Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby wordspeak2 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:27 am

Many sub-threads... I don't wish to derail the momentum.

Wombaticus, I look forward to reading your article. Obviously, there's not a divide between imperialism, per se, and occultism (per se). The imperialists have an occult edge. As someone just said, that's imperialism in real time; they destroy the history. I think above all geopolitics is best understood purely imperialistically. It's certainly not "all about the oil." Ultimately, the imperial pragmatism is about squelching resistance to the capitalist "New World Order," the mass-corporatizing of the planet. Sometimes it's trickier to see- Afghanistan was no socialist haven that needed to be privatized. But Afghanistan has been an imperialist battleground throughout history. It's the entranceway to Central Asia, to Russia. Putin/Medvedev are evil, yes, but the fact is the Russian economy is still far too non-privatized for transnational interests, and the Russian people far too sympathetic to socialism (the majority say life was better under Stalin). Obviously, the Cold War never ended; we see a military encirclement of Russia and the persistent attempts to put up the missile shield in Poland. In other words, Russia is still viewed as a threat to capital, mostly because the *Russian people* are viewed as a threat to capital. Sort of the same thing in Yugoslavia/Serbia, though in that case the country was essentially democratic socialist, and thus deserved the wrath of NATO.

But, going back, Alex Jones would have us believe the exact opposite, that the "New World Order" is communist, which is imo the top reason Alex Jones is allowed to be so popular. Oh yeah, I see the IMF going around the world communizing economies; that's really what's happening. They take privatized economies, and they nationalize everything! It's so backwards that you question the intelligence of someone who believes this. High on passion and Bible-thumping, low on intelligence, not to mention racist towards Mexicans and anti-choice. Though I do stand corrected on Hugo Chavez, 2012 Countdown... but in general Jones persistently identifies socialism with fascism. Anyone who does that is a "CIA asset," whether they know it or not (and Jones certainly does not). And, no, I would not say that Castro (either one) is a "tyrant" or "dictator" in any remote regard. There are elections in Cuba, and the government is generally liked. There's free access to higher education, housing for all, organic farming programs started all around the country, freedom of speech and the press, etc.- while living under the repression of U.S. economic sanctions. It is hardly perfect, but if this is dictatorship then the word becomes meaningless (or becomes synonymous with "socialism," which is how the western media would like it to be).

AD, I understand your frustration about the David Icke stuff. What the hell is wrong with some of you; what are you missing? Icke supports Zundel- not a neutral cause- one chooses one's battles- that equates to Holocaust revisionism. Icke says that the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" doesn't implicate *all* Jews in the global conspiracy, only the controlling conspiratorial cabal. Very cute, but the point is that "Protocols" is a FAKE DOCUMENT, probably made up by Russian intelligence under the Tsar. And a great Icke quote:
"Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt."
...does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. So Jews have inherited a guilt, huh? More than Christians, aye? If this isn't blatant anti-semitism, then wtf is?
Oh yeah- Zundel, Protocols of Zion, and reptilian bloodlines- this celeb is great for the cause of deep politics.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:37 am

wordspeak2 wrote:
AD, I understand your frustration about the David Icke stuff. What the hell is wrong with some of you; what are you missing? Icke supports Zundel- not a neutral cause- one chooses one's battles- that equates to Holocaust revisionism. Icke says that the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" doesn't implicate *all* Jews in the global conspiracy, only the controlling conspiratorial cabal. Very cute, but the point is that "Protocols" is a FAKE DOCUMENT, probably made up by Russian intelligence under the Tsar. And a great Icke quote:
"Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt."
...does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. So Jews have inherited a guilt, huh? More than Christians, aye? If this isn't blatant anti-semitism, then wtf is?
Oh yeah- Zundel, Protocols of Zion, and reptilian bloodlines- this celeb is great for the cause of deep politics.



Ugh, yeah that is some unfortunate stuff. While I have no issue(and may even agree in part) with his talk of a Satanic elite amongst rulers, that is just...um, not the kind of material I expected to read coming from Icke's typewriter.

I don't get it, in every single interview or presentation I've seen, Icke seems very much against any sort of hate toward people...yet why is he pushing these overtly hate-group linked memes?
Doesnt he see how its always been elite propaganda to demonize Jews?

