Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

[8bitagent]

I know c2w will give me heck for this, but I admit...I was big Alex Jones listener from 2005-2007. And checked out his sites near daily from early 2005 til this year. But it's clear as ever his sheep brigade are almost as ignorant and mindless as the Glenn Beck/Fox/Rush crowd. Ever seen the comments on ANY of the "news" postings on prisonplanet? Its enough to make one vomit.

However I just feel in good conscience I can't be party to the AJ pied piper train to nowhere. Not a new occurance...at first I really was extremely offput by AJ's bombastic over the top manner, but the information he was presenting was so unusual and refreshing to me at the time having just seen "Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State" in march 2005.

However, something always bugged me, and I never truly felt "at home" with the milieu of right wing "down home" gun waving Christian conservative patriot rhetoric.

But the top things that just do not sit well with me at all:

1. His periods of intense anti Mexican xenophobia. People can try and spin it, but it was straight out of the pages of Stormfront and far right supremist websites. Anyone who remembers listening to AJ in 2006/2007 knows what I'm talking about. He would always say we're being "infested", and would quip about "filthy hordes of immigrants". He weighed in saying, the fate of America depended on stopping the tide of Mexican illegals. But often, the tone would become more against Mexicans and immigrants in general

2. His omnipresent gay bashing. It's not as prominent as the late 90's and early 2000's, but it's there. In late Oct 2008 he posted an article calling Arnold Schwarzenegger a "shill for the NWO" for Arnold's support of gay marriage. He continually would have "Christian ministers" on saying how hate crime laws infringe on their right to hate gays. He's remarked how gay adoption and gay parents are evil.

3. His full commitment to shilling for climate denial, and the right wing "global warming is a hoax". I'm sure he'll now say Naomi Klein is on "his side" for speaking against Copenhagen. AJ makes it sound like we should all live in rooms filled with carbon dioxide. Why isnt AJ speaking out about the environmental disasters created by the "NWO" that fuel climate change?

4. Not letting anyone get a word in edgewise and beating them over the head with a mallet. I remember one time he had Sibel Edmonds on, and he kept berating her and berating her that "9/11 was an inside job, right? " Like "say it bitch, say it!!!" Same crap pulled on Daniel Ellsberg.
AJ then was not very nice to Henry Rollins, Dwight Zappa's son, and a number of other guests who didnt kiss his ass or believe exactly what he believed. It's like if any caller disagrees, he's verbally abusive beyond belief and chewing his head off.

5. AJ is a LIAR. And I don't just mean cherry picking news articles to twist into something else, therefore tainting the very worthy cause he's claiming to fight for. I mean every time he's wrong(which is quite often), he'll twist it/change his story. It's beyond satire at this point.
He continually bashed William Cooper, but now says he's a hero.
He continually covered up the garbage he pulled with Genesis Network in the early days, and various physical skirmishes he got involved in.
And how can AJ claim to want to restore America to the founding fathers, and then the next week claim the Founding Fathers were child sacrificing Satanists? You dont make sense AJ!!!


6. He reminds me of an abusive step dad. Always on edge, hot tempered, paranoid as fuck, almost seeming like he's got a hand raised to knock you senseless.

7. His bullying in person. I met Alex Jones at the "9/11 Truth Conference" in LA. Even just informally talking over drinks at the hotel bar, AJ seemed confrontational, smug, bombastic and not very nice.
He berated an old Native American woman(who had to be near 80), humiliating her for simply asking some benign question in front of 1200 people. He made sure non huckster 9/11 researchers who showed up didnt get a chance to speak, and instead gave a lot of time to a whole host of no planer crap. I asked Michael Berger, a really nice guy, why he wasn't speaking...he remarked as I saw him in the lobby, that AJ didn't like how he wasn't following the program.
Then AJ proceded to tell the audience of allegedly permanently injuring some guy who is now bedridden, trying to show what a tough guy he is...then a few minutes later going into a Glenn Beck faux cry mode at all the children suffering in the world.

8. He claims to be the flagship leader of the "9/11 Truth movement", but he has completely lead a pied piper red herring of extremely controlled memes. When 9/11 first happened, he was more sensible. He continually hammered home the point that Islamic terrorism and radical Islam was a proxy of the elite agenda, intentionally stoked and provocateured. Then later he changed the story to "no Muslims terrorists involved, all 100% military industrial complex with Bush, Cheney and Larry Silverstein".
When's the last time AJ had Paul Thompson, Daniel Hopsicker, etc on?

He continually insisted certain people were in on 9/11 that absolutely had nothing to do with it, and then would later back off certain claims. Loose Change guys did this too, claiming such an such cop/official/family member was "in" on it. Totally uncalled for crap. He'd push as legitimate "witnesses" to standdown orders and "a uav hit the pentagon", fake whistleblowers he knew were fake.

