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Postby Uncle $cam » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:45 pm

Back to topic at hand, how does the Washington consensus and the Southern strategy apply to the lens of linguistic and psychological manipulation, either directly or indirectly. Ultimatel leading to this, quite literally, 'reality war'.
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Postby orz » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:47 pm

People like Hugh's posts in the same way they like Avatar.

"Yeah man it was GREAT!! what an amazing movieeee! I mean, yeah ok it made no sense and the story was terrible and the characters were boring and the music was really bad and everything was really patronisingly over-explained and the designs were unoriginal and it was a total ripoff of Pocahontis and and and.... BUT!....
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Re: re: decoys of CIA's Operation CHAOS+FBI's COINTELPRO

Postby MinM » Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:24 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:1968-1973 tv show decoy of the FBI's COINTELPRO program was called 'The Mod Squad.'
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Groovy youth helping the cops. Their boss's name was "Greer" as a decoy of suspicious behavior by JFK's limo driver named Greer. Same reason Dr. Greer is fronting the CIA's UFO disinfo culture...

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Madame Ngô Ðình Nhu (Tran Le Xuan) 15 April 1924 - 24 April

Postby MinM » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:48 am

Madame Nhu obituary
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Immensely powerful political figure in 1960s South Vietnam dubbed 'an oriental Lucrezia Borgia'

Robert Templer
UK Guardian
Tuesday 26 April 2011 18.57 BST


Madame Nhu, who has died aged 87, was the archetypal "dragon lady" of Asian politics, a svelte and sinister woman who wielded immense power in the South Vietnamese regime of president Ngo Dinh Diem , her brother-in-law, until his assassination in 1963. She accumulated vast wealth and power, but was reviled for her puritanical social campaigns and her callous dismissal of Buddhist monks who burned themselves to death to protest against the brutal rule of Diem and her husband Ngo Dinh Nhu. "I would clap hands at seeing another monk barbecue show, for one cannot be responsible for the madness of others," she wrote in a letter to the New York Times. The world was stunned by photographs of monks sitting shrouded in flames; Madame Nhu simply offered to bring along some mustard for the next self-immolation. She later accused monks of lacking patriotism for setting themselves alight with imported petrol.

Those remarks solidified the enmity felt for a woman whom the American press had optimistically described in the mid-1950s as her country's Joan of Arc. Less than a decade later, as the US was drawn into the conflict between North and South Vietnam, she came to be seen as "an oriental Lucrezia Borgia". This tiny woman, who stood less that 5ft tall, at first intoxicated the US with her lacquered glamour; later the US press, shocked by her icy hauteur and political machinations, turned her into the personification of the remoteness and corruption that afflicted Diem's government.
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Madame Nhu, the name by which she was always known, although she was born Tran Le Xuan, preferred to see herself as continuing the tradition of the Trung sisters, two aristocratic women who led a revolt against Chinese rule in the first century. To aid South Vietnam's fight against the communist insurgency, she founded a women's paramilitary, known as the Women's Solidarity Movement. This force, whose members were paid twice the wages of conscripted men, drained money from the army and rarely did more than parade for the cameras while Madame Nhu took the salute.

Her only official position was as a deputy to the National Assembly, voted in by a group of Roman Catholic refugees from North Vietnam who enjoyed her enormous powers of patronage. But her power came from her proximity to Diem , an ascetic bachelor who rarely ventured outside the palace. Her husband, Diem's supposed political theoretician and closest adviser, ran a menacing secret police that dispatched opponents to the awful former French penal colonies on Poulo Condore and Phu Quoc islands. Madame Nhu revelled in her position. Her often repeated motto was: "Power is wonderful. Total power is totally wonderful."

Raised a Buddhist, Madame Nhu had converted to Catholicism when she married, and took to it with a convert's zeal. She rammed a bill through parliament that outlawed divorce, abortion and contraception. Describing the craze for dancing the twist as an "unhealthy activity", she had it banned as well. Wrestling, cock fighting and boxing soon followed on the list of forbidden activities. An attempt to outlaw popular padded brassieres was stopped only when the problems of enforcement were raised.

Some of her actions, which were portrayed as ludicrously puritanical, were aimed at improving the lot of women. She had laws passed that ended concubinage and polygamy. Divorce was only allowed by presidential decree, but that ended the power Vietnamese men had held to shed their wives on a whim. During Diem's rule, women achieved something close to parity with men. Rumours among the Saigonese were that Madame Nhu passed the ban to stop her sister divorcing her philandering husband to marry a Frenchman.