I do agree with Norman Finklestein when he writes about a holocaust industry. I've read how young kids in Israel are kind of given these themes of the world being against them, of obsessing over the holocaust, and almost seeing Palestinians as less then. And I also dont think anyone should go to jail for writing a book or having beliefs. Thats silly

But to then support all this stuff thats long been a staple of hate groups...yeah its weird. I remember thinking Rense was just harmless UFO and oddball reports...til he started publishing anti Semitic writing
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby sergeant stiletto » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:38 am

Maybe it's just as important who else believes this stuff. Remember this story about the Collin's Elite - a secret cabal in the Air Force who think aliens are demons, etc.

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2010/09/f ... -nick.html

At the heart of these stories, which all seem to run along the same vein - the elite are controlled by...something - might be a kernel of truth.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:50 am

sergeant stiletto wrote:Maybe it's just as important who else believes this stuff. Remember this story about the Collin's Elite - a secret cabal in the Air Force who think aliens are demons, etc.

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2010/09/f ... -nick.html

At the heart of these stories, which all seem to run along the same vein - the elite are controlled by...something - might be a kernel of truth.



I wonder if this book is based on Ronson like investigating into odd circles within the military, or just speculative fantasy. Sometimes I wonder with conspiracy books, but I guess it's possible an inner circle exists like that.

Though uh...how could they not realize that they(the US govt/military) would also be a part of this Satanic conspiracy?

They instigated a large-scale study of Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley in the late 1940s and early 1950s, believing them as being partly responsible for the ushering in of the UFO mystery in 1947 - Parsons via his "door-opening" issues and Crowley, after he contacted the alien-like LAM. The CE also established a large-scale investigation of the alien abduction phenomenon in the early 1980s that reportedly was of great interest to the Reagan Administration.


Again, one has to wonder if this is based on actual info he found, or cobbled together conspiracy narratives. Intriguing none the less
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby elfismiles » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:52 am

That's why I was asking Aeolus Kephas about reading FINAL EVENTS ... I just finished it recently and its very interesting.

sergeant stiletto wrote:Maybe it's just as important who else believes this stuff. Remember this story about the Collin's Elite - a secret cabal in the Air Force who think aliens are demons, etc.

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2010/09/f ... -nick.html

At the heart of these stories, which all seem to run along the same vein - the elite are controlled by...something - might be a kernel of truth.
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like tow mater without the tow...

Postby IanEye » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:09 am

i am pretty sure i had just watched "Enter The Void" when I made that post about Cars2. wishful thinking i suppose...

However, I did see Cars2 over the weekend, and there is a scene where Mater is drugged, and has weird visions that seem to be an homage to Hitchcock's Vertigo.

overall, Cars2 is awful. this Planes movie looks even worse.


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all though i do like how there is a plane hidden in this cloud

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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:12 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
barracuda wrote:
Canadian_watcher wrote:
edit: besides, what differentiates one from being a journalist and best-selling author from being a 'serious' scholar/scientist?
The paper? The acceptance of the universities or the MSM? What? Please, enlighten me.


I think it's a matter of training, essentially.


... Training often leads people down the same paths over and over while restricting some paths altogether. Training is a form of legislation in many respects, and those who choose to retain their good standing in any professional discipline often make sacrifices in their research for the sake of it.

Some excellent research and analysis have come from the untrained.


Brilliant, C_W The thing that drives me nuts sometimes is that generally speaking very very few people sem to see this. It is a real cognitive blind spot in the maps of the world of many very intelligent people I have met - and it is a blind spot with profound, long lasting and (AFAICS) very hard to reverse systemic consquences.

A STORY

Here is what I have seen repeat itself AGAIN and AGAIN... names changed for protection...

Example - a healing art is discovered by a woman researcher, Jan. She employs this with great effect and sensitivity and an experimental attitude. Later those healed want to share what happened... "Tell us how you did it, Jan!!"

So The Art of Healing course is set up, led by the orignal lady.

Years pass... interest in the experimental side seems to decrease... everyone is busy growing the organisation

The Integrative Foundation for European Healing says
"You are not a member of our organisation, and without our membership, insurance will cost three times as much and you could be sued under EU Law."
"What do we have to do???"
"Apply for membership by passing all the actions in this 100 page application and enclosing a cheque for $5000. Each year."

