11 Years After That Clear Blue Tuesday...

[8bitagent]

More odd facts...


21. Credit cards some of the hijackers were using in 2001 ended up *still* being used up to two weeks later

22. The morning of 9/11, as the hijackers were already in the skies, one of the maids at the hotel was said to have been shooed away from an unknown man still occupying one of the rooms the hijackers stayed in.

23. Some of the hijackers were only a couple miles from where George W Bush would sleep in Florida not long before 9/11

24. Some witnesses claim that they saw the 9/11 hijacker suspects hanging out with some airport/tarmac crew employees

25. Early reports indicated the weapons used were preplanted behind or under the seats the hijackers used

26. One of the suspects who helped the hijackers at the airport(Mohdar Abdullah, a Yemeni) somehow was released despite video of him and several of the suspects

27. Strange reports of white vans darting around NYC and NJ with reportedly Israeli men. One group of which was reportedly joyful as they saw the attack at the WTC unfold. These men would later say they were "there to document the event" and some CIA analysts spoke candidly of possible Israeli shadowing of the hijackers

28. During the summer of 2001, Israeli art students were using whirly copter toy kiosks at malls and door to door soliciting at US military bases as possible cover for spying

29. A man named Rocky Hammad was caught up in part of a DMV scam in Memphis. He and his cohorts allegedly had WTC building maintenance crew badges. And the woman who helped them was found killed in a burned out car, and another man with a pipe bombs trapped to him. Rocky worked for a Ukranian mob/pedo/arms/narco linked plumber outfit in New York.

30. Allegedly, the Dentist(dr David Graham) had come in contact with two of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

[8bitagent]

82_28:

You may dig this article, from fall of 2001. It looks at 9/11 as a "Data Storm", from a sort of William Gibson modern novel perspective.

http://www.stewarthomesociety.org/towers.htm
http://www.stewarthomesociety.org/panic.htm
http://www.stewarthomesociety.org/quakes.htm

Because of the focus on "the government" and the denial or removal of anything al Qaeda related from discussion, there's a missed opportunity. "New Coke" as Jeff once quipped.
I began to look at not just the sync aspects of 9/11 but the Jungian aspect. From that article

On 10 October I received the following e-mail from an American academic based on the West Coast, who would probably rather remain unidentified "I am obsessed with bin Laden's accoutrements. He is such an amazingly elegant man. He is always incredibly beautiful to look at. I think this is somehow the source of his appeal. He comes across as a dandy, very aesthetically thin, and he always looks so much better than the ragged chunky thugs who surround him... Laden is lit up with idealism, and freaky aesthetic ideas. I find this very curious: somehow he sees all this as art - even the wonderful staging of the planes was sublime ...somehow I think the key to his personality is his remarkable and utterly obvious interest in presenting himself as delicate and beautiful... He clearly wants to be seen as a person of taste and breeding. Even in combat fatigues he always looks just great..."

On a less ethereal note, Darius James e-mailed me on 16 September saying: "I've been reading your critical essays in preparation for a piece I'm writing about Chicks On Speed. I hadn't read them before. The piece will go in NY Press. They are interesting in light of current events. Your strategies seem most suited to Bush's war against his invisible enemies. Osama bin Laden could be the new Luther Blissett."As I have made clear, terrorism is vanguardist and tends to derail progressive political struggles, but what James says is interesting, since if an anonymous network of magico-Marxists in "the West" adopted Osama bin Laden as a signature for divers prank activities, it might do something to undermine the symmetrically "opposed" positions of both the Holy Alliance and al-Qaida in their singularly monolithic struggle against "evil". Having become a global celebrity, bin Laden is all things to all people, and so it would be easy enough to "hijack" this digital phantom and dress "her" in the clothes of transsexual anti-matter that bends light. A Groucho-Marxist pantomime might impel people to stare into the black pit of this implosion of meaning.

OBL(or UBL) seemed like he was groomed and created for his role in 9/11. The sync of Osama/Obama is also very strange, "Obama got Osama". Too cute, clever and convenient.

Also holy hell...how the hell did I forget that the BIN LADEN FAMILY was involved in a way in the creation of the world trade towers themselves?
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/cult ... merce.html

Remember that Iridium satelite that collided in space with another satellite? It reminded me of how the bin Ladens owned that. and Osama used sit on the board of Hunting Systems who make the trident missile, as well as was one of the heads of Gum Arabic(which can be found in many candy) According to articles, from 1991 til 1996 bin Laden helped modernize a lot of Sudan via Khartoum.
Apparently, other than jihad he was obsessed with construction.

But like the Dubai/UAE falconry aspect of 9/11, the Bosnian-Albanian jihad/narco trade routes, etc that all has been left behind by the truther brigade.