9. No AJ, I don't think every child should own a gun. Running commercials every few minutes giving away free guns and saying every kid should have one is not very responsible

10. The Sept 11th Charlie Sheen stunt this year. How he can have ANY listeners after this is beyond me. He claimed all week he had the most earth shattering 9/11 whistleblower that will change the landscape, and everyone will be talking about it. It turned out to be Charlie Sheen and a fake interview with Obama they presented as legitimate.

So yeah...I don't know what AJ's issue is. The fact that Glenn Beck/Fox News/Rush hate him doesn't make *him* on the side of good.
And sorry, Ron Paul isn't the "key to restoring America".

I think the number one reason I stuck around so long, was because of his aggressive anti war views...at the time I didn't feel even the liberals in the alternative media were hitting the horror of the Afghan war or all the other stuff as much as he was.

Anyways, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes who may be a fan...but there's some serious issues with him.

Also, I finally happened upon a David Icke article from earlier this year that sure mentioned "Jew" and "bankster" a lot in the same breath(it was written by him on DavidIcke.com around early January)

So crap...not sure what "conspiracy speaker" there is to respect these days.

[Occult Means Hidden]

We all go through phases.

But more relevantly, we all outgrow our teachers (or should anyways).

I was once a big fan of Loose Change.

I'm still a fan of Noam Chomsky. But i've outgrown him. I thank him for leading me on a correct path, but being able to outgrow your teacher shows maturity. Noam Chomsky's political philosophy is somewhat quaint, now.

No longer cutting edge. Easy to understand. Easy to incorporate into "higher" schemes of thought/paradigms.

Sometimes along the way you realize the teacher was completely off base. Another sign of your growth and maturity.

[8bitagent]

We all go through phases.

But more relevantly, we all outgrow our teachers (or should anyways).

I was once a big fan of Loose Change.

I'm still a fan of Noam Chomsky. But i've outgrown him. I thank him for leading me on a correct path, but being able to outgrow your teacher shows maturity. Noam Chomsky's political philosophy is somewhat quaint, now.

No longer cutting edge. Easy to understand. Easy to incorporate into "higher" schemes of thought/paradigms.

Sometimes along the way you realize the teacher was completely off base. Another sign of your growth and maturity.

True. Though with Chomsky I still greatly like him, and never got why he got so harassed because he didn't feel Cheney was behind 9/11.
He was the one that opened me to US involvement in East Timor, which was a huge eye opener long before I saw John Pilger's films or Trials of Henry Kissinger.

As they say "take what you like, and leave the rest".
For the record I stopped being a fan of AJ awhile back, and completely stopped listening to his show around early 2007 when he started heavily pushing the global warming=hoax and "evil Mexicans" stuff. However I still checked his site and recommended his films.

Loose Change Second Edition is a good fictional mockumentary. I like it for what it is: meta fiction with a certain ambience. I do not believe any part of what is presented as any sort of fact.

Unfortunately I've also found some of the Loose Change antics quite horrendous, such as the mocking of victims families who got phone calls.
And implying or flat out saying such and such family members are "in on it". The ego on certain Loose Change folks, and sheer immaturity is out of this world as well. How Loose Change in 2006 became the #1 face of the 9/11 skeptic and research movement is beyond me.

"Oh, you question aspects of 9/11? Let me guess, you think Bush and Cheney blew up the towers, flew a missile in the pentagon and there were no passengers?"

Yeah, lovely.

[8bitagent]

Man, I found the ULTIMATE site making fun of Alex Jone's Infowars/Prisonplanet bullshit. I was laughing my ass off for a good few minutes looking at all the spoofs of Alex Jones' goofy snake oil "ads" and fear mongering patriot crap

http://fallofalexjones.com/
(youtube clips)

Here's Alex Jones a couple months ago talking about the "gay agenda" taking over, and trying to conflate that with pedophilia:
http://fallofalexjones.com/red-alert-th ... plicating/

And seriously, this had me laughing like you wouldnt believe
(only about 50 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIWX-PSd ... r_embedded

Seriously, my god that is way too funny.

[American Dream]

8bitagent wrote:

However I just feel in good conscience I can't be party to the AJ pied piper train to nowhere.

Hey, change and growth are signs of life, so that's a very good thing in this case.

As to A.J. & Icke, it's possible they're both misguided, but it's also very possible that they're consciously aligned with the kind of evil forces that are their bread and butter. So what is going on here?

[Cosmic Cowbell]

I've never listen to nor read Alex Jones. I'm now thankful for that.