Each item in the application required huge work
10.1.22.3
Create a library of approved books for practitioners
10.1.22.4
Provide evidence of the state of each book by submitting digital images of front and back cover
10.1.22.5
Provide a review of each book by three different practitioners who have passed the Practitioner Reviewer Development Process in 9.1.43.56

the focus turned inwards into administration and process... the course changed from Jan's living room over a weekend, with Jan showing her students how she worked, and everyone creating a fun 'Pot Luck'.


Jan semi-retires by now... she has made a lot of money, but feels sad and unfulfilled. The last students she had just wanted a title, and to make a living.

Time passes

There is now a multi-module (Introduction, Basic, Advanced and Practitioner level ) structured training programme over 12 months with written homework, assignments, presentations, peer review, self-criticism sorry self-reflection sessions, individual development plans and approved reading lists.

The organisation becoems subjected to an international and relentless campaign of
skeptic groups for claiming that 'energy' exists without scientific proof. Practitioners who made claims on websites are exposed by undercover reporters and are now denounced as 'quacks and charlatans'. The organisation fractures into fundamentalists who say "We must get back to how Jan did it" ; this is called 'The Healing Art' (as the other organisation has the brand ownership and sued...) , they work 'underground', a target of skeptical assasination, almost fundless
and
those who seek ties with doctors and medicalise their former art with even longer qualifications, and ultimately the Art of Healing is only available as a module on a BSc degree in Complimentary Medecine that costs $35000, taught by bored academics to students seeking just a piece of paper...

Jan, now long retired in her comfortable cottage by the sea, wonders where it all went so wrong...
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:19 am

I'm kind of baffled why you guys are bringing up the looting in response to my points. It's true, I was only speaking to the actual locations of bases...since that's the part the US was, you know, actually responsible for.

Did any US soldiers engage in looting? I was under the impression Iraquis did that themselves and they were angry after the fact because the US did nothing whatsoever to secure and protect those landmarks and collections. (Which had no strategic value, esp. compared to, you know, oil.)

Were there MI6 Agents in turbans smashing up the museums? Is my impression wrong?
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:52 am

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@Searcher - that story breaks my heart! :( I take it you know this person? It must have been difficult to go through. (At least there's a sea-side cottage at the end. :) )

This usurpation of arts and crafts (if I may call it that wrt to the grass roots beginnings and eventual mastery which much of our knowledge actually has), as you said, is all too common.

I see it as a pervasive form of the hoarding/destruction of knowledge by the elite. This particular story also has elements of the State's efforts to colonize our bodies - somatic/corporeal imperialism if you like.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Saurian Tail » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:02 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I'm kind of baffled why you guys are bringing up the looting in response to my points. It's true, I was only speaking to the actual locations of bases...since that's the part the US was, you know, actually responsible for.

Did any US soldiers engage in looting? I was under the impression Iraquis did that themselves and they were angry after the fact because the US did nothing whatsoever to secure and protect those landmarks and collections. (Which had no strategic value, esp. compared to, you know, oil.)

Were there MI6 Agents in turbans smashing up the museums? Is my impression wrong?

That's a really weak argument Wombat. If you are a thief and there is a total breakdown in security you head straight for the priceless artifacts. The US could have easily protected the museums and didn't. The museums in Bagdad were not second rate museums. Those museums were of utmost strategic importance if your goal is something other than resource extraction.

If you read the source that I quoted (a first rate source, not someone's blog) you would see that the US was in fact responsible for securing those sites and in failing to do so caused irreparable harm.

But in any case, what is done is done. Weather it is MIHOP or LIHOP or just plain old incompetence, this is one more example of how actual actions on the ground put the lie to the publicly stated goals. And one more reason for people around the world to hate the United States.

Again, my main point is that this is what imperialism and deleting the enemy's history looks like in real time. Its messy and plausible deniability is the rule of the day. It is only with the passage of time that occupied sites and missing artifacts begin to modify that certain something that makes up the history and pride of a people.

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Re: Tripping Balls With Larry the Cable Guy

Postby vince » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:05 pm

IanEye wrote:
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One aspect of Cars2 sure to raise eyebrows is the odd subplot where Lightning and Mater take the hallucinogen "STP" through their intake manifolds and trip through the streets of Tokyo, only to end up floating over a hotel room while Sally gets, shall we say, "armor-all-ous" with an Isuzu Trooper.
While some might question whether this is appropriate viewing for kids, there is no denying the innovative nature of this transgressive transmission of a montage.