Her personal style, which had once captivated many Americans, began to repel them. She favoured heavily kohl-rimmed eyes, beehive hairstyles and the figure-hugging ao dai tunic worn by Vietnamese women. She was widely imitated; to this day the type of low-cut, ultra-fitted ao dai she wore is still known as the Tran Le Xuan style. But her elegance had its sinister side. She was described as being "moulded into her dress like a dagger in its sheath". Even her carved ivory fan, used mostly for coquettish effect, could clack shut like a gunshot and be used to rap home a point.
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Born in Hanoi, she grew up in isolated privilege as the daughter of one of Vietnam's wealthiest businessmen, who had married a cousin of the Emperor Bao Dai. She was raised by a multitude of servants, who took her to French and ballet lessons, and was educated in Hanoi and Saigon. In 1943, aged 18, she married Nhu, one of six brothers from the prominent mandarin Ngo clan. Two years later she was captured, along with her eldest child, and was held briefly in a communist-controlled village. When scolding American officials for being insufficiently fervent in their anti-communism, she frequently referred to these months of deprivation, during which she was forced to subsist on just two bowls of rice a day and had only one coat to wear, in her words "a very fashionable wasp-waisted number from Paris".

Diem came to power in 1955, when Vietnam was divided into the communist North and the American-backed South. Almost immediately Madame Nhu began scheming; she was eventually banished to a convent in Hong Kong as her brother-in-law delicately consolidated his power over a country run by pirates, gangsters and armed religious cults. When she was allowed back, she stepped up her efforts to enhance her influence while maintaining the pretence that she was nothing more than the president's demure hostess for official functions.

Despite Diem's efforts, the communist insurgency that stepped up in 1960 took its toll on his rule, which became increasingly vicious. His brother and sister-in-law began to make more decisions and kept close to the isolated president, even sharing his official residence. Madame Nhu was always on hand to cajole or even berate Diem; she was said to have frequently flown into violent rages if he showed any signs of weakness against the regime's many opponents.

In February 1962, Madame Nhu survived the bombing of the presidential palace by two rebellious South Vietnamese pilots. Blinded by the flames and smoke, she raced to her children sleeping next door but fell through a hole left by the explosion and ended up two floors below, in the basement. She believed the attack had been secretly encouraged by the US, which had grown disappointed withDiem and disgusted with both Nhus. As the Buddhist crisis raged in 1963, she toured America's campuses to defend the clan's rule.

The tour disintegrated into farce; even her father – South Vietnam's ambassador to Washington – refused to meet her. She was photographed with her daughter, both in satin evening gowns, peering into the dark windows of the empty ambassador's residence that her parents had left to avoid meeting her. At Ivy League colleges, where she planned to make the case for a more muscular offensive against communism, students enraged by the growing repression in Saigon pelted her with eggs and abuse.

While in the Beverly Wilshire hotel in Los Angeles on 2 November, Madame Nhu was informed of a coup against Diem by his generals. The president and his brother had fled to a church in Saigon's Chinatown. As they were removed from this sanctuary they were killed; the official version put out was that they had killed themselves, but photographs showed them bound and bloody from beatings. They had been shot in the back of an army truck.

Her children were allowed to leave Saigon and join her in Paris, where she began her exile in an apartment overlooking the Eiffel Tower. She soon moved to Rome, where another brother-in-law, the archbishop of Hue, Ngo Dinh Thuc, had also found asylum. The only other surviving brother of the murdered president was later executed.

Exile was a bitter time. Madame Nhu earned some money initially by charging for interviews and photographs. She soon disappeared from the limelight only to make a brief reappearance in 1975, when South Vietnam finally fell to the communist North. She claimed none of that would have happened if the Ngo clan had remained in power. Her elder daughter was killed in a car crash in Paris in 1967, and in 1986 her brother, Tran Van Khiem was charged with suffocating their elderly parents to death, in a dispute over his inheritance. He was found to be mentally ill, claiming in court that Zionist conspirators had murdered his parents. Madame Nhu is survived by two sons and a daughter.

• Madame Ngô Ðình Nhu (Tran Le Xuan), political consort, born 15 April 1924; died 24 April 2011

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ap ... NTCMP=SRCH

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Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:When Ramparts Magazine started exposing CIA manipulation of Students for a Democratic Society and other illegal domestic tricks, Richard Helms cooked up a plan to target dissent under the cover of targeting terrorism. Sound familiar?

The Operation CHAOS program was controversial even within CIA where it was compartmentalized as the most politically risky operation due to flagrantly violating the CIA's mandate against domestic operations...besides murdering Kennedys, that is.