He sounds like nothing but the 21st century version of William "Bill" Cooper. Jones is the new Rider of the Pale Horse.

Thanks 8Bit..

~C

[nathan28]

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=23534&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

[chiggerbit]

So yeah...I don't know what AJ's issue is.

Pretty simple--it's all about marketing.

[Belligerent Savant]

Although there's always nuggets of useful info to be found within any source, Alex Jones always seemed a charlatan to me from the onset... but as alluded above, he may have provided a starting point for many in their search for "truth", so certainly his site has it merits, if only for that... [assuming many eventually move on or evolve away from it, that is..]

My first foray into 'conspiracy' culture was that 'ol cult classic, Behold a Pale Horse, by William Cooper; I first read it in the late 90's [1998-99 or thereabouts]... I've always had an innate sense that much of what most accept as 'consensus reality' was based [at least partially] on lies/obfuscations/disinformation, and that book was my first exposure to 'alternate' theories by a former 'insider'...

Of course, over the years, as I absorbed more info from various sources/points of view, my opinion of that book changed -- I saw some shortcomings of the theories postulated in that book [and perhaps at times even question the true agenda of the author himself], but certainly, it was quite the 'eye-opening' experience, and kicked off what would eventually become more than just a 'passing hobby' of research/analysis/observations into the 'highly weird'/unexplained/suppressed, etc ...

[Searcher08]

I think he is generating more bullshit than ever, the Charlie Sheen episode had all the integrity of a doorstep confidence trick.

I too remember when he had Sibel on - given she was under a gag order and was just starting to get traction, his questioning approach was beyond crass.

Still, he has helped Peter Dale Scott get a wider audience and his last film was definitely the best he has done and paradoxically by far the most measured.

8bit, I place great store in your description of personal interactions with him. Seeing how people show up around others is really important. It reminded me of stories I had heard of Richard Dawkins, George Monbiot and others.

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Anyways, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes who may be a fan...but there's some serious issues with him.

I've never needed a guru of any sort (thanks to my very early reading of J. Krishnamurti as a kid) in any arena... religion, politics or otherwise. So I rarely look for issues in a messenger when I'm evaluating their message. Unless they're running for public office, that is. Then I watch their walk more than their talk.

Besides, I never met an activist who didn't possess some issue or two. Or a couch potatoe, for that matter.

The question that I principally ask, concerning public voices like AJ's, is... is he providing a valuable public service in spite of his issues? And my answer to that is he most certainly is.

I've met scores of people who once blindly trusted their government, or were apathetic to its shenanigans. They now possess a healthy dose of skepticism and/or distrust.

And since I believe that questioning your government is a supreme act of patriotism, AJ, therefore, provides a very valuable service to the country, in my eyes.

And I hope that he continues to do so as long as he can.

P.S. Sorry for the immediately following deletions, but the problem doesn't seem to be at my end. This is the second time that one posting of mine has mysteriously created additional copies at the one click of "Submit". And I'm particularly careful now to make sure that one click is one click.

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[lightningBugout]

Anyways, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes who may be a fan...but there's some serious issues with him.

I've never needed a guru of any sort (thanks to my very early reading of J. Krishnamurti as a kid) in any arena... religion, politics or otherwise. So I rarely look for issues in a messenger when I'm evaluating their message. Unless they're running for public office, that is. Then I watch their walk more than their talk.

Besides, I never met an activist who didn't possess some issue or two. Or a couch potatoe, for that matter.

The question that I principally ask, concerning public voices like AJ's, is... is he providing a valuable public service in spite of his issues? And my answer to that is he most certainly is.

I've met scores of people who once blindly trusted their government, or were apathetic to its shenanigans. They now possess a healthy dose of skepticism and/or distrust.

And since I believe that questioning your government is a supreme act of patriotism, AJ, therefore, provides a very valuable service to the country, in my eyes.

And I hope that he continues to do so as long as he can.

P.S. Sorry for the immediately following deletions, but the problem doesn't seem to be at my end. This is the second time that one posting of mine has mysteriously created additional copies at the one click of "Submit". And I'm particularly careful now to make sure that one click is one click. :)

23, the man claims that gay people are stealing children and that homosexuals have a "recruitment" agenda. And he advertises on Rush Limbaugh. And his website advertising and copious products could make a very strong case that there is a strong correlation between the tenor of his hysteria and the number of moneybags he deposits.

Cui Bono? AJ.

Not to mention, having subjected myself several times to his comment boards, they are invariably saturated with hate speech against gays, Muslims, Mexicans, etc.

The notion that one could distill a general sense of his mistrust of authority from all those tentacles of incitement is not sound. One may as well argue that at least Stormfront's stated support for the Palestinians is admirable.