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http://pixartimes.com/2011/01/13/returning-cars-2-character-images-descriptions-video/

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Not to go OT, but my joke for "Cars 2" is.....: So, I assume that a Pinto is gonna play a suicide bomber?
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby barracuda » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:06 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:
barracuda wrote:Both Yonaguni Monument and the so-called Bosnian pyramids have been extensively examined and studied by amateurs and academics alike. Realistically there are very nearly no significant archeological sites which have not drawn pretty serious attention and study.


wait a second.. I forgot to call you on this.
I can't figure out how you would know that there are no sites being ignored.

Isn't that like saying that there are no elements that we don't know about?


I realise the thread is moving along at a nice clip, but try not to completely divorce my comments from the context in which they were made. You said:

    we DO know that exploration of many archeological sites *is* pretty much forbidden. Okay, people are allowed to go there, but no serious scholars or scientists of repute venture into certain places. Why not?

So we are talking here about known archeological sites and the idea that access to many of them is either pretty much fobidden, or that serious scholars or scientists simply do not go there. And then, when prompted, you gave two examples which I commented upon, Yonaguni Monument and the Bosnian pyramids. We were not discussing the idea that there may exist unknown archeological treasures as yet undiscovered by man into which no serious scholars or scientists of repute venture. See? Let's keep the goalposts in one spot, if possible.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:13 pm

Saurian Tail wrote:That's a really weak argument Wombat. If you are a thief and there is a total breakdown in security you head straight for the priceless artifacts. The US could have easily protected the museums and didn't. The museums in Bagdad were not second rate museums. Those museums were of utmost strategic importance if your goal is something other than resource extraction.


So I'm realizing I don't even know what you're saying if we're arguing, I thought I was stating facts. This paragraph seems to be saying exactly what I was saying. No?

I'm saying I see no evidence of occult anything at work. US base locations are driven by geography and logistics, not ancient history. Ancient history also happens to have been driven by geography and logistics, too, hence the 1:1 overlaps.

The looting was not executed by Americans, it was executed by Iraquis. I don't see any goals for our invasion of Iraq aside from resource extraction. I don't see any evidence for the argument there were other goals. If anyone has that evidence, please post it.
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Postby IanEye » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:29 pm

vince wrote:Not to go OT, but my joke for "Cars 2" is.....: So, I assume that a Pinto is gonna play a suicide bomber?


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the suicide bomber is played by Topper Deckington…..

and yeah, I should probably just make a new "Cars2" thread.
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Re: Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

Postby brainpanhandler » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:32 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
Saurian Tail wrote:That's a really weak argument Wombat. If you are a thief and there is a total breakdown in security you head straight for the priceless artifacts. The US could have easily protected the museums and didn't. The museums in Bagdad were not second rate museums. Those museums were of utmost strategic importance if your goal is something other than resource extraction.


So I'm realizing I don't even know what you're saying if we're arguing, I thought I was stating facts. This paragraph seems to be saying exactly what I was saying. No?

I'm saying I see no evidence of occult anything at work. US base locations are driven by geography and logistics, not ancient history. Ancient history also happens to have been driven by geography and logistics, too, hence the 1:1 overlaps.

The looting was not executed by Americans, it was executed by Iraquis. I don't see any goals for our invasion of Iraq aside from resource extraction. I don't see any evidence for the argument there were other goals. If anyone has that evidence, please post it.


Oh, evidence shmevidence. Can't we just say things like:

8bitagent wrote:I always believed there was an esoteric angle to Iraq, besides the metaphysical feasting on endless death and chaos.

I mean, Iraq used to be Sumer and Babylon for goodness sakes...and ya look at the total standdown of the museums, the US raids on ancient sites...something is up. It wasnt just the Nazis on a quest for ancient artifacts. Im not surprised when my lefty pals laugh when I say that(they still think Iraq was all about American oil, buahahahah) but even amongst truthers and parapolitical researchers its a tough sell.


I'm with you Wombat. I'd love to see some evidence, because of course it's a fascinating idea.
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