[thurnundtaxis]

8-bit, you might be interested in this volume coming next week from Trineday:

[b]The Most Dangerous Book in the World: 9/11 as Mass Ritual[/b
by S.K. Bain foreword by Peter Levenda]

Bain’s book is Trineday’s latest declaration of independence from the mass hypnosis that has been directed at suffering humanity for so many years.
Like the murder of JFK, the “events of 9/11” were a gigantic hammer-blow to the American psyche, but the fallout from the second tragedy has also had immediate and catastrophic global consequences, and this was no accident.
In the confusing swamp of lies, half-truths, contradictions and wild speculation surrounding 9/11, it is our natural inclination to throw up our hands and close our eyes to an evil we simply do not want to believe in. For those who have the stomach for unflinching inquiry, The Most Dangerous Book in the World will take you deeper into this historical rabbit-hole than you ever thought you could go.
Maintaining a humorously cocked eye, Bain meticulously lays out an “occult script” for a satanic “mega-ritual” that was planned for decades, using age-old tools of mass mind control by terror, fine-tuned for the New World Order. Far from a fundamentalist conspiracy rant, the scenario is firmly grounded in serious knowledge of arcane practices, and the people, buildings and airplanes involved in 9/11, revealing a compelling tapestry of dark design scarier than anything Lord Sauron himself might have concocted – except it’s real. As the overlapping of dates, flight numbers, symbols, architecture, and personalities multiply, it becomes ever harder to shrug the evidence off as mere coincidence.
One need not believe in the existence of Satan and his evil minions to accept that ritual “magic” has been used to frighten and manipulate large groups of people many times for many purposes, including political and financial dominion. It is not even necessary that those who use these “powers” actually believe in the demons they symbolically unleash. The effect is what counts, and, as S.K. Bain shows us, it works like a charm.

http://www.trineday.com/paypal_store/pr ... index.html

[Luther Blissett]

Osama bin Laden could be the new Luther Blissett.

[IanEye]

1111

Whoa, why the posting of the latest Never Not Funny episode, may I ask? Besides the numeric similarity?

just a nice bit of synchronicity.

i was listening to this latest episode (1111) of NNF yesterday while cleaning around the house, and Mister Pardo makes note of the episode number by saying, "eleven eleven, one one one one, eleven eleven, only two away from 'never fogetting'..."

a 9/11 reference.

then, when i was finished cleaning i logged on to RI to see 8bit had posted this 11 after 11 thread, which i thought was funny.

But then, when is 8bit ever not funny?



wait, this song is sort of depressing, here is a better 1 :



man, now my head is a jumble of numbers and months...

Ah! has any 1 mentioned the 11/12/01 thing where a plane fell out of the sky on Veterans Day yet?
that will get things back to:



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[82_28]

I always wondered about your name, Blisset. Seeing so many mentions of your handle in those essays, I had to go look it up. It never occurred to me that it meant something.

Those were great essays, 8bit. I hadn't read them. More wordy than me, but almost exactly what I've always thought and have espoused since that clear blue Tuesday. I can't imagine where I'd be now had I read that stuff in 2001. But I know where I am now, thanks to Baudrillard back in the day. This would have been icing on the cake. Thanks for sharing.

Another thing of note upon reading those posts, was that all three of the "timeless" big three network anchormen soon there after met their fates. Brokaw goes on to write "The Greatest Generation". Jennings dies. And Rather gets swiftboated (or whatever the term was for that font shit that got him thrown off CBS). But none of them are relevant anymore other than the patriot anchor who played ball -- Brokaw -- who still gets called in to commentate on shit all the time.

[happenstance]

1111

Whoa, why the posting of the latest Never Not Funny episode, may I ask? Besides the numeric similarity?

just a nice bit of synchronicity.

i was listening to this latest episode (1111) of NNF yesterday while cleaning around the house, and Mister Pardo makes note of the episode number by saying, "eleven eleven, one one one one, eleven eleven, only two away from 'never fogetting'..."

a 9/11 reference.

then, when i was finished cleaning i logged on to RI to see 8bit had posted this 11 after 11 thread, which i thought was funny.

But then, when is 8bit ever not funny?



wait, this song is sort of depressing, here is a better 1 :



man, now my head is a jumble of numbers and months...

Ah! has any 1 mentioned the 11/12/01 thing where a plane fell out of the sky on Veterans Day yet?
that will get things back to:



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Yeah, you might say that show has an odd fixation with 9/11 jokes. But it's always about the "never forget" directive and never about people's suffering. He loves to play with numbers 7 dates and make weird associations with 9/11.

[IanEye]

Yeah, you might say that show has an odd fixation with 9/11 jokes. But it's always about the "never forget" directive and never about people's suffering. He loves to play with numbers 7 dates and make weird associations with 9/11.

yes, well i am sure 8bit would rather talk about highjackings in this thread than his thread being highjacked, so i will refer further talk of podcasts to here.