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In April 1966, Michigan State University’s campus was hardly awash in radical thought. The football team had won a share of the national title the previous fall, and students were looking forward to chanting “Kill Bubba Kill” next football season. President John Hannah got his first taste of the future when a panty raid and food fights in Brody Complex erupted into a full-fledged student riot.

The times, they were a changin’, and a slick, counterculture publication called Ramparts was right in the middle of the mix. The magazine’s April 1966 cover featured a rendering of Madame Nhu, sisterin-law to assassinated Vietnam President Ngo Dinh Diem and de facto first lady, outfitted with a faux MSU cheerleading outfit and pennant. The headline blared, “The University on the Make or how MSU helped arm Madame Nhu.”...
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:10 am

'an oriental Lucrezia Borgia'

Didn't a tv show about the Borgias just start? Yep.

Obituary psyops- someone on the way out? Decoys counter historical recaps. Like "Ethan Hunt" in 'Mission Impossible' when E. Howard Hunt is dying.
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1968 television, 'The Courtship of Eddie's Father'-
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CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Re: re: decoys of CIA's Operation CHAOS+FBI's COINTELPRO

Postby MinM » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:09 am

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Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:46 pm wrote:But. The spooks got caught with their decoy on the air when COINTELPRO was discovered and partly exposed in 1971, then exposed much more in 1973.

So the keyword, 'Mod,' was hijacked and meme-reversed (young authority tools vs old rebel) by Norman CIA Lear as a homonym:
"Maude"
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The two shows over-lapped for a year of transition to the new decoy-of-a-decoy, a common process necessary to maintain cover as information horizons inevitably shift over time.

Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:27 pm wrote:
FourthBase wrote:
Like "Fonzie."


Okay, so explain that particular example in depth in the context of this thread. Specifically, explain how amplifying the Fonzie character on Happy Days inhibited/diverted/whatever the memes of Gaeton Fonzi.

Just making something fictional dilutes and, frequently, entirely displaces that it is real.

Explain how this example would have worked its psy-ops magic in a 70's child's mind, and use details, hypothetical if need be. Do not rely on quoting the general thesis of inoculation theory or interference theory, not even the fact that it's been tested and proven, etc. I want this specific Fonzi example's effect on the mind explicated from beginning to end.

I experienced it myself until recently. I kept trying to remember the name of the guy who wrote 'War is the Health of the State. But I kept coming up with the name from Robert Ludlum's novels-turned-movies, "Jason Bourne."

Over and over I tried to remember R...R...R....but it wouldn't come. Just "Jason."
I had to very deliberately create a mnemonic hook to get myself to remember-
RANDOLPH. Randolph Bourne. 'War is the Health of the State.' Finally!

I had been damn well affected by keyword hijacking of the REAL Mr. Bourne who just happens to be a serious danger to the Warfare State.

Many Americans don't read newspapers. What little that ends up on CIA-network TV news is IT. And for many, not even that. Zero news. All fictional entertainment designed by CIA to condition, misdirect, etc.

They only have so much bandwith and RECENT memories are stronger than any old ones from school and IDEALIZED memories, carefully constructed neuro-friendly spook entertainment, really gets a grip on memory.

People can't tell fact from fiction and mostly know fiction.
So turning reality into fiction is to mnemonically turn reality into a vibrating greased pig in a stampede of competing stimuli where the fiction has all been turned into velcro with super glue and fish hooks.

How would an association with television's most influential sitcom hero suppress/defile/whatever anything? WHY DOESN'T THE EXACT OPPOSITE PROCESS OCCUR, OF STRENGTHENING THE MIND'S RECEPTIVITY TO GAETON FONZI?


So the school kids watch sit-coms. Over and over. With every laugh, smirk, or even just moment at rest comfortably in a chair (yes, relief from fatigue reinforces conditioning) making the memory association with the fictional "Fonzie" stronger and stronger.

At school kids joke about and imitate the thumbs-up gesture accompanied by the minimalist catch-phrase, "Aaay." Lunchboxes and notepads with Mr. Aaay's image reinforce the association.

If one of these school kids overhears their parents talking about what little the CIA allowed into the NYTimes and they hear about "Gaeton Fonzi," the conditioned kid will have hours of conditioning and social affirmation pulling mnemonically in the direction of the fictional "guy called Fonzie."

