed, I had a
lot of doubts about this memory.
My doubts were based in common sense i.e. in the country we were in assassins would be a dime a dozen...why bring me? Also, my hearing is very good- shooting a gun in such close range in a car would be loud enough to damage my and everyone else's hearing. And what about the bloody aftermath? I had no memory of what happened afterwards.
I wasn't sure about all of this so I kind of mentally swept it under the rug...until...news reports of "black sites" in the same Eastern European location and rendition flights using the same kind of jet I remembered started surfacing and got me to thinking about it again.
My therapist urged me to revisit the memory and SLOW everything down as much as possible. I did it on my own and guess what- there was more to this little excursion than I had previously remembered...when I slowed things down I saw the "doctor bag" man giving me a gun (probably not even loaded) and hypnotic commands while we rode in the car...THE "ASSASINATION" WAS ANOTHER SCREEN MEMORY. And this time I remembered what happened next. They brought me to a meeting with local spooks where they exchanged mind control technology. I had been brought along as the "show and tell" prototype of a mind controlled subject.
Oh, I forgot to say- the "doctor bag man" also gave me the hypnotic command that I was being personally accompanied by...Henry Kiss***ger.
(I am convinced that Henry K. is highly involved as a director of all this but am also convinced that they are deliberately implanting lots of bogus screen memories of him being present so that we will discredit ourselves when we remember and tell.)
Lbo wrote:I am fascinated by the hijacking of the term "mind control" here. While there may be some overlap, please note that people believing themselves to be victims of "gang-stalking" and surveillance, etc. comprise a 100% different category than the comparatively much more metered group of folks who believe they were exposed to extreme abuse and/or MK Ultra and its children.
More than fascinated, I'm dismayed and irritated. I believe that mind control and social engineering is real the elephant in the living room, their
modus operandi and the thing that "they" want to keep concealed at all costs.
This may require another thread, but I'd like to propose to the fine minds that congregate here that we do a little brainstorming to come up with some alternate and more precise terminology. The term "mind control" isn't going anywhere, but
mind control tends to conjure up sci-fi and woo instead of the slew of declassified documentation that proves the existence of MK Ultra. Words and associations are part of the campaign to discredit us.
If you don't believe it try introducing yourself to new friends as a "conspiracy theorist."
If someone simply accepts every single memory they've ever had about possibly program incidents, without a great deal of internal questioning, that, to me, is a giant flashing warning sign. The inability to imagine the impact of your story upon another person is a pretty good indicator for possible mental illness.