[8bitagent]

8-bit, you might be interested in this volume coming next week from Trineday:

[b]The Most Dangerous Book in the World: 9/11 as Mass Ritual[/b
by S.K. Bain foreword by Peter Levenda]

Bain’s book is Trineday’s latest declaration of independence from the mass hypnosis that has been directed at suffering humanity for so many years.
Like the murder of JFK, the “events of 9/11” were a gigantic hammer-blow to the American psyche, but the fallout from the second tragedy has also had immediate and catastrophic global consequences, and this was no accident.
In the confusing swamp of lies, half-truths, contradictions and wild speculation surrounding 9/11, it is our natural inclination to throw up our hands and close our eyes to an evil we simply do not want to believe in. For those who have the stomach for unflinching inquiry, The Most Dangerous Book in the World will take you deeper into this historical rabbit-hole than you ever thought you could go.
Maintaining a humorously cocked eye, Bain meticulously lays out an “occult script” for a satanic “mega-ritual” that was planned for decades, using age-old tools of mass mind control by terror, fine-tuned for the New World Order. Far from a fundamentalist conspiracy rant, the scenario is firmly grounded in serious knowledge of arcane practices, and the people, buildings and airplanes involved in 9/11, revealing a compelling tapestry of dark design scarier than anything Lord Sauron himself might have concocted – except it’s real. As the overlapping of dates, flight numbers, symbols, architecture, and personalities multiply, it becomes ever harder to shrug the evidence off as mere coincidence.
One need not believe in the existence of Satan and his evil minions to accept that ritual “magic” has been used to frighten and manipulate large groups of people many times for many purposes, including political and financial dominion. It is not even necessary that those who use these “powers” actually believe in the demons they symbolically unleash. The effect is what counts, and, as S.K. Bain shows us, it works like a charm.

http://www.trineday.com/paypal_store/pr ... index.html

Dude...wtf?

S.K. Bain is the former art director of The Weekly Standard magazine, where he worked with
William Kristol, Fred Barnes, David Brooks, Tucker Carlson and others for over five years.
During part of that time, the Project for the New American Century shared offices with the
publication, and next door was the Philanthropy Roundtable, where Bain art directed for
Philanthropy magazine. The Roundtable at that point was under the leadership of John P.
Walters, who went on to become President George W. Bush’s Drug Czar.
In the mid-nineties, Bain was art director for the Oxford American magazine when it
was published by John Grisham and located in Oxford, MS. In 2009, Bain helped author
portions of U.S. Public Law 111-11, which designated three new wilderness areas.

Not that I'll hold it against him.

I just got done reading the foreward/first 15 pages and table of contents. Rather surprised a book like this would come out, let alone by someone coming from a satiracal/scholarly position that seems to have a strong knowledge of the occult(and doesn't come from some David Icke or Christian Evangelical position)
Though, I wonder if this dude has seen my posts? From the end of chapter 1

Was the US government manipulated or "hijacked" by extremely sophisticated and powerful international actors? What if the above were true, but this wasn't even the half of it? What if the truth were even more disturbing?

I often would switch back between thinking the strong esoteric current that snakes and wraps around the 9/11 event was intentional or simply syncs. Mohammed Atta left a "will" or declaration of some sort in his belongings(that mysteriously didnt make the puddle jumper flight from Portland Maine) that ended with the word ROOM in big letters with snakes encoiling a sword.
"But what does it all mean?" - Pontypool.

The theory of a black hand in 9/11 is certainly an intriguing one, given the precise template of the symbolism/numerology/etc to ritual. Something perhaps above Cheney or bin Laden's paygrade or knowledge.

Tho Im just trying to stick to mainstream news article based facts that show a shadow side to the 9/11 yarn...lest I be accused of being too much of a weirdo:)

[thurnundtaxis]

Yeah, 8-bit, I'm kind of baffled by a work of this sort coming from a guy with a background like Mr. Bain's. At first it seems like a lark or an exercise in an extended symbolic metaphor. But apparently he's being rather literal. Either that or he's a deliberate CIA funded disinfo-spewing agent of W.O.O. I'm also intrigued that Peter Levenda would be writing an introduction to a book of this sort since in the past I thought he pretty much bought the straight story on 9/11.

Whatever the case, I 'm certainly glad that there's someone out there like Kris Milligan whose publishing house has been a vanguard purveyor of works which consistently deliver a very interesting and vital historical perspective for the 21st century.

[Elvis]

Good rundown on some of these loose ends, 8bit.
I could niggle over some points, but others I simply hadn't heard before, like #1:

1. The co-pilot of the downed Wellstone plane had hung around alleged "20th hijacker" Zacharius Moussoui in Oklahoma, even giving Moussoui software found on his laptop

Most interesting.