If by some unlikely chance the kid reads about Gaeton Fonzi, there is still all that conditioned pleasure tempering any potential negative emotions that might be evoked by what Gaeton Fonzi is doing. Additionally, there is all the scripted framing baggage of the fictional character that comes up with those memories. The kid would much rather BE Mr. Aaay than the Gaeton dude, right?

Social affirmation gives propaganda extra heft, kind of like giving it more 'reality' mass than stuff without it because we are social animals and pay attention to...what we think people are paying attention to.

Now if this kid wants to tell some other kid about what he read about Gaeton Fonzi, there is likely to be a moment of smirking about the fictional character and perhaps that this poor Gaeton Fonzi dude shares a name with Mr. Ayyy. You can see on this board how people cannot resist making obvious jokes and puns on whatever is discussed. Viral marketing exploits this tendency to chew on thrown bones. Everyone wants to give it a bite and social affirmation accumulates.

This shared mirth over just the idea of someone actually being named Fonzi now dilutes the focus on what the heck Gaeton Fonzi is doing and the kids can't resist seeing him in the Senate in a leather jacket with a laugh track. "Oh, and Shirley is hot. I wouldn't kick her out of bed but Laverne..." etc.

All of this defeats memory of the real Gaeton Fonzi, adds positive associations which temper any reaction to what he represents, and the same effects are multiplied during social transmission which dilutes focus even more.

If I had been a young ABC executive in the 70's with a radical hankering to expose the Warren Commission, how could I have possibly elevated the potential profile of Gaeton Fonzi any better than by turning the name and character of Fonzie into a deeply beloved and respected meme for the nation's television-watching children? Fonzie was the 70's television apex of both coolness and moral fiber.

At first, Fonzie was an alpha-male.
But then he...jumped the shark.

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Now this catch-phrase linked to fictional Fonzie is used PRECISELY to denote "ridiculous and unbelievable." Funny how that worked out, ay? I mean - Aaay?

When D.A. Jim Garrison was trying to prosecute one of the JFK murder perps, Clay Shaw from 1967 to 1969, the CIA media waged relentless character-assassination of Garrison AND keyword hijacked him into fiction for the non-reality based public, too.

ABC- 1967-68 television show, 'Garrison's Gorillas.'
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Hey! There's a listing for 'Garrison's Gorillas' at...jumptheshark.com...a fun site.
Meme incest accomplished! Only it is the naive viewer that is...ahem.

http://www.jumptheshark.com/topic/Garrisons-Gorillas/Garrisons-Gorillas-General-Comments/747

You know what replaced 'Garrison's Gorillas' on ABC?
'The Mod Squad.' Cool kids working for the cops infiltrating....wait a minute.
Hey! That was COINTELPRO!
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What happened to the idea of being "mod" shortly after COINTELPRO was discovered in 1971? 'The Mod Squad' was still on the air until 1973 but some keyword competition started up in September 1972 which began to take over the mnemonic burden like an unnoticable hand-off in a baton race. Or a hand-off between spies.

Mr. Norman CIA Lear gave us a homonym keyword hijacking and meme-reversal.
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Mr. Lear also gave us a fictional man named Archie Bunker to give liberal viewers some catharsis when there was already a real man named Ellsworth Bunker who...was the US ambassador to South Vietnam.

I could go on and on showing how an entire parallel name matrix has been constructed to compete with reality since WWII.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby 82_28 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:11 am

I demand we reinstate Hugh and apologize. As long as he's not a broken record he is free to come here again as far as I am concerned. But, I think all damage has been done. I wonder where else he writes these days. That was good MinM.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:36 am

^^
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In light of recent events, Hugh strikes me as someone who had a peculiar and wonderful talent that was not fully appreciated at the time.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby NeonLX » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:47 am

This, most definitely

HMW said:

People can't tell fact from fiction and mostly know fiction.
So turning reality into fiction is to mnemonically turn reality into a vibrating greased pig in a stampede of competing stimuli where the fiction has all been turned into velcro with super glue and fish hooks.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:50 am

82_28 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:11 am wrote:I demand we reinstate Hugh and apologize. As long as he's not a broken record he is free to come here again as far as I am concerned.


"As long as he's not a broken record" is on par with "as long as he doesn't mention the CIA."

I'll keep saying it until the aliens land: it was behavior, not content, that got Hugh banned.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:46 pm

You know, I'm in the camp mentioned on the other thread that thought "Some of his examples are nuts, but he's onto something." My main problem is that so many of Hugh's examples fell apart due to chronological gaps. The Fonzi example falls into that category: the fictional character came into the collective TV consciousness on January 15, 1974 (though the actual creation of the character probably occurred sometime in 1973). The real person, Gaeton Fonzi, wasn't asked to join Senator Schweiker's staff until 1975, but that doesn't stop Hugh from claiming that through this chronology gap, "my case is firmed up" because "it was very likely that Gaeton Fonzi was being talked about as a potential subcommittee investigator in 1974." Talk about twisting the facts to fit your theory!