#5 is murky...

5. And while Heaven's Gate got kicked off with a call in by former protoge of an FBI/remote viewer, the top "Men Who Stare At Goats" guy Bert Rodriguez(played by Clooney in the film adaptation) trained 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah in 2001

...because, remember, there were "Two Ziad Jarrahs":
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21621&p=232080#p232080

By Paul Thompson
...
Ziad Jarrah is one of the best known of the 19 9/11 hijackers. What most people don’t know, however, is that there were actually two Ziad Jarrahs: the one raised in Lebanon and whose picture has been widely circulated by the FBI, and the one who actually flew on Flight 93. The evidence of two is undeniable, and amazingly, we even have pictures of the second Jarrah.

(There seemed to be two Attas as well, and who knows how many other doubles or stolen IDs.)


Here's another odd but intriguing one I hadn't heard:

8. One of the STRANGEST of all 9/11 facts: The avant garde performance art team "B Thing" who snuck into a higher floor room in the World Trade Center had a member that a year later was living with the very Israeli agents living next door to some of the hijackers. Another B Thing member lived near Hamas fundraising front Infocom in Dallas

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If I had heard of that hurricane that changed course right before the attacks, I'd forgotten all about it.

Wasn't it about 25 years ago the Pentagon said they hoped to "own the weather" in 25 years?

I don't think we can completely dismiss the idea that the US military has developed something like that level of control over weather events. (Not that anyone here has necessarily dismissed it, but I argue about this with my military-history PhD friend, who says there's no indication of it (yet).


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That academic conference in Toronto that 2012 Countdown posted about---now that's what I like to see.

While we're bound to chase our tails down false trails and dead ends, I don't think it's ever too late to pursue the facts of 9/11. But what the textbooks say about it 50 years from now depends on it.

[Nordic]

I mean if 9/11 is suppose to be an "inside job", why would it be shot down?

Please. You're smarter than that. By that time, the cat was out of the bag, the thing had a life of its own, somebody somewhere who actually wasn't in on the conspiracy knew that plane was heading for the capitol, or NY, and decided to shoot it down. At that point, Cheney, or whothefuckever couldn't AT THAT POINT say "no, don't shoot it down".

[elfismiles]

Exotic HAARP tech is not necessary to steer hurricanes...

Scientists a step closer to steering hurricanes
Tim Shipman / London Telegraph
Monday October 22, 2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... canes.html

Exclusive Video: The Father Of Weaponized Weather
Ben Livingston on how the US government has manipulated the environment for over four decades - Wednesday, February 2, 2011
SNEAK PEEK: Navy Veteran of Weather Modification Program Shares Declassified History of U.S. Gov’t Cloud Seeding & Hurricane Steering
http://www.infowars.com/the-father-of-w ... d-weather/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WZ6jqt8-38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Zk6CyNL9o

[2012 Countdown]

Just some personal typing of random outpourings in regard to the storm steering...

1. Thinking this fact possibly reveals more about THAT tech. and its actuality, and that it happened around 9/11 op... It exposes it -or we can think, 'wow, how fortunate and lucky for the planners!' It turned around on that day? On 9/11, as was said, everything in that area would have been grounded. Just another one of those coinkedinks.

2. All those 'exercises', war games, the ground exercises, etc. should have been cancelled w/the strom coming in, no?

3. Okay, say they cannot steer storms. (You can tell I am buying into they can, but would not persue this angle on this in making a case on inside job)...can you imagine?
Say they went ahead and pulled 9/11 anyway, then the next day, the strom rolls in. All that mayhem, and then a hurricane hits the aftermath?
Overload! The hurricane would have been too distracting, imo. The most effective op would want a 'clear pallette' to work with in terms of application and control of media narritive.

edit for 4...Perhaps the storm steering was some sort of 'demonstration' of power/control that was not meant for us slaves. Maybe that was like, as was mentioned about "Angel is next". It was meant as a demonstration to somebody that hey, we are in complete control and can do this too.

[8bitagent]

Yeah, you might say that show has an odd fixation with 9/11 jokes. But it's always about the "never forget" directive and never about people's suffering. He loves to play with numbers 7 dates and make weird associations with 9/11.

yes, well i am sure 8bit would rather talk about highjackings in this thread than his thread being highjacked, so i will refer further talk of podcasts to here.

Hijack away! I love discovering odd new podcasts.

I actually just want to hear a broad spectrum of anecdotes on how 9/11 affected people here, from an RI perspective. Dreams people had prior to the event, how they see the whole thing 11 years later. Heck the best 9/11 documentary I ever saw had nothing to do with theories, but was called "The Falling Man" from BBC