In order to believe the CIA deliberately conspired to condition the American public to view "Fonzi/e" as someone "ridiculous and unbelievable", (BTW, the whole "jump the shark" negative conditioning did not occur AT THE TIME the episode aired, but years later), you have to believe that Bob Brunner, on orders from the CIA, deliberately constructed a character he knew America would fall in love with, only to deliberately destroy the reputation of that character (in due time, 1997, to be precise as to the birth of jumptheshark.com, as late as 1994, the world of pop culture in the form of Pulp Fiction character Jules Winnfield still associated Fonzi with "cool") just to implant a negative meme-reversal into America's collective unconscious for the express purpose of denigrating a lone investigator for a Philadelphia paper who hadn't even joined the fucking subcommittee staff yet! Like they knew he'd write The Last Investigation back in 1974?! FourthBase may have been brutal, but I think he was dead-on accurate in his analysis of how absurd this example, along with the Randolph Bourne example, is for highlighting the plausibility of CIA KWH in our culture.

So where's the evidence Bob Brunner, who gave the character the nickname the Fonz (show creator Garry Marshall originally wanted the character named Arthur Maschiarelli, and nicknamed Mash), who gave him his catchphrase, "Sit on it", and along with Marshall, came up with the idea to have Fonz jump the shark, actually worked for the CIA? As far-fetched and tenous-beyond-belief as this, along with numerous other Hughpotheses is, proof of employment would go a long way toward establishing the possibility that this could have occurred. (Though plausibility is still miles away, IMHO) And no, wrong Robert Brunner if you've done a google search like me. A serious researcher would care about establishing the truth in this matter. Probably why I could never take Hugh that seriously, beyond occasional entertainment value. Much like a Disney cartoon, ironically. :wink
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby stefano » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:10 am

I was always a bit surprised that he never brought up the one movie title that I think really could be a corporate-sponsored keyword hijack: I love you Phillip Morris.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:58 am

I discovered RI post-Hugh-Manatee, but I've read enough of his posts to understand he is extraordinarily knowledgeable on the subject of keyword hijacking, as if he's had lots of previous exposure/experience, maybe behind the scenes, which makes me somewhat suspicious of him.

I mean, there is no doubt, in my mind, that much of what Hugh says contains truth. As he says, "novels and movies have been used as decoys for decades to hide things by confusing fact vs fiction". But I also notice he always goes a little too far,..including in his posts something that's "a bit of a stretch", Could he be intentionally discrediting himself? Therefore discrediting the whole idea of keyword hijacking as the ravings of a lunatic?

Of course, I could be totally wrong, but it's hard for me to believe that the controllers do not try to infiltrate RI, especially considering how RI attracts the highly intelligent (with exceptions to the rule such as myself), which requires highly intelligent infiltrators, such as someone like Hugh Manatee.
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Re: Hugh ... whaddya think about ...

Postby Nordic » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:40 pm

divideandconquer » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:58 am wrote:I discovered RI post-Hugh-Manatee, but I've read enough of his posts to understand he is extraordinarily knowledgeable on the subject of keyword hijacking, as if he's had lots of previous exposure/experience, maybe behind the scenes, which makes me somewhat suspicious of him.

I mean, there is no doubt, in my mind, that much of what Hugh says contains truth. As he says, "novels and movies have been used as decoys for decades to hide things by confusing fact vs fiction". But I also notice he always goes a little too far,..including in his posts something that's "a bit of a stretch", Could he be intentionally discrediting himself? Therefore discrediting the whole idea of keyword hijacking as the ravings of a lunatic?

Of course, I could be totally wrong, but it's hard for me to believe that the controllers do not try to infiltrate RI, especially considering how RI attracts the highly intelligent (with exceptions to the rule such as myself), which requires highly intelligent infiltrators, such as someone like Hugh Manatee.



Yes exactly. What drove me nuts about HMW was that his posts and theories and especially his aggressive behavior served to obfuscate the very thing he claimed he was trying to expose, ie the very real and ongoing spook influence in the media.

I'm not gonna say he was an "agent" because I really think he suffers from some sort of monomaniacal obsessive borderline schizophrenic disorder, but he might as well have been a disinfo troll for the way his posting functioned here